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“Queen of my domain”

Since: May 10

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#141 Feb 2, 2013
-The-Artist- wrote:
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I've never been to the DC area, but since the entire area is dependent on stealing cash from the rest of us and borrowing the rest, I'd imagine it must be dead during the weekends, mainly in the burbs.
Interesting theory there.

I've been to DC, but not in over ten years. Last time I was, had to remain there for about a week, including a Saturday/Sunday. Took the metro into town (was staying in Arlington at the end of the red line) to go to the Smithsonian. Metro was half empty. But seemed to me there were quite a few tourists there though.

“Don't trust the internet!”

Since: Jan 12

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#142 Feb 2, 2013
Seriouslady wrote:
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They can core sample till 'the cows come home', as they say. Everytime anyone lays a foot of concrete or asphalt, the water table moves.
If the demo of the previous buildings was done poortly, if the A&E company that won the bid wasn't top notch and the inspectors looked the other way, if the workmanship and material was shoddy, and the inspectors looked the other way, or took a pay-off, problems with the structure will begin rather rapidly.
Unfortunately, in this era, bids are often awarded to companys with political ties or who are minority owned. That spells disaster. Ask bb.
I had forgotten that I worked for a company, shortly, that a city inspector asked for a bribe. The owner called in the police, they set it up with marked bills and wired the manager. Then hid in my office. The guy came in, asked 'Where's Tom?" And as he left I said "Have a nice day." He was cuffed on the sidewalk. Funny the stuff you forget.
Of course you did, dear.

In this case, Lashutka was the all-white, all-Republican, all-Catholic (not that it matters, just throwing that in) Mayor. The contractor was the all-white brother of the all-white, all Republican governor.

Since: Oct 10

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#143 Feb 2, 2013
-The-Artist- wrote:
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I've never been to the DC area, but since the entire area is dependent on stealing cash from the rest of us and borrowing the rest, I'd imagine it must be dead during the weekends, mainly in the burbs.
It's a very wealthy area. Lots of employees commute in from northern Virginia, Baltimore, smaller out lying towns. Real estate prices are through the roof.

They take off for the weekend to the Atlantic beaches in Southern Delaware and Maryland, or beautiful, quaint areas on the Eastern Shore of the Chesapeake Bay. MD and VA. And there are MANY rivers and tributaries that feed into the bay. Very strong 'Save the Bay' efforts and organization and it's been working. The bay is pristine and the wildlife has all returned. Crabbing, oystering and fishing are mainstays. Four or five times a year we make an hour drive to Tilghman Island just to stay the weekend. Lot's of history.
Enzyte Bob

Blacklick, OH

#144 Feb 2, 2013
FKA Reader wrote:
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Of course you did, dear.
In this case, Lashutka was the all-white, all-Republican, all-Catholic (not that it matters, just throwing that in) Mayor.
Greg Lashutka is Russian Orthodox. Technically you are correct that he is Catholic, just not Roman Catholic.

Since: Oct 10

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#145 Feb 2, 2013
FKA Reader wrote:
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Of course you did, dear.
In this case, Lashutka was the all-white, all-Republican, all-Catholic (not that it matters, just throwing that in) Mayor. The contractor was the all-white brother of the all-white, all Republican governor.
You know, Reader, I can't even remember the name of the company, but it was on the awlful east side of Wilmnington and why would I make up a story for the hell of it? I was very young and I didn't stay there more than two months. You piss me off with that "Of course you did, dear." Not everyone has had one job for the government their entire life.

As far as the bribing of inspectors and inspectors looking the other way.....it happens too much. Not all the time, but too much.

So the contractor, one of them, it takes many different types of contractors to erect a building from the ground up, FYI, but one of them was the governor's brother. I said many bids were awarded driven by politics. So there you are. Doesn't mean he was a good contractor or that his supers or foremen were good.

Any you don't know if the business was in his wife or daughter's name, making it minority owned, do you? If he's smart it was/is.

Bad contractors and inspectors make for bad accidents. That trench cave in last week that killed two in CA was because the trench box was 2' below the dig level. My husband walked up on the same situation with his own company within the past few months and SHUT IT DOWN. He told the men "Not on my job. Ever. I've seen men buried in a trench that I had coffee with that morning."

