Gay teacher fired by Catholic school claims discrimination

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Carla Hale, 59, a lesbian P.E. teacher, has filed a grievance against the diocese of the Ohio Catholic school where she worked for 19 years until administrators fired her for "violating moral law." According to The Columbus Dispatch , Hale's sexual orientation became public when an obituary for her late mother published Hale's name along with the ... (more)

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Since: Apr 13

Hilliard, OH

#66 Apr 24, 2013
Curteese wrote:
<quoted text>You're right. Catholic schools pay CRAP wages next to REAL school districts. I hope she can get a better pay check at one of those.
Catholic education is considered a vocation as well as a career. The word you're looking for is sacrifice. Thing it doesn't pay enough? Nobody's forcing you to take the job. Pretty funny though how Catholic schools produce results that usually blow public schools out of the water.

DNF

“Religious Freedom to Marry”

Since: Apr 07

Newark OH / Baltimore MD

#67 Apr 24, 2013
Oliver Canterberry wrote:
Liberals just don't get it.
This woman clearly violated the terms of her employment contract in a fundamentally dishonest manner.
Christian Schools have a right to ensure that their employees do not dishonor the basic tenants of their faith and parents of students have the same rights.
When you break your contract you get fired.
And just like the florist in Washington, if a group violates civil law they should be prosecuted by the State.

I hope the city of Columbus files charges. It's their civic and moral duty to do so.

BTW care to comment on the predicament the Catholic Church is facing as they try to reconcile this behavior with the Biblical Command to obey civil authorities and laws?

http://www.tektonics.org/lp/obeylaw.html

1 Peter 2:13 "Submit yourself to every ordinance of man ... to the king, as supreme; Or unto governors."

Matthew 22:21 "Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's." See also Romans 13:1,7 and Titus 3:1. The Bible quite often tells us to respect and obey the laws of men. So what, say the critics, about this:

Acts 5:29 "We ought to obey God rather then men."

“animis opibusque parati”

Since: Oct 12

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#68 Apr 24, 2013
DNF wrote:
<quoted text>And just like the florist in Washington, if a group violates civil law they should be prosecuted by the State.
I hope the city of Columbus files charges. It's their civic and moral duty to do so.
BTW care to comment on the predicament the Catholic Church is facing as they try to reconcile this behavior with the Biblical Command to obey civil authorities and laws?
http://www.tektonics.org/lp/obeylaw.html
1 Peter 2:13 "Submit yourself to every ordinance of man ... to the king, as supreme; Or unto governors."
Matthew 22:21 "Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's." See also Romans 13:1,7 and Titus 3:1. The Bible quite often tells us to respect and obey the laws of men. So what, say the critics, about this:
Acts 5:29 "We ought to obey God rather then men."
Care to reconcile any of what you have stated with the U.S. Constitution?

Since: Apr 13

Hilliard, OH

#69 Apr 24, 2013
DNF wrote:
<quoted text>And just like the florist in Washington, if a group violates civil law they should be prosecuted by the State.
I hope the city of Columbus files charges. It's their civic and moral duty to do so.
BTW care to comment on the predicament the Catholic Church is facing as they try to reconcile this behavior with the Biblical Command to obey civil authorities and laws?
http://www.tektonics.org/lp/obeylaw.html
1 Peter 2:13 "Submit yourself to every ordinance of man ... to the king, as supreme; Or unto governors."
Matthew 22:21 "Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's." See also Romans 13:1,7 and Titus 3:1. The Bible quite often tells us to respect and obey the laws of men. So what, say the critics, about this:
Acts 5:29 "We ought to obey God rather then men."
The law is unconstitutional for not including a religious exemption. As I said before, I DARE the city to prosecute. Watching Coleman and his slimy minions go down in flames would be worth every penny.

Since: Apr 13

Hilliard, OH

#71 Apr 24, 2013
DNF wrote:
<quoted text>Using your logic, people who list their brothers and sisters in their Mom's obituary are admitting to incest.
When you grow up and learn critical thinking, get back to us.

“animis opibusque parati”

Since: Oct 12

Location hidden

#72 Apr 24, 2013
DNF wrote:
<quoted text>Using your logic, people who list their brothers and sisters in their Mom's obituary are admitting to incest.
Get a grip!
I'm only halfway through the first page of posts and all I've seen are the typical troll comments about morals and contracts.
Not a single person has pointed out Carla Hale's excellent employment record of 19 years. And a lesbian gym teacher at that!
19 years and no molestations yet she gets canned for including family members in her Mom's obituary?
I hope all of you who support this will do the same when an anti-gay teacher gets fired for what they post on Facebook.
Oh wait, you people don't believe in "what's good for the goose is good for the gander" (equal treatment). Instead you always want special rights because of your religion.
I'm glad you're on Carla's side.

