Gay teacher fired by Catholic school claims discrimination

Apr 23, 2013 Full story: World Magazine 1,746

Carla Hale, 59, a lesbian P.E. teacher, has filed a grievance against the diocese of the Ohio Catholic school where she worked for 19 years until administrators fired her for "violating moral law." According to The Columbus Dispatch , Hale's sexual orientation became public when an obituary for her late mother published Hale's name along with the ... (more)

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“Ludibrium est onus genio”

Since: Dec 11

Planet Earth

#1191 May 4, 2013

“Luke laughs at hypocrites!”

Since: Sep 10

Palm Springs, California

#1192 May 5, 2013
Frankie Rizzo wrote:
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Did you see what happened when I registered yesterday Fruitloops? How long did my registered profile "Old Swiftboater Bill" last tough guy?
About half an hour. Then banished! Disappeared like in some cheap third world gay banana republic. Like the last 5 times.
Don't bother to try and tell me I get banned because I violate TOS. So do you and you don't get banned. Some posters are more equal than others on Topix.
And the motto of my little story is, don't bother registering if you're not in the club. Registering is for sissies. If you have been registered a long time, you are a sissy! The end.
Hope that helped!
Get a clue tired one. First off you used a decent person's name, I should have caught the extra name tacked on. You have no idea how horrified I was when your vile trap snapped on me. I felt sick and foolish for falling for your nasty trick.

Second, your hatefulness became apparent to all and someone had the good sense to kick your ass off. I wish I had had you banned, but I have never done that, not to the most vile ones either.

NO one tries to ban ME, I don't think I have ever had a post complained about, and I can get pretty dicey at times, so I guess you just piss more people off than I do.

Maybe if you tried being more POLITE, you might not get into so much trouble.

“Luke laughs at hypocrites!”

Since: Sep 10

Palm Springs, California

#1193 May 5, 2013
Zoe wrote:
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You do not attend the church or the school, so MYOB!
It ain't above the law, honey. If someone committed a crime in your church, I guess the police wouldn't be allowed to enter, unless they were members of that parish, according to your...**"logic"**.

Against the law is against the law, "ZOE". Deal with it.
Hosanna Tabor Case says

New Albany, OH

#1194 May 5, 2013
Most commenters on the firing of Carla Hale, a teacher at Bishop Watterson High School, think the school had no right to terminate her contract, the freedom of religion guaranteed by the Constitution notwithstanding.

But the U.S. Supreme Court’s decision in the Hosanna-Tabor case in 2012 says otherwise.

According to the November 2012 issue of Christianity Today:“The Obama administration’s lawyers sought to deny church-run schools a longstanding exemption from anti-discrimination laws meant to safeguard religious schools’ freedom to hire and fire employees according to their faith-based criteria. The court delivered a stinging and unanimous rebuke, reaffirming the exemption.”

Those who believe the diocese erred in firing Hale are either uninformed or anti-Catholic, or both.
Dan

Omaha, NE

#1196 May 5, 2013
TonyD2 wrote:
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Nobody can prove that she did any such thing.
Sure they can.

Hale isn't making any denials on this, BTW.

Thanks.
Dan

Omaha, NE

#1197 May 5, 2013
TonyD2 wrote:
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Firing someone because of their sexual orientation.
That's not why she got fired.

Gay people, just like straights, can get fired for violating the terms of their employment contracts. That's what happened to Hale.
Frankie Rizzo

Union City, CA

#1198 May 5, 2013
Curteese wrote:
<quoted text>Get a clue tired one. First off you used a decent person's name, I should have caught the extra name tacked on. You have no idea how horrified I was when your vile trap snapped on me. I felt sick and foolish for falling for your nasty trick.
Second, your hatefulness became apparent to all and someone had the good sense to kick your ass off. I wish I had had you banned, but I have never done that, not to the most vile ones either.
NO one tries to ban ME, I don't think I have ever had a post complained about, and I can get pretty dicey at times, so I guess you just piss more people off than I do.
Maybe if you tried being more POLITE, you might not get into so much trouble.
But you see fruitcake, Bill posted using my name and a picture of a tombstone with my name on it. Of course that is just fine with you. A death threat, HA HA! So funny!

