Gay teacher fired by Catholic school claims discrimination

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Carla Hale, 59, a lesbian P.E. teacher, has filed a grievance against the diocese of the Ohio Catholic school where she worked for 19 years until administrators fired her for "violating moral law." According to The Columbus Dispatch , Hale's sexual orientation became public when an obituary for her late mother published Hale's name along with the ... (more)

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“Post-religious”

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#928 Apr 29, 2013
-Clayton Bigsby wrote:
<quoted text>How many adults trumpet their use of birth control to the world?


The ones with few children.

And is this really a fair comparison? Carla Hale's inclusion of the first name of her partner in her mother's obit is "trumpeting"?
-Clayton Bigsby wrote:
And are you aware of the definition of divorce (or marriage for that matter) as it pertains to Catholics?
Yes, according to the church, divorce is a plague on society.

The Catechism of the Catholic Church Defines Divorce

Divorce is a grave offense against the natural law. It claims to break the contract, to which the spouses freely consented, to live with each other until death. Sacramental marriage is the sign of the covenant of salvation, to which divorce does incredible injury. Contracting a new union, even if it is recognized by civil law, adds to the gravity of the rupture: the remarried spouse is then in a situation of public and permanent adultery. If a husband, separated from his wife, becomes involved with another woman, he is an adulterer because he makes that woman commit adultery; and the woman who lives with him is an adulteress, because she has drawn another's husband to herself.

Furthermore, the Catechism states that divorce is immoral because “it introduces disorder into the family and into society. This disorder brings grave harm to the deserted spouse, to children traumatized by the separation of their parents and often torn between them, and because of its contagious effect which makes it truly a plague on society.

http://www.vatican.va/archive/ENG0015/_P87.HT...

But we'll just ignore that and go after Carla Hale. She's an easy target, especially since her mother just died.

Nice religion.

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#929 Apr 29, 2013
-Clayton Bigsby wrote:
<quoted text>How do you know it isn't?
If we go by the interpretation that simpletons use everyday, including some on this thread, then we need to abolish law, law enforcement and the judiciary.
Really?

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#930 Apr 29, 2013
Jerald wrote:
<quoted text>
The ones with few children.
And is this really a fair comparison? Carla Hale's inclusion of the first name of her partner in her mother's obit is "trumpeting"?
<quoted text>
I can think of a lot of reasons for people to have few children. Infertility, an inability to carry to term, to use of natural birth control, which is permissible.
Jerald wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes, according to the church, divorce is a plague on society.
The Catechism of the Catholic Church Defines Divorce
Divorce is a grave offense against the natural law. It claims to break the contract, to which the spouses freely consented, to live with each other until death. Sacramental marriage is the sign of the covenant of salvation, to which divorce does incredible injury. Contracting a new union, even if it is recognized by civil law, adds to the gravity of the rupture: the remarried spouse is then in a situation of public and permanent adultery. If a husband, separated from his wife, becomes involved with another woman, he is an adulterer because he makes that woman commit adultery; and the woman who lives with him is an adulteress, because she has drawn another's husband to herself.
Furthermore, the Catechism states that divorce is immoral because “it introduces disorder into the family and into society. This disorder brings grave harm to the deserted spouse, to children traumatized by the separation of their parents and often torn between them, and because of its contagious effect which makes it truly a plague on society.
http://www.vatican.va/archive/ENG0015/_P87.HT...
But we'll just ignore that and go after Carla Hale. She's an easy target, especially since her mother just died.
Nice religion.
Divorce is being described as wrong, the act. The person is not condemned, and the Church does not excommunicate or punish anyone who is divorced. A divorced Catholic remains in the church and is not considered to have done anything wrong UNTIL and UNLESS he or she re-marries without annulment (a process that is beyond the civil divorce). Got it?

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#931 Apr 29, 2013
gokeefe wrote:
<quoted text>
I can think of a lot of reasons for people to have few children. Infertility, an inability to carry to term, to use of natural birth control, which is permissible.
You're absolutely right. This is none of the school's business. So is the sexual orientation of one of their employees.
gokeefe wrote:
Divorce is being described as wrong, the act. The person is not condemned, and the Church does not excommunicate or punish anyone who is divorced. A divorced Catholic remains in the church and is not considered to have done anything wrong UNTIL and UNLESS he or she re-marries without annulment (a process that is beyond the civil divorce). Got it?
Sure. I have no problem with divorced people. I wouldn't fire someone simply because they are divorced.