DNF

“Religious Freedom to Marry”

Since: Apr 07

Newark OH / Baltimore MD

#73 Apr 24, 2013
-Clayton Bigsby wrote:
<quoted text>People like you will never shake nor deter the faithful. At 63, you'd be wise to contemplate your own mortality and your attitude of hate.
Practice what you preach instead of just preaching.

But I'm glad you made the comment above since it's something I've been trying to point out for a long time.

If people truly have faith, then none of this should worry them. They'd be happy with their lives instead of complaining.
The argument that Same Sex marriage threatens any other definition of marriage comes to mind.

As Sen. Kelvin Atkinson, D-North Las Vegas, said when he publicly declared for the first time that he is gay.
"If this hurts your marriage, then your marriage was in trouble in the first place," he said."

DNF

“Religious Freedom to Marry”

Since: Apr 07

Newark OH / Baltimore MD

#74 Apr 24, 2013
-Clayton Bigsby wrote:
<quoted text>Have you ever heard the phrase, "throwing the baby out with the bath water"?
Here's a newsflash, Bruce...avoid the second collection and you'll avoid paying for things like lawsuits for the most part.
Yup cause the insurance premiums that cover the lawsuits are paid by the annual Bishop's fund drive!

DNF

“Religious Freedom to Marry”

Since: Apr 07

Newark OH / Baltimore MD

#75 Apr 24, 2013
-Clayton Bigsby wrote:
<quoted text>I'd say it's a hell of a lot better than any lesser number. I'd also say that most Catholics have never come into contact with an offending priest. I'm pretty sure I haven't. My wife says the same thing and we grew up 1100 miles apart.
Which is exactly how the problem stayed hidden in Baltimore for over 90 years!
Che Reagan Christ

Lodi, OH

#76 Apr 24, 2013
-Clayton Bigsby wrote:
<quoted text>The law is unconstitutional for not including a religious exemption. As I said before, I DARE the city to prosecute. Watching Coleman and his slimy minions go down in flames would be worth every penny.
But do you double dog DARE them?

“animis opibusque parati”

Since: Oct 12

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#77 Apr 24, 2013
DNF wrote:
<quoted text>Practice what you preach instead of just preaching.
But I'm glad you made the comment above since it's something I've been trying to point out for a long time.
If people truly have faith, then none of this should worry them. They'd be happy with their lives instead of complaining.
The argument that Same Sex marriage threatens any other definition of marriage comes to mind.
As Sen. Kelvin Atkinson, D-North Las Vegas, said when he publicly declared for the first time that he is gay.
"If this hurts your marriage, then your marriage was in trouble in the first place," he said."
Faith demands obedience to God.
God declares homosexual behavior to be an abomination.

Since: Apr 13

Hilliard, OH

#78 Apr 24, 2013
DNF wrote:
<quoted text>Yup cause the insurance premiums that cover the lawsuits are paid by the annual Bishop's fund drive!
In Boston,it was called the Cardinal's Stewardship Appeal.
My parents taught me to avoid the second collection.

Since: Apr 13

Hilliard, OH

#79 Apr 24, 2013
DNF wrote:
<quoted text>Practice what you preach instead of just preaching.
But I'm glad you made the comment above since it's something I've been trying to point out for a long time.
If people truly have faith, then none of this should worry them. They'd be happy with their lives instead of complaining.
The argument that Same Sex marriage threatens any other definition of marriage comes to mind.
As Sen. Kelvin Atkinson, D-North Las Vegas, said when he publicly declared for the first time that he is gay.
"If this hurts your marriage, then your marriage was in trouble in the first place," he said."
There's no hate involved on my part, but naturally you people call following the rules, "hate."

DNF

“Religious Freedom to Marry”

Since: Apr 07

Newark OH / Baltimore MD

#80 Apr 24, 2013
TonyD2 wrote:
<quoted text>
You mean the two percent who've been CAUGHT...
I'm glad I'm not the only one that sees the irony here.

We have a good man defending an organization that ADMITS it abused it's moral authority with children for nearly a century. We have that organization then claiming it's actions IN FIRING AN INNOCENT PERSON are based on it's "moral principles".

I'm not Catholic, but I do know enough about the Church and the Bible to recall Jesus forgiving the woman accused of adultery (Let he who is without sin cast the first stone).

