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Gay teacher fired by Catholic school claims discrimination

There are 1746 comments on the World Magazine story from Apr 23, 2013, titled Gay teacher fired by Catholic school claims discrimination. In it, World Magazine reports that:

Carla Hale, 59, a lesbian P.E. teacher, has filed a grievance against the diocese of the Ohio Catholic school where she worked for 19 years until administrators fired her for "violating moral law." According to The Columbus Dispatch , Hale's sexual orientation became public when an obituary for her late mother published Hale's name along with the ... (more)

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DNF

“Judge less, Love more”

Since: Apr 07

Born in Newark Ohio

#800 Apr 27, 2013
gokeefe wrote:
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None of my responses were biblically based.
This isn't about whether or not Carla Hale deserved anything. This is about 1) whether or not the firing was justified based on a contract she wrote and 2) whether or not the City of Columbus' law is enforceable. How is Carla Hale's freedom "trampled" when 1) she willingly signed a contract indicating her agreement to the terms therein and 2) contract: an agreement signed by TWO parties that indicates each agrees to the specific terms spelled within and spells out that it can be terminated?
Emotionally fueled ranting isn't productive.
Fine. Now that you have defined what YOU THINK this is about may I be allowed to express my opinion without ad hominum attacks from you? If so I agree to the same terms.

MY VIEWPOINT:
-Carla listed someone who her own mother thought of as family in the obit. As someone who has been in that situation many times, I can assure you that the Catholics I know discuss this stuff with family, friends and people from church.

-The RCC stance on homosexuality is that BEING gay or lesbian isn't immoral.

-The RCC even has rites that is has in the past, used to bless same sex unions (true they are no longer in fashion, BUT THEY ARE STILL part of Church law.)

-Since the only real grounds the Church is standing on is the ASSUMPTION that because she is in a long term relationship means she is having same sex relations ignores the fact that many Catholic couples n longer have sex.

-Since the RCC doesn't recognize the other women as a spouse how can they claim that Ms. Hale is "married" and "having sex" just like regular folks?

Now that I think of it, you thought the child raping priests was a scandal for the church? Whoever made this decision has put the Church in a much worse position.

On a side note last night I was watching the story of Fatima on one of the religious channels.(Always loved Our Lady).
It was the first time I heard what the last vision was. It's of a Bishop in White (only the Pope of Rome may wear that). He's being led to a tree that is growing in the form of the Cross by a wehole processional of Cardinals and other Priests.

When he arrives he is attacked. He is shot with arrows and guns. Many interpret this visaion as a warning for the end times. And believe it meansd that the Pope will be destroyed by "non-believers".

I take a different interpretation (Much like Danmiel did). I see the final Fatima vision as a warning that the Chruch is being led to slaughter by pious self righteous people who are more concerned with protecting their turf than they are with "God's Will". So yes I do see it as a warning of the End Times. All the Goats lining up and asking "when did we ever mistreat you Lord?" (Matthew 25:31-46)

Oh and BTW what ever happend to the moral Catholics and other "Christains" preached about in Luke 10:25-37

You can get as snarky as you want with me kiddo. But it won't stop people from looking at the questions I've raised on thios thread.

When you foirsyt appeared I sort of like you. But now that you are behaving like a Charter Member of the Columbus Topix Round Table overseeing the interests of the Council of the 7th toe......

“Ludibrium est onus genio”

Since: Dec 11

Planet Earth

#801 Apr 27, 2013
-tip- wrote:
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Church doctrine instructs that Christians are to avoid the very appearance of evil; and teachers are held to a higher standard.
An unmarried, cohabiting teacher would find him or herself in the same position as Ms. Hale.
James 3:1
Not many of you should become teachers, my brothers, for you know that we who teach will be judged with greater strictness.
Dodge, ye of weak will.

“Eat muh chikin, Hugh Victor ”

Since: Apr 13

Hilljackyard

#802 Apr 27, 2013
TonyD2 wrote:
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Dodge, ye of weak will.
6,000 posts of your dodging

DNF

“Judge less, Love more”

Since: Apr 07

Born in Newark Ohio

#804 Apr 27, 2013
-tip- wrote:
<quoted text>
You want to play the fool, too, eh?
No priest or nun would continue in the employ of the church while cohabiting wtih a member of the opposite sex.
You all are chasing your tails.
Umm Maybe you don't know this but in Monasteries, Seminaries, Churches, Parishes and Convents, priests and nuns co-habitate.

Next BS justification for using religion as an excuse to practice religious discrimination especially when said discrimination VIOLATES Church teaching that BEING something doesn't make you sinful (other than the basic original sin we all have).