But it's not OK for me to turn it around and poke a little fun at him. See how you are?

Yeah yeah, the old "Well if you thought correctly like me you wouldn't get banned".

Be polite like you? You're not polite, your mean and nasty.

You will just have to deal with me unregistered sweetheart, how do you like it so far?

“Don't trust the internet!”

Since: Jan 12

Location hidden

#1199 May 5, 2013
Hosanna Tabor Case says wrote:
Most commenters on the firing of Carla Hale, a teacher at Bishop Watterson High School, think the school had no right to terminate her contract, the freedom of religion guaranteed by the Constitution notwithstanding.
But the U.S. Supreme Court’s decision in the Hosanna-Tabor case in 2012 says otherwise.
According to the November 2012 issue of Christianity Today:“The Obama administration’s lawyers sought to deny church-run schools a longstanding exemption from anti-discrimination laws meant to safeguard religious schools’ freedom to hire and fire employees according to their faith-based criteria. The court delivered a stinging and unanimous rebuke, reaffirming the exemption.”
Those who believe the diocese erred in firing Hale are either uninformed or anti-Catholic, or both.
The Dispatch has an article today looking at how Hannah-Tabor might apply.

“Ludibrium est onus genio”

Since: Dec 11

Planet Earth

#1200 May 5, 2013
Dan wrote:
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That's not why she got fired.
Gay people, just like straights, can get fired for violating the terms of their employment contracts. That's what happened to Hale.
Contracts containing illegal provisions are not enforceable as to those illegal provisions.

Uve

Since: Nov 12

Location hidden

#1201 May 5, 2013
Frankie Rizzo wrote:
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At least Obama hasn't whined that he inherited a bad economy since his second term began!
It's getting pretty late to blame Bush. Even Obama gave up that loser talk. You should too.
That's because the economy wasn't a bad as his first term (no thank you Bush) Talking of lame..Why do you think Bush has been busy with his crayons instead of making public appearances? Because there's still a lot to blame him for...Don't get me wrong, Obama has been a disappointment. He's made too many concessions to the Republican't party already and that POS corporate butt boy John Boehner.

Uve

Since: Nov 12

Location hidden

#1202 May 5, 2013
Frankie Rizzo wrote:
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But your warning for me to "watch out!" implies that I could suddenly become gay!
So what is it? Should you watch out you don't catch gay or are you as Lady Ga Ga so eloquently puts it "Born this way"?
Such questions!...You've been spouting off all the arrogant answers and calling people 'fruitcakes', moron..Could you actually be starting to question your bigoted views?

“Don't trust the internet!”

Since: Jan 12

Location hidden

#1203 May 5, 2013
TonyD2 wrote:
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Contracts containing illegal provisions are not enforceable as to those illegal provisions.
Absolutely.

However, there is a ministerial exemption to protect deeply-held beliefs of churches.

Hannah-Tabor extended the line on the exemption. But nowhere near far enough to support the church in this case. In fact it looks to me like it will hurt because it established criteria more helpful to Hale.

Uve

Since: Nov 12

Location hidden

#1204 May 5, 2013
Dan wrote:
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That's not why she got fired.
Gay people, just like straights, can get fired for violating the terms of their employment contracts. That's what happened to Hale.
Yea, but I don't see any 'straights' getting ratted out for having a 'partner' listed in a funeral notice..Only a 'God loving' Catholic could do something as despicable as that.
Frankie Rizzo

Union City, CA

#1205 May 5, 2013
Uve wrote:
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That's because the economy wasn't a bad as his first term (no thank you Bush) Talking of lame..Why do you think Bush has been busy with his crayons instead of making public appearances? Because there's still a lot to blame him for...Don't get me wrong, Obama has been a disappointment. He's made too many concessions to the Republican't party already and that POS corporate butt boy John Boehner.
Look at the Middle East before and after Obama.