DNF

“Religious Freedom to Marry”

Since: Apr 07

Newark OH / Baltimore MD

#81 Apr 24, 2013
-Clayton Bigsby wrote:
<quoted text>No, the two percent estimated by most experts, including insurance companies.
Insurance companies, child advocacy groups and religion scholars say there is no evidence that Catholic clergy are more likely to be involved in sexual misconduct than other clergy or professionals.
“There is no plausible evidence that Catholic priests are gangs of sexual predators, as they are being portrayed,” said Pennsylvania State University Prof. Philip Jenkins, eminent religion and history scholar, and a non-Catholic who’s studied the church’s abuse problems for 20 years.
http://blogs.denverpost.com/hark/2010/05/25/s...
Why do we largely overlook the horrific pattern of Protestant pedophilia and sexual exploitation? Here are a few factors to consider:
--- The Catholic Church is easier to think of as a monolithic entity. That means it is easier for the press to cohere the abuse incidents into a single story and our brains to grok it. The idea of one big conspiracy appeals to us: "The Church" did it and then covered it up.
--- The centralized hierarchy of Catholicism makes Catholic offenders easier to sue and guarantees deep pockets. The lawsuits in turn both generate their own news cycle and bring victims out of the closet.
--- Since most Americans are Protestants, the Catholic sex abuse scandal is a story about "them." Protestant Pedophilia is a story about "us," which makes it less gratifying and more uncomfortable.
--- Most Americans find the idea of celibacy peculiar at best. It makes for a more interesting narrative than a generic story about abuse of authority.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/valerie-tarico/...
Hey you are very fortunate to be able to to feel comfortable belonging to a Church that buys child rape insurance.

I could never do that myself. The moral perversity of it just sickens me too much.

DNF

“Religious Freedom to Marry”

Since: Apr 07

Newark OH / Baltimore MD

#82 Apr 24, 2013
-tip- wrote:
<quoted text>
Agree. The ignorant folks are simply parroting the media-created false stereotype.
What's interesting is that these sheep are the very folks who wouldn't otherwise consider insulting homosexuals.
Hey you are very fortunate to be able to to feel comfortable belonging to a Church that buys child rape insurance.

I could never do that myself. The moral perversity of it just sickens me too much.

“animis opibusque parati”

Since: Oct 12

Location hidden

#83 Apr 24, 2013
DNF wrote:
<quoted text>I'm glad I'm not the only one that sees the irony here.
We have a good man defending an organization that ADMITS it abused it's moral authority with children for nearly a century. We have that organization then claiming it's actions IN FIRING AN INNOCENT PERSON are based on it's "moral principles".
I'm not Catholic, but I do know enough about the Church and the Bible to recall Jesus forgiving the woman accused of adultery (Let he who is without sin cast the first stone).
Ms. Hale has no intention of repenting.

DNF

“Religious Freedom to Marry”

Since: Apr 07

Newark OH / Baltimore MD

#84 Apr 24, 2013
-Clayton Bigsby wrote:
<quoted text>That's called EVIDENCE and REBUTTAL, wee man. When you grow up to be Harvey Milk, you might understand.
If you ever watch "The Times of Harvey Milk" he mentions me near the end.

DNF

“Religious Freedom to Marry”

Since: Apr 07

Newark OH / Baltimore MD

#85 Apr 24, 2013
-Clayton Bigsby wrote:
<quoted text>Look what crawled out of the bathhouse...Topix's resident cream puff.
That was unkind of you and shows how low you'll stoop to defend your already shaky position.

This is why I love Topix so much. I can always count on the people shouting about character and morals the loudest to drop them in a New York minute.

Since: Apr 13

Hilliard, OH

#86 Apr 24, 2013
DNF wrote:
<quoted text>Hey you are very fortunate to be able to to feel comfortable belonging to a Church that buys child rape insurance.
I could never do that myself. The moral perversity of it just sickens me too much.
You aren't too bright, are you?

Insurers have been assessing the risks since they began offering riders on liability policies in the 1980s. Two of the largest insurers report no higher risks in covering Catholic churches than Protestant denominations.

Wisconsin-based Church Mutual Insurance Co. has 100,000 client churches and has seen a steady filing of about five sexual molestation cases a week for more than a decade, even though its client base has grown.

“It would be incorrect to call it a Catholic problem,” said Church Mutual’s risk control manager, Rick Schaber.“We do not see one denomination above another. It’s equal. It’s also equal among large metropolitan churches and small rural churches.”

Iowa-based Guide One Center for Risk Management, which insures more than 40,000 congregations, also said Catholic churches are not considered a greater risk or charged higher premiums.

“Our claims experience shows this happens evenly across denominations,” said spokeswoman Melanie Stonewall.
http://blogs.denverpost.com/hark/2010/05/25/s...

Public school districts carry the same insurance.
Wake up, then grow up.

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