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Since: May 10

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#805 Apr 27, 2013
DNF wrote:
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You can get as snarky as you want with me kiddo. But it won't stop people from looking at the questions I've raised on thios thread.
When you foirsyt appeared I sort of like you. But now that you are behaving like a Charter Member of the Columbus Topix Round Table overseeing the interests of the Council of the 7th toe......
Emotional ranting, name calling. I haven't indulged. You have.

Charter Member of the Columbus Topix Round Table blah blah blah?

Um where in the hell did that come from? Whoa. Snarky much?

I'm out of here. Most of my thoughts on the matter, already stated. Have no desire to get embroiled in hissy fits or snarks over who and what I discuss things with here.

“animis opibusque parati”

Since: Oct 12

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#806 Apr 27, 2013
TonyD2 wrote:
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Dodge, ye of weak will.
How ironic.

I can only assume you support pedophiles as teachers, alcholics as bartenders, thieves as bank tellers, addicts as pharmacists, et al.

One does not tempt oneself daily with the sin one has "willed" to avoid. "Lead us not into temptation..."

I Corinthians 6:18

Flee from sexual immorality.

“Eat muh chikin, Hugh Victor ”

Since: Apr 13

Hilljackyard

#807 Apr 27, 2013
gokeefe wrote:
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Emotional ranting, name calling. I haven't indulged. You have.
Charter Member of the Columbus Topix Round Table blah blah blah?
Um where in the hell did that come from? Whoa. Snarky much?
I'm out of here. Most of my thoughts on the matter, already stated. Have no desire to get embroiled in hissy fits or snarks over who and what I discuss things with here.
Why should I not have the right to marry a bucket?

“animis opibusque parati”

Since: Oct 12

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#808 Apr 27, 2013
DNF wrote:
<quoted text>Umm Maybe you don't know this but in Monasteries, Seminaries, Churches, Parishes and Convents, priests and nuns co-habitate.
Next BS justification for using religion as an excuse to practice religious discrimination especially when said discrimination VIOLATES Church teaching that BEING something doesn't make you sinful (other than the basic original sin we all have).
Ms. Hale is not simply "being" same-sex oriented.
She has acted upon that sexual orientation by willfully entering into a domestic partnership, which she asserts to be the equivalent of marriage.

You have no point.

“animis opibusque parati”

Since: Oct 12

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#809 Apr 27, 2013
DNF wrote:
<quoted text>My my my. Talk about one power hungry self entitlement thinking BYOTCH.
Like I asked before, are you going to now state on this forum that you NEVER said you are OK with civil unions as long as it's not marriage?
Good Lord woman I can right an obit that says my brother thinks he's the Pope. Should his employer be allowed to fire him because of that??
In the last two hours I have asked but you have dodged my points about the Church Teaching that BEING a lesbian is OK?
Because if you are I'll give you a few verifiable links.
Why Catholic Teaching on Homosexuality Isnít Bigoted
http://www.ncregister.com/daily-news/why-cath...
"The Roman Catholic Church, the largest Christian denomination in the United States with an estimated 62 million members, has welcomed celibate gay and lesbian people into its church life but increasingly is becoming more intolerant even of this population. Most recently, the Vatican has issued plans to release a document to the church worldwide that will bar celibate gay men from Catholic seminaries. The Human Rights Campaign condemned the document for scapegoating gays.(The document will not affect already ordained priests and does not address lay members.)
The church does condemn legal discrimination against gays and lesbians and supports increased research into the treatment and prevention of HIV/AIDS."
Stances of Faiths on LGBT Issues: Roman Catholic Church
http://www.hrc.org/resources/entry/stances-of...
Question: What is the Roman Catholic Church's Position on Homosexuality
Many denominations have differing views on homosexuality. The Roman Catholic Church is no different. While each Pope has had thier individual opinions on same-sex relationships and marriage, the Vatican currently has a strong opinion on homosexuality. What is it?
Answer:
As a leader in the Roman Catholic Church Pope Benedict has long been concerned about homosexual behavior, taking the stance that there are different kinds of homosexuals. In 1975 he issued the "Declaration on Certain Questions Concerning Sexual Ethics" which delineated a difference between transitory and pathological homosexuality. However, even in denouncing homosexual behavior, he called for empathy and compassion from followers. He denounced violence of speech and action against homosexuals in "The Pastoral Care of Homosexual Persons.
What is the Roman Catholic Church's Position on Homosexuality
http://christianteens.about.com/od/homosexual...
But don't get mad at me. Like I said before when you get fired for being your normal obnoxious self in your off hours, I'll be standing beside you fighting to get your job back because your firing had nothing to do with your job performance. And yes I know you'd NEVER do the same for me.
It's not the obituary; it's what happened after she was confronted concerning the obituary.