There is a housing development 2 miles from here that is build on a field that could never be planted because it was too wet and held too much standing water. But a large contractor got the permit to build houses on it. Some of the houses have six sump pumps in their basements and a 12 year old girl drown in a storm drain during a storm shortly after it was built. It could not contain the water and she was swept into it.

What do you think? I just pull these experiences out of my a$$ to impress you? I learned a long time ago you can't be impressed. You can always go one better or know more than anyone else. Well you better go check and see if there is actually a Chesapeake Bay. Can't take my word for it.

Since: Oct 10

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#146 Feb 2, 2013
Enzyte Bob wrote:
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Greg Lashutka is Russian Orthodox. Technically you are correct that he is Catholic, just not Roman Catholic.
It doesn't matter, Bob. She's just got her panties in a twist because I said 'political or MINORITY owned.' Must not say 'minority' or God, forbid, they sometimes do shoddy work. bb knows how contracts go.

I will say this, and I've said it before, my husband's two Mexicans are the hardest workers he has and never any problems with them.

Since: Oct 10

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#147 Feb 2, 2013
gokeefe wrote:
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Interesting theory there.
I've been to DC, but not in over ten years. Last time I was, had to remain there for about a week, including a Saturday/Sunday. Took the metro into town (was staying in Arlington at the end of the red line) to go to the Smithsonian. Metro was half empty. But seemed to me there were quite a few tourists there though.
I haven't been to Arlington in years. Maybe I'll take a ride in the spring.

“Don't trust the internet!”

Since: Jan 12

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#148 Feb 3, 2013
Seriouslady wrote:
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You know, Reader, I can't even remember the name of the company, but it was on the awlful east side of Wilmnington and why would I make up a story for the hell of it? I was very young and I didn't stay there more than two months. You piss me off with that "Of course you did, dear." Not everyone has had one job for the government their entire life.
As far as the bribing of inspectors and inspectors looking the other way.....it happens too much. Not all the time, but too much.
So the contractor, one of them, it takes many different types of contractors to erect a building from the ground up, FYI, but one of them was the governor's brother. I said many bids were awarded driven by politics. So there you are. Doesn't mean he was a good contractor or that his supers or foremen were good.
Any you don't know if the business was in his wife or daughter's name, making it minority owned, do you? If he's smart it was/is.
Bad contractors and inspectors make for bad accidents. That trench cave in last week that killed two in CA was because the trench box was 2' below the dig level. My husband walked up on the same situation with his own company within the past few months and SHUT IT DOWN. He told the men "Not on my job. Ever. I've seen men buried in a trench that I had coffee with that morning."
There is a housing development 2 miles from here that is build on a field that could never be planted because it was too wet and held too much standing water. But a large contractor got the permit to build houses on it. Some of the houses have six sump pumps in their basements and a 12 year old girl drown in a storm drain during a storm shortly after it was built. It could not contain the water and she was swept into it.
What do you think? I just pull these experiences out of my a$$ to impress you? I learned a long time ago you can't be impressed. You can always go one better or know more than anyone else. Well you better go check and see if there is actually a Chesapeake Bay. Can't take my word for it.
Well, SL, you do havea history of bringing up personal anecdotes--frequently questionable as to the facts--to support your views.

And in this case your view is that corruption falls on the side of minority contracting and those of the Democratic persuasion. Our current, black and Democratic, Mayor had a lot of clean-up when he came into office as a direct result of poor construction funded by the City--hampered by cronyism and cutting corners.

“Cats rule.”

Since: Dec 09

Chardon Ohio.

#149 Feb 3, 2013
FKA Reader wrote:
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Well, SL, you do havea history of bringing up personal anecdotes--frequently questionable as to the facts--to support your views.
And in this case your view is that corruption falls on the side of minority contracting and those of the Democratic persuasion. Our current, black and Democratic, Mayor had a lot of clean-up when he came into office as a direct result of poor construction funded by the City--hampered by cronyism and cutting corners.
How are you today?
Duke for Mayor

Akron, OH

#150 Feb 3, 2013
Seriouslady wrote:