Gay teacher fired by Catholic school claims discrimination

Apr 23, 2013 Full story: World Magazine 1,746

Carla Hale, 59, a lesbian P.E. teacher, has filed a grievance against the diocese of the Ohio Catholic school where she worked for 19 years until administrators fired her for "violating moral law." According to The Columbus Dispatch , Hale's sexual orientation became public when an obituary for her late mother published Hale's name along with the ... (more)

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DNF

“Religious Freedom to Marry”

Since: Apr 07

Newark OH / Baltimore MD

#719 Apr 27, 2013
Food For Thought wrote:
What does someones personal/private life have to do with their employment? The teacher had 19 years with that school?!....discrimination is wrong.
That's what I've been saying this whole time.

This is just as wrong as when an anti-gay person gets fired for what they say on facebook (excluding politicians of course).

DNF

“Religious Freedom to Marry”

Since: Apr 07

Newark OH / Baltimore MD

#720 Apr 27, 2013
-Clayton Bigsby wrote:
<quoted text>What part of "Catholic teachings" and "contract" don't you understand?
So you saw her and her partner having sex?

Catholic Teachings say there is nothing immoral about BEING a lesbian. It having lesbian sex that is immoral.

Show us where they are having sex in this obit!

DNF

“Religious Freedom to Marry”

Since: Apr 07

Newark OH / Baltimore MD

#721 Apr 27, 2013
-Clayton Bigsby wrote:
<quoted text>The offensive false equivalency...it's tired and really old.
the only reason it's offensive is because you need it to convince yourself you aren't a bigot just like those Klansman in the 60's. It's false because YOU SAY it is, not BECAUSE IT IS.

Did blacks, Asians, Hispanics, women, Catholics, Jews, Protestants, gays and lesbians have to have laws passed to prevent people from discriminating against them? Yes, so there IS equivalency.

What's old and tired is your insistence you aren't as mean-hearted and unchristian as the racists in the 60's were.
Duke for Mayor

Uniontown, OH

#722 Apr 27, 2013
Pam wrote:
<quoted text>
You are a grown man who ends every post with woof.
Grow up Duke.
I didn't realize I was writing scholarly dissertations here Pam.

woof
Duke for Mayor

Uniontown, OH

#723 Apr 27, 2013
DNF wrote:
<quoted text>I'd like you to post it. I'm so fed up with these people coming up with the same idiotic what ifs.
This one's moaning again about Hate Crime Laws, yet he's perfectly happy having Religion covered under them on the Federal Level as long as Washington State says he can use "religious Freedom" as a reasonable defense against charges of "religious discrimination".
That's what's being used here too. Using "religious Freedom" as a legal defense against charges of religious discrimination. It's like claiming a black man can't be a racist because he's black.
http://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/92-515....

woof

DNF

“Religious Freedom to Marry”

Since: Apr 07

Newark OH / Baltimore MD

#724 Apr 27, 2013
-Clayton Bigsby wrote:
<quoted text>How do you prove that?
Should be easy for you. After all you "proved" she had lesbian sex even though no one saw her actually doing it.

I'll let you in on a secret. I haven't had sex in a long time. I'm still gay. According to the RCC, I've done nothing immoral because I'm gay. It is only when I have sex with another man again that they will deem my BEHAVIOR immoral.

My point is, they fired her because of an article that identifies her as a lesbian. Yet Church Doctrine doesn't call that immoral.

In case word hasn't reached Columbus yet, Benedict XVI (born Joseph Aloisius Ratzinger) was Prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith and also Dean of the College of Cardinals under Pope John Paul II. During that period he worked on reshaping the R.C.C.'s teaching on homosexuals and lesbians. Those teachings have "evolved" and now BEING gay or lesbian isn't "a sin" or "immoral".

The \mention of her private relationship should therefore nor be deemed "a sin" or "immoral".

Unless the Church wants to admit it doesn't follow it's own rules.

DNF

“Religious Freedom to Marry”

Since: Apr 07

Newark OH / Baltimore MD

#725 Apr 27, 2013
IRYW wrote:
<quoted text>
You are really dense. Do you know what IRC section 501c actually says? It has nothing to do with not having profits. It simply restricts certain organizations from distributing profits. The profits must be retained for the benefit of the organization and achieving it's stated mission; they can't be distributed like a corporation might do for shareholders.
Many 501c organizations have highly compensated staff; some executive directors make millions of dollars in salary and benefits. Same with churches. So not only are churches immensely profitable they have a motive to be even more so. They can build new, expensive churches, nicer homes for the pastors, money for massive campaigns like opposing legal abortion.
Further evidence of government favoritism is that churches do not have to open their books to auditors the way most 501c's do. Yet there are many analyses that indicate churches spend less than 10% of their revenues on charity. 90% or more is spent on buildings, administrative salaries, etc. You are so hypocritical to claim the church does such great work in charity when 90% is just for the fat cats themselves.
To the two folks who voted dim bulb and peanut on the above post. He's right.

