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#161
Feb 4, 2013
 
Enzyte Bob wrote:
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The district’s “local economically disadvantaged enterprise” program, known as LEDE, seeks to help socially and economically disadvantaged people participate in district contracts,“including African-Americans, Hispanic Americans, Native Americans, women and others,” the policy says. Because of federal case law, the program sets only race- and gender-neutral goals for participation.
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I am not local. I have no idea what political persuasion or race the mayor of Columbus is. Nor do I care.
Reader, you've probably have not spent much time outside your neighborhood, a weeks vacation here or there when you were younger. And, likely, you've worked with the same people for your entire career, not interacted with the public or anyone outside of your immediate employer and perhaps some satellite offices.
That is not the case with me.
Nor is it the case with me.
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Columbus was well under control until the cage gates broke on Cleveland and Mt. Vernon Avenues. Thus allowing the vermin to move outward and demonstrate the quality of life they have lived in a much more separate portion of town. What a rough awakening for many, many people.

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Feb 4, 2013
 
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Extremely important paragraph here.
Serious Lady and others do not believe this to be the case.
sorry to "skim" the thread......

Is a claim being made that registered minority owned companies are not given a bid advantage for state and federal projects?

If that is the case I know from personal experience (in Kalifornia)
a registered minority owned company can come in 10% above a competing bid and be awarded the contract......just a fact.

Again sorry to skim, but the thread is pretty boring.....

The other thing I can attest to is yes, city inspectors are on the take and I have been asked for "contributions" to their Christmas fund... For some folks, it is just a cost of doing business.......
Report it at risk of further and greater repercussions....
I don't pay it but I know how to do battle.......

Carry on....

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Feb 4, 2013
 
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sorry to "skim" the thread......
Is a claim being made that registered minority owned companies are not given a bid advantage for state and federal projects?
If that is the case I know from personal experience (in Kalifornia)
a registered minority owned company can come in 10% above a competing bid and be awarded the contract......just a fact.
Again sorry to skim, but the thread is pretty boring.....
The other thing I can attest to is yes, city inspectors are on the take and I have been asked for "contributions" to their Christmas fund... For some folks, it is just a cost of doing business.......
Report it at risk of further and greater repercussions....
I don't pay it but I know how to do battle.......
Carry on....
Here in Ohio, bb, you may recall Governor Taft pleading guilty before the Supreme Court to an ethics violation that pretty much centered on not reporting golf outings. So---a good many things got very tight under Strickland. Now, we all know about how things roll downhill--so when things get tight they tend to come down most heavily on folks at the bottom of the heap--so are the folks in the upper echelons of the Kasich admin who might be open to accepting inducements, well, I couldn't say. There is, however, a lot of concern about JobsOhio and the kind of set-up it is (pretty much privatizing the DoD) and whether it really fosters quid pro quo arrangements. There have been a lot of suggestions about the influence of David Brennan (for-profit charter school operator) on the Gov and his education policies. On the other hand, we lost a State Superintendent due to impropriety or the appearance of impropriety. Have a couple of legislators (SL will be happy to hear that they are Dems and minority) sitting in jail for accepting bribes.

I have written before about the state bidding process. It combines two separate scores--only one of which is cost. So--yes, a bid that is not the lowest could outscore another on the combined merits. No "minority points" given. I believe that in the interest of ensuring fairness there is an outcome consideration (a percentage of business going to defined categories of contractors).

I am familiar with the Columbus Schools LEDE policy because I recall it being debated at school board meetings. At one time there was a minority hiring/contracting policy. However this no longer withstood various legal challenges. The intent of the current policy had to do with hiring local and trying to ensure the vitality of the community. Most states have something similar. Ohio has an instate preference for contracts, which essentially requires a justification for going out of state (example, service not available instate, or the out of state option being far superior for some reason).

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6was9 wrote:
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sorry to "skim" the thread......
Is a claim being made that registered minority owned companies are not given a bid advantage for state and federal projects?
If that is the case I know from personal experience (in Kalifornia)
a registered minority owned company can come in 10% above a competing bid and be awarded the contract......just a fact.
Again sorry to skim, but the thread is pretty boring.....
The other thing I can attest to is yes, city inspectors are on the take and I have been asked for "contributions" to their Christmas fund... For some folks, it is just a cost of doing business.......
Report it at risk of further and greater repercussions....
I don't pay it but I know how to do battle.......
Carry on....
I know nothing about federal contracting.