I also have no problem with gay people. I wouldn't fire someone simply because they are gay. I wouldn't fire someone simply because they listed the apparent name of a same-sex partner in their mother's obituary, either.

Only people who believe in irrational bronze age myths would do such a thing.

Since: Apr 13

Hilliard, OH

#932 Apr 29, 2013
Jerald wrote:
<quoted text>
The ones with few children.
And is this really a fair comparison? Carla Hale's inclusion of the first name of her partner in her mother's obit is "trumpeting"?
<quoted text>
Yes, according to the church, divorce is a plague on society.
The Catechism of the Catholic Church Defines Divorce
Divorce is a grave offense against the natural law. It claims to break the contract, to which the spouses freely consented, to live with each other until death. Sacramental marriage is the sign of the covenant of salvation, to which divorce does incredible injury. Contracting a new union, even if it is recognized by civil law, adds to the gravity of the rupture: the remarried spouse is then in a situation of public and permanent adultery. If a husband, separated from his wife, becomes involved with another woman, he is an adulterer because he makes that woman commit adultery; and the woman who lives with him is an adulteress, because she has drawn another's husband to herself.
Furthermore, the Catechism states that divorce is immoral because “it introduces disorder into the family and into society. This disorder brings grave harm to the deserted spouse, to children traumatized by the separation of their parents and often torn between them, and because of its contagious effect which makes it truly a plague on society.
http://www.vatican.va/archive/ENG0015/_P87.HT...
But we'll just ignore that and go after Carla Hale. She's an easy target, especially since her mother just died.
Nice religion.
Yes, it is.
You're speaking to a man who was granted an annulment by the Church.

Since: Apr 13

Hilliard, OH

#933 Apr 29, 2013
snyper wrote:
<quoted text>
Really?
Yes, really.

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#934 Apr 29, 2013
Jerald wrote:
<quoted text>
You're absolutely right. This is none of the school's business. So is the sexual orientation of one of their employees.
<quoted text>
Sure. I have no problem with divorced people. I wouldn't fire someone simply because they are divorced.
I also have no problem with gay people. I wouldn't fire someone simply because they are gay. I wouldn't fire someone simply because they listed the apparent name of a same-sex partner in their mother's obituary, either.
Only people who believe in irrational bronze age myths would do such a thing.
Well, a few thoughts.

1) The issue has nothing to do with divorce.

2) The issue IMHO is one that breaches the divide between church and state. This issue is one of doctrine within the RCC. The RCC does not teach that homosexuality is wrong. It teaches that the act of sexual relations between two people of the same sex is wrong.

Now, we can argue that until the cows come home. It's in the hands of the courts. However, the courts have not yet intervened when it was a matter of religious doctrine.

Since: Apr 13

Hilliard, OH

#935 Apr 29, 2013
Jerald wrote:
<quoted text>
You're absolutely right. This is none of the school's business. So is the sexual orientation of one of their employees.
<quoted text>
Sure. I have no problem with divorced people. I wouldn't fire someone simply because they are divorced.
I also have no problem with gay people. I wouldn't fire someone simply because they are gay. I wouldn't fire someone simply because they listed the apparent name of a same-sex partner in their mother's obituary, either.
Only people who believe in irrational bronze age myths would do such a thing.
It was the late IRON AGE and AXIAL AGE, moron.
How can you be taken seriously when you don't know basic history?
Zoe

Circleville, OH

#936 Apr 29, 2013
Jerald wrote:
<quoted text>
What you stated was that she breached a provision of her contract. I challenged you to cite the exact provision of the contract that she violated. You failed to do so.
Does her contract forbid her from being in a same-sex relationship? Or rather, isn't it true that the only provision she "violated" was a vague and conveniently amorphous "morals" clause, one that can be shaped to whatever circumstances the bishop cares to enforce?
I wonder how many divorced employees have been fired from positions in that parish? Or employees who use birth control?
<quoted text>
Actually, the evidence suggests that the kids and parents at Bishop Watterson High School love her. It's the hypocrites in the church leadership who have an unhealthy obsession with her private life.
The only "parent" who objected couldn't even sign her name. She's as gutless as the church is hypocritical.
If they don't like it, they can simply leave and join the Columbus Public Schools or homeschool. Good Grief!