The ones who should be awarded the dim bulb and peanut are the two who voted them. And something tells me it's the two remaining members of the Columbus Society of the 7 Sacred Toes.

DNF

“Religious Freedom to Marry”

Since: Apr 07

Newark OH / Baltimore MD

#726 Apr 27, 2013
gokeefe wrote:
<quoted text>
In the case of Catholic schools, they spend the income on EDUCATION. And tuition is often not enough to cover the per-pupil costs.
Show the analyses that "indicate churches spend less than 10% of their revenue on charity" and THEN connect it back to this lawsuit.
I think Carl Sagan would have a field day (or a huge headache) dealing with your logic. Google "baloney detector kit" sometime.
I think you need to re-examine your belief system.

For the most part what he said is true.

I used to work for a Not for Profit, The National Federation of the Blind. I also have volunteered at a number of Non Profits and even served on a few Boards (very small non profits). I found a website that is very good resource for these issues. http://charitynavigator.org/

Take a look and you'll find some surprising information about many popular "charities".

BTW
BISHOP WATTERSON HIGH SCHOOL
This organization is not eligible to be rated by Charity Navigator because it is not required to file the IRS Form 990. As a result, we lack sufficient data to evaluate it.

(A Form 990 is the form organizations who are tax exempt MUST file with the IRS. This School apparently is NOT a tax exempt entity)

http://www.charitynavigator.org/index.cfm...

DNF

“Religious Freedom to Marry”

Since: Apr 07

Newark OH / Baltimore MD

#727 Apr 27, 2013
Skid wrote:
<quoted text>
burp
very good. Good puppy. now if you roll over and fart you get a cookie!

DNF

“Religious Freedom to Marry”

Since: Apr 07

Newark OH / Baltimore MD

#728 Apr 27, 2013
Duke for Mayor wrote:
Thanks. Had to start a new Bookmarks Folder.
IRYW

Malvern, PA

#729 Apr 27, 2013
DNF wrote:
<quoted text>To the two folks who voted dim bulb and peanut on the above post. He's right.
The ones who should be awarded the dim bulb and peanut are the two who voted them. And something tells me it's the two remaining members of the Columbus Society of the 7 Sacred Toes.
Thanks. I astounds me how many posters are willing to make stuff up shamelessly and, when called on it, make no acknowledgement or apology but continue to claim victory. The non-profit one was hysterical because it didn't involve an ideological, religious objection. My first thought was, how could someone who can fog a mirror not know of the mega-church financial scandals and the pastors that have been jailed for tax fraud and tax evasion. The money in religion is huge and largely unregulated. There is as much as $500 billion real estate owned by religious organizations, most of it untaxed. NYC alone loses over $600 million annually in property taxes due to church exemptions. Yet churches take in about $100 billion in contributions every year. They receive something like $70 billion a year through property tax exemption. The economic stimulus package has thrown at least $140 million into church coffers in the last few years. For what? Belief in magical sky pixies?

Since: Mar 09

Location hidden

#730 Apr 27, 2013
gokeefe wrote:
<quoted text>
In the case of Catholic schools, they spend the income on EDUCATION. And tuition is often not enough to cover the per-pupil costs.
Show the analyses that "indicate churches spend less than 10% of their revenue on charity" and THEN connect it back to this lawsuit.
I think Carl Sagan would have a field day (or a huge headache) dealing with your logic. Google "baloney detector kit" sometime.
In corporate-speak, that would be a "loss-leader" in the "overhead" category "Recruitment and Training Expenses". lol

“Queen of my domain”

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#731 Apr 27, 2013
DNF wrote:
<quoted text>I think you need to re-examine your belief system.
For the most part what he said is true.
I used to work for a Not for Profit, The National Federation of the Blind. I also have volunteered at a number of Non Profits and even served on a few Boards (very small non profits). I found a website that is very good resource for these issues. http://charitynavigator.org/
Take a look and you'll find some surprising information about many popular "charities".
BTW
BISHOP WATTERSON HIGH SCHOOL
This organization is not eligible to be rated by Charity Navigator because it is not required to file the IRS Form 990. As a result, we lack sufficient data to evaluate it.
(A Form 990 is the form organizations who are tax exempt MUST file with the IRS. This School apparently is NOT a tax exempt entity)
http://www.charitynavigator.org/index.cfm...
I think you might just need to shut up and learn.

You didn't find the high school in Charity Navigator, it is NOT listed there, because it is PART of the diocese, run by the diocese.

Again, your argument is? Your posts reflect to me someone completely unwilling to listen and prefer just to argue your own position.