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Here in Ohio, bb, you may recall Governor Taft pleading guilty before the Supreme Court to an ethics violation that pretty much centered on not reporting golf outings. So---a good many things got very tight under Strickland. Now, we all know about how things roll downhill--so when things get tight they tend to come down most heavily on folks at the bottom of the heap--so are the folks in the upper echelons of the Kasich admin who might be open to accepting inducements, well, I couldn't say. There is, however, a lot of concern about JobsOhio and the kind of set-up it is (pretty much privatizing the DoD) and whether it really fosters quid pro quo arrangements. There have been a lot of suggestions about the influence of David Brennan (for-profit charter school operator) on the Gov and his education policies. On the other hand, we lost a State Superintendent due to impropriety or the appearance of impropriety. Have a couple of legislators (SL will be happy to hear that they are Dems and minority) sitting in jail for accepting bribes.
I have written before about the state bidding process. It combines two separate scores--only one of which is cost. So--yes, a bid that is not the lowest could outscore another on the combined merits. No "minority points" given. I believe that in the interest of ensuring fairness there is an outcome consideration (a percentage of business going to defined categories of contractors).
I am familiar with the Columbus Schools LEDE policy because I recall it being debated at school board meetings. At one time there was a minority hiring/contracting policy. However this no longer withstood various legal challenges. The intent of the current policy had to do with hiring local and trying to ensure the vitality of the community. Most states have something similar. Ohio has an instate preference for contracts, which essentially requires a justification for going out of state (example, service not available instate, or the out of state option being far superior for some reason).
ROTFLMAO....
you kill me skimmer.....if you you want to make a comment that has the slightest bit of reference to my post feel free.......

My post made no reference to political parties or for that matter the rest of your spew..

2 simple points in my post.....

1. registered minority contractors can come in 10% above a non minority contractor and be awarded a bid due to minority preferences.

2. I am personally aware that city building inspectors regularly ask for pay offs to approve construction......

pretty easy eh?

I personally KNOW that both Democrats and Republicans are corrupt, so you are wasting your time with your political spin...

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I know nothing about federal contracting.
No you don't.......

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ROTFLMAO....
you kill me skimmer.....if you you want to make a comment that has the slightest bit of reference to my post feel free.......
My post made no reference to political parties or for that matter the rest of your spew..
2 simple points in my post.....
1. registered minority contractors can come in 10% above a non minority contractor and be awarded a bid due to minority preferences.
2. I am personally aware that city building inspectors regularly ask for pay offs to approve construction......
pretty easy eh?
I personally KNOW that both Democrats and Republicans are corrupt, so you are wasting your time with your political spin...
Two small phrases: "minority owned/disadvantaged small business" and "set asides"....

See these words very often in my world....

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Two small phrases: "minority owned/disadvantaged small business" and "set asides"....
See these words very often in my world....
LOL.... Of course you do, and I know what you do so I understand.......It is just a fact.........

Oddly; with an Asian wife, I could register my company as a minority owned business in Kalifornia......

As you might guess, I refuse..........

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Hugh Victor Thompson III wrote:
<quoted text>As far as I know it's still there on W. Broad. The casino is across the street.
It is. The owner says she spent hundreds of thousands on renovations...I don't eat there so I can't say if it looks better or any different.

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-The-Artist- wrote:
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I've never been to the DC area, but since the entire area is dependent on stealing cash from the rest of us and borrowing the rest, I'd imagine it must be dead during the weekends, mainly in the burbs.
Get out and about. There's hordes of schoolkids there all the time, for history and government trips. And lots of tourists, although that can be seasonal.

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FKA Reader wrote:
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Extremely important paragraph here.
Serious Lady and others do not believe this to be the case.
Reader, the above paragraph and Bob's article underscore exactly what I said and you take offense to:

In essense I said:

"Unfortunately, in this era municipal contracts are often influenced and awarded to politically connected or minority owned companies."

And I knew nothing about the Indianola Middle School scandal, a perfect example to prove my point, and provided by Bob, which is your backyard, not mine. I'm on the east coast.

Look how well that worked out for them.

You quite simply have a burr under your saddle, for whatever reason, for anything I post and start looking down your nose, accusing me of lying, misrepresenting facts and basically, being beneath your superior knowledge on any subject.

It's really getting old and it is annoying.

The only factual statement you've made during this back and forth, because there always is one with you, never a discussion, is:

Reader: 2/4/13: "I don't know anything about federal contracts."

Yet, a few months ago you took me to the mat denying my statement that minority owned firms are given discounts on their bids on federal contracts. You accused me of lying, "making things up", not knowing my subject matter; until an actual contractor finally came in and set you straight.

I am not a racist and I am not anti-minority. I simply believe that the whole country should be a level playing field and no one get special consideration because of their race or gender.

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LOL.... Of course you do, and I know what you do so I understand.......It is just a fact.........
Oddly; with an Asian wife, I could register my company as a minority owned business in Kalifornia......
As you might guess, I refuse..........
Hell, with any wife or daughter you can transfer ownership of the company to her and gain minority status...Smart thing to do....