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#937 Apr 29, 2013
-Clayton Bigsby wrote:
<quoted text>Yes, it is.
You're speaking to a man who was granted an annulment by the Church.
Congratulations. You must be so proud.
Zoe

Circleville, OH

#938 Apr 29, 2013
Jerald wrote:
<quoted text>
The ones with few children.
And is this really a fair comparison? Carla Hale's inclusion of the first name of her partner in her mother's obit is "trumpeting"?
<quoted text>
Yes, according to the church, divorce is a plague on society.
The Catechism of the Catholic Church Defines Divorce
Divorce is a grave offense against the natural law. It claims to break the contract, to which the spouses freely consented, to live with each other until death. Sacramental marriage is the sign of the covenant of salvation, to which divorce does incredible injury. Contracting a new union, even if it is recognized by civil law, adds to the gravity of the rupture: the remarried spouse is then in a situation of public and permanent adultery. If a husband, separated from his wife, becomes involved with another woman, he is an adulterer because he makes that woman commit adultery; and the woman who lives with him is an adulteress, because she has drawn another's husband to herself.
Furthermore, the Catechism states that divorce is immoral because “it introduces disorder into the family and into society. This disorder brings grave harm to the deserted spouse, to children traumatized by the separation of their parents and often torn between them, and because of its contagious effect which makes it truly a plague on society.
http://www.vatican.va/archive/ENG0015/_P87.HT...
But we'll just ignore that and go after Carla Hale. She's an easy target, especially since her mother just died.
Nice religion.
Well, don't go there if you don't like it. Although, an exorcism might be in order!

Since: Apr 13

Hilliard, OH

#941 Apr 29, 2013
Jerald wrote:
<quoted text>
Congratulations. You must be so proud.
I am. It's called "Keeping the Faith."
Zoe

Circleville, OH

#942 Apr 29, 2013
Jerald wrote:
<quoted text>
The issue has to do with hypocrisy, among other concerns. Church leaders have an irrational fear and/or animus towards gay people, so much so that they'll fire a gay person at the drop of a hat. Betcha that same knee-jerk reaction isn't applied evenly across the board to others who engage in alleged immoralities.
<quoted text>
BTW, I support the right of the church to be stupid.
But to be safe, they should not hire non-Catholics, and they should only hire people who have undergone specific ministerial training. That way, when the courts evaluate their claim that they are using the ministerial exception to anti-discrimination laws, they'll be on better legal footing.
My point is that they're a bunch of lying hypocrites and that rational people should leave the church.
http://youtu.be/D1PH_Y8Xn4g

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#943 Apr 29, 2013
Jerald wrote:
<quoted text>
The issue has to do with hypocrisy, among other concerns. Church leaders have an irrational fear and/or animus towards gay people, so much so that they'll fire a gay person at the drop of a hat. Betcha that same knee-jerk reaction isn't applied evenly across the board to others who engage in alleged immoralities.
<quoted text>
BTW, I support the right of the church to be stupid.
But to be safe, they should not hire non-Catholics, and they should only hire people who have undergone specific ministerial training. That way, when the courts evaluate their claim that they are using the ministerial exception to anti-discrimination laws, they'll be on better legal footing.
My point is that they're a bunch of lying hypocrites and that rational people should leave the church.
Drop of a hat? She was employed by Watterson for 19 years.

Pay attention to the details. The violation was against the city of Columbus' law which has NO religious clause, therefore my opine is it will be challenged.

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#944 Apr 29, 2013
-Clayton Bigsby wrote:
<quoted text>I am. It's called "Keeping the Faith."
More like "Maintaining the Delusion." Congratulations.

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Hilliard, OH

#946 Apr 29, 2013
Jerald wrote:
<quoted text>
More like "Maintaining the Delusion." Congratulations.
I believe you're describing homosexuality.

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#947 Apr 29, 2013
-Clayton Bigsby wrote:
<quoted text>I believe you're describing homosexuality.
It's clear that you believe a whole host of irrational things. Thanks for adding another to the list!

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#948 Apr 29, 2013
Jerald wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes, "drop of a hat."
Pay attention to the details. They didn't know anything about her personal life for 19 years.
Wow. First you know what goes on in Ms. Hale's bedroom, now you know what someone else didn't know... you should change your name to Carnac.

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#949 Apr 29, 2013
FKAdukechereader wrote:
Dear Elton,
Please call off the mafia and let this thread die.
Arggggggggggggghhhhhhhhh
Put it in my bucket!

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#951 Apr 29, 2013
Jerald wrote:
<quoted text>
Feel free to cite any post in which I claimed to know what was going on in her bedroom.
I misread the message and made an incorrect assumption. I apologize.

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