BTW, I was educated for 12 years in Catholic schools. Not here, elsewhere. However, the schools did fire even heteros for indulging in what they deemed "immoral" behavior--adultery, affairs, etc. Unless you're willing to ignore this fact, extramarital sex is always deemed immoral by the Catholic Church. Note that "extramarital sex" in this context is not preceded by any modifier: "gay", "straight," etc.

Go have yourself a good time by reading this thread from the TOP and another one related to it here. Much of the Catholic Church's stance is explained there as well as some of the background.

Since: Apr 13

Hilliard, OH

#732 Apr 27, 2013
DNF wrote:
<quoted text>So you saw her and her partner having sex?
Catholic Teachings say there is nothing immoral about BEING a lesbian. It having lesbian sex that is immoral.
Show us where they are having sex in this obit!
The obit was written in the same style for her and her "partner" as it is for children and their spouse. Grow up.

Since: Apr 13

Hilliard, OH

#733 Apr 27, 2013
IRYW wrote:
<quoted text>
Thanks. I astounds me how many posters are willing to make stuff up shamelessly and, when called on it, make no acknowledgement or apology but continue to claim victory. The non-profit one was hysterical because it didn't involve an ideological, religious objection. My first thought was, how could someone who can fog a mirror not know of the mega-church financial scandals and the pastors that have been jailed for tax fraud and tax evasion. The money in religion is huge and largely unregulated. There is as much as $500 billion real estate owned by religious organizations, most of it untaxed. NYC alone loses over $600 million annually in property taxes due to church exemptions. Yet churches take in about $100 billion in contributions every year. They receive something like $70 billion a year through property tax exemption. The economic stimulus package has thrown at least $140 million into church coffers in the last few years. For what? Belief in magical sky pixies?
There's no point in arguing with atheist homosexuals. You're an entirely different species.

Since: Apr 13

Hilliard, OH

#734 Apr 27, 2013
DNF wrote:
<quoted text>To the two folks who voted dim bulb and peanut on the above post. He's right.
The ones who should be awarded the dim bulb and peanut are the two who voted them. And something tells me it's the two remaining members of the Columbus Society of the 7 Sacred Toes.
When you whine about icons, you've run out of gas.

DNF

“Religious Freedom to Marry”

Since: Apr 07

Newark OH / Baltimore MD

#735 Apr 27, 2013
Guess "love the sinner hate the sin" just joined the pile of old worn out phrases along with "practicing homosexuals", "domestic partnerships" and "if you do that you'll go blind"!

And "morality"

Since: Mar 09

Location hidden

#736 Apr 27, 2013
gokeefe wrote:
<quoted text>
In the case of Catholic schools, they spend the income on EDUCATION. And tuition is often not enough to cover the per-pupil costs.
Show the analyses that "indicate churches spend less than 10% of their revenue on charity" and THEN connect it back to this lawsuit.
I think Carl Sagan would have a field day (or a huge headache) dealing with your logic. Google "baloney detector kit" sometime.
Try these easy and readily-available lists for reference, instead of citing "Sagan":

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fallacy

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fallacie...

There are more extensive discussions, but these are a good place to begin.

Since: Apr 13

Hilliard, OH

#737 Apr 27, 2013
DNF wrote:
<quoted text>Should be easy for you. After all you "proved" she had lesbian sex even though no one saw her actually doing it.
I'll let you in on a secret. I haven't had sex in a long time. I'm still gay. According to the RCC, I've done nothing immoral because I'm gay. It is only when I have sex with another man again that they will deem my BEHAVIOR immoral.
My point is, they fired her because of an article that identifies her as a lesbian. Yet Church Doctrine doesn't call that immoral.
In case word hasn't reached Columbus yet, Benedict XVI (born Joseph Aloisius Ratzinger) was Prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith and also Dean of the College of Cardinals under Pope John Paul II. During that period he worked on reshaping the R.C.C.'s teaching on homosexuals and lesbians. Those teachings have "evolved" and now BEING gay or lesbian isn't "a sin" or "immoral".
The \mention of her private relationship should therefore nor be deemed "a sin" or "immoral".
Unless the Church wants to admit it doesn't follow it's own rules.
Spin all you want...those two butches consider themseles a couple. They're not roommates.

Since: Apr 13

Hilliard, OH

#738 Apr 27, 2013
DNF wrote:
<quoted text>the only reason it's offensive is because you need it to convince yourself you aren't a bigot just like those Klansman in the 60's. It's false because YOU SAY it is, not BECAUSE IT IS.
Did blacks, Asians, Hispanics, women, Catholics, Jews, Protestants, gays and lesbians have to have laws passed to prevent people from discriminating against them? Yes, so there IS equivalency.
What's old and tired is your insistence you aren't as mean-hearted and unchristian as the racists in the 60's were.
Once again, I invite you to tell that to the black community and see how they respond. You won't like it.

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