Obama warned Syria if they used chemical weapons it would be "a game changer" Well they used them. And the game didn't change. This is weakness and the world knows it.

We are becoming more hated by the world. Now Latin America is out in the streets demonstrating against us too.

Campaign promises all broken. Promises of transparency end up being the most secretive administration in a long time.

Yes we can! But won't. And didn't. But it's all Bush's fault.
Frankie Rizzo

Union City, CA

#1206 May 5, 2013
Uve wrote:
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Such questions!...You've been spouting off all the arrogant answers and calling people 'fruitcakes', moron..Could you actually be starting to question your bigoted views?
My bigoted views? I love you guys (not sexually!) and want only the best for you, lighten up swizzlestick.
Frankie Rizzo

Union City, CA

#1207 May 5, 2013
Uve wrote:
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Yea, but I don't see any 'straights' getting ratted out for having a 'partner' listed in a funeral notice..Only a 'God loving' Catholic could do something as despicable as that.
Naah. Nasty people come in all flavors, even gay! Ease up on the bigotry Spiceboy.

“Ludibrium est onus genio”

Since: Dec 11

Planet Earth

#1208 May 5, 2013
FKA Reader wrote:
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Absolutely.
However, there is a ministerial exemption to protect deeply-held beliefs of churches.
I don't think those exemptions cover illegal acts. What if, for an extreme example, they started stoning adulterers to death?
imagine2011

Southaven, MS

#1209 May 5, 2013
Hosanna Tabor Case says wrote:
Most commenters on the firing of Carla Hale, a teacher at Bishop Watterson High School, think the school had no right to terminate her contract, the freedom of religion guaranteed by the Constitution notwithstanding.
But the U.S. Supreme Court’s decision in the Hosanna-Tabor case in 2012 says otherwise.
According to the November 2012 issue of Christianity Today:“The Obama administration’s lawyers sought to deny church-run schools a longstanding exemption from anti-discrimination laws meant to safeguard religious schools’ freedom to hire and fire employees according to their faith-based criteria. The court delivered a stinging and unanimous rebuke, reaffirming the exemption.”
Those who believe the diocese erred in firing Hale are either uninformed or anti-Catholic, or both.
The spirit of "Anti-Christian" freedoms in the Obama administration and the "Pro-Gay" spirit or just the "fear of Gay Bullying Agenda" is so apparent.

The hatred of Christians by Gays is so obvious that their gay agenda is to silence or better yet, "crush" any Christian views and freedoms. They actually assume their gay views will not continue to be exposed as such shameful, so unnatural, disease ridden, extremely weird and gross behavior to the rest of the world..."IF" and only "IF" they crush the Christians words... the "bullhorn of the truth". The only problem with this gay agenda is that....it will not and "Cannot" ever silence anyone...(sorry). Christian or not, many straight people will always feel this way and eventually stand up to your bullying.
Frankie Rizzo

Union City, CA

#1211 May 5, 2013
Curteese wrote:
<quoted text>Blow me, polite enough for ya?
You see, you say hateful rude stuff like that all the time and don't get banned. I say "shut yer pie hole" and get banned. Disappeared for forbidden speech! Like in some cheesy third world gay banana republic.
Concerned parent

Upper Sandusky, OH

#1212 May 5, 2013
TonyD2 wrote:
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Their rights do not supersede those of the people they choose to interact with. If they don't want to follow society's rules, they should build compounds with 60 foot walls and lock themselves inside.
She LIED when she first interviewed for the position. Love how that's overlooked too! When u own the joint, you CAN make your own rules as long as it's not illegal. If you don't like the rules at the time of hire, go elsewhere. But no, she gets away with her lie for 19 yrs and once she gets caught, she bitches and moans along with every gay person out there. Get over it. Her lie caught up with her.... Period.....Game over!

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