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Seriouslady wrote:
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Reader, the above paragraph and Bob's article underscore exactly what I said and you take offense to:
In essense I said:
"Unfortunately, in this era municipal contracts are often influenced and awarded to politically connected or minority owned companies."
And I knew nothing about the Indianola Middle School scandal, a perfect example to prove my point, and provided by Bob, which is your backyard, not mine. I'm on the east coast.
Look how well that worked out for them.
You quite simply have a burr under your saddle, for whatever reason, for anything I post and start looking down your nose, accusing me of lying, misrepresenting facts and basically, being beneath your superior knowledge on any subject.
It's really getting old and it is annoying.
The only factual statement you've made during this back and forth, because there always is one with you, never a discussion, is:
Reader: 2/4/13: "I don't know anything about federal contracts."
Yet, a few months ago you took me to the mat denying my statement that minority owned firms are given discounts on their bids on federal contracts. You accused me of lying, "making things up", not knowing my subject matter; until an actual contractor finally came in and set you straight.
I am not a racist and I am not anti-minority. I simply believe that the whole country should be a level playing field and no one get special consideration because of their race or gender.
Amen. Well stated.

Yes, points/discounts ARE given for special classes of bidders. And I'm no expert in the legal contract end of things, but have worked in some form of government contracting for a very long time, since oh say, 1985ish. Have done so at the county, state, and federal level. Even if a PRIME isn't a minority/disadvantaged firm, the PRIME is given brownie points for using such subcontracts....

It could be so much, much simpler.... contracts do become convoluted and staffing projects so much more difficult and COSTLY.

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Two small phrases: "minority owned/disadvantaged small business" and "set asides"....
See these words very often in my world....
Oh, gokeefe, the whole thing is unfair. White men are now the most discriminated, disadvantaged group in the US.

Now my cousin's husband is Mexican and he is called 'an asphalt laying SOB' in the construction world around here. A huge compliment. He's a super and courted by every contractor on the east coast.
But he gets the job done right the first time. He toyed with the idea of going out on his own as a minority owned firm, but rejected it.

For the most part, the minority owned firms can't even do the work, sub it out and don't know if the job has been done right or wrong. But if an inspector sites anything, the 'racism and discrimination' card is played.

I am so tired of hearing it.

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Kemosahbe wrote:
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Get out and about. There's hordes of schoolkids there all the time, for history and government trips. And lots of tourists, although that can be seasonal.
Well, go have a meal at the place on Board St and come to DC in the spring to see the cherry blossoms.

Yes, hordes of 'class trips' always. But if you come to DC......visit the Eastern Shore of the Chesapeake Bay.

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Reader, the above paragraph and Bob's article underscore exactly what I said and you take offense to:
In essense I said:
"Unfortunately, in this era municipal contracts are often influenced and awarded to politically connected or minority owned companies."
And I knew nothing about the Indianola Middle School scandal, a perfect example to prove my point, and provided by Bob, which is your backyard, not mine. I'm on the east coast.
Look how well that worked out for them.
You quite simply have a burr under your saddle, for whatever reason, for anything I post and start looking down your nose, accusing me of lying, misrepresenting facts and basically, being beneath your superior knowledge on any subject.
It's really getting old and it is annoying.
The only factual statement you've made during this back and forth, because there always is one with you, never a discussion, is:
Reader: 2/4/13: "I don't know anything about federal contracts."
Yet, a few months ago you took me to the mat denying my statement that minority owned firms are given discounts on their bids on federal contracts. You accused me of lying, "making things up", not knowing my subject matter; until an actual contractor finally came in and set you straight.
I am not a racist and I am not anti-minority. I simply believe that the whole country should be a level playing field and no one get special consideration because of their race or gender.
Apparently you failed to read the paragraph.

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Hell, with any wife or daughter you can transfer ownership of the company to her and gain minority status...Smart thing to do....
SL apparently you have not perceived who I am....All I want is a level playing field.....

I am not willing to take advantage of anyone because of preferences that may be available to me.....

How could I complain if I were to call my company a registered minority owned company..........
And most of all I would not like to explain to my daughter why she was getting an unfair preference based on her race.......
That is not the way I raised her........

Not gonna do it....
Austic Known as Karl

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-The-Artist- wrote:
It's better run than Cleveland and Akron.
But it is still ridden with socialists and oikophobes.
If you can't rein in the underclass, you will become Detroit.
Democratic Mayor and City Council.... and a place where GOP theocracy doesn't mean much.

Double down with an educated population and you might start to understand why we thrive and you suck.

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