Ms. Hale then confirmed to her employer and the public that she is participating in a same-sex domestic partnership, which she asserts to be the equivalent of a marriage; and further, she has no intent of departing from her lifestyle, which is a biblical sin and breaks the terms of her contract with the Church.

Choices have consequences.

“Eat muh chikin, Hugh Victor ”

Since: Apr 13

Hilljackyard

#810 Apr 27, 2013
-tip- wrote:
<quoted text>
How ironic.
I can only assume you support pedophiles as teachers, alcholics as bartenders, thieves as bank tellers, addicts as pharmacists, et al.
One does not tempt oneself daily with the sin one has "willed" to avoid. "Lead us not into temptation..."
I Corinthians 6:18
Flee from sexual immorality.
We got tons of immorality at KFC

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Since: May 10

Location hidden

#811 Apr 27, 2013
The Pale Rider wrote:
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Why should I not have the right to marry a bucket?
Go deliver chicken to Reader.

“Eat muh chikin, Hugh Victor ”

Since: Apr 13

Hilljackyard

#812 Apr 27, 2013
gokeefe wrote:
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Go deliver chicken to Reader.
George will get a restraining order, it's all a campaign of harassment!

DNF

“Judge less, Love more”

Since: Apr 07

Born in Newark Ohio

#813 Apr 27, 2013
-tip- wrote:
<quoted text>
You want to play the fool, too, eh?
To be honest no one here really wants to take the top spot away from you.

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Since: May 10

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#814 Apr 27, 2013
The Pale Rider wrote:
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We got tons of immorality at KFC
But not at Chick Fil A!

“Eat muh chikin, Hugh Victor ”

Since: Apr 13

Hilljackyard

#815 Apr 27, 2013
DNF wrote:
<quoted text>To be honest no one here really wants to take the top spot away from you.
KFC #1 Original Recipe

“animis opibusque parati”

Since: Oct 12

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#816 Apr 27, 2013
The Pale Rider wrote:
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We got tons of immorality at KFC
I'm guessing polygamy.
One rooster...a whole lotta hens.

DNF

“Judge less, Love more”

Since: Apr 07

Born in Newark Ohio

#817 Apr 27, 2013
gokeefe wrote:
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Emotional ranting, name calling. I haven't indulged. You have.
Charter Member of the Columbus Topix Round Table blah blah blah?
Um where in the hell did that come from? Whoa. Snarky much?
I'm out of here. Most of my thoughts on the matter, already stated. Have no desire to get embroiled in hissy fits or snarks over who and what I discuss things with here.
But ya made time to write a snarky post about it, didn't ya Blanche.

Do you seriously think ANYONE in cyber space believes your claim that in 7,168 posts you've never called someone a name or wrote something with a snarky intent?

But if you want to leave, hey no problem. I'm used to 'newbies' like you tucking tail and running when it becomes apparent that the topic you want to push isn't getting much traction. Then of course your "fans' can then claim I 'silenced" you and you can bask in your home made martyrdom (it's similar to homemade sin).

To be honest I'm sorry to see you leave. Let's see how long that claim lasts!

LMAO!

“Eat muh chikin, Hugh Victor ”

Since: Apr 13

Hilljackyard

#818 Apr 27, 2013
gokeefe wrote:
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But not at Chick Fil A!
Don't have one of those in Hilljackyard, but you can get a whole bucket for one of their sandwhiches.

“Ludibrium est onus genio”

Since: Dec 11

Planet Earth

#819 Apr 27, 2013
-tip- wrote:
<quoted text>
How ironic.
I can only assume you support pedophiles as teachers, alcholics as bartenders, thieves as bank tellers, addicts as pharmacists, et al.
One does not tempt oneself daily with the sin one has "willed" to avoid. "Lead us not into temptation..."
I Corinthians 6:18
Flee from sexual immorality.
now I understand religion. Band together because we cannot resist temptation individually... how sad.

DNF

“Judge less, Love more”

Since: Apr 07

Born in Newark Ohio

#820 Apr 27, 2013
The Pale Rider wrote:
<quoted text>
Why should I not have the right to marry a bucket?
Most of us thought you already had dear. Sorry you ain't getting the tax breaks for it though. Maybe when the bucket learns to co-sign the tax return....

LMAO

P.S.(I'm so glad tip and Bigs called in re-enforcements. Just keep in mind what I did with you the last few times we debated on Topix. You dropped below radar for two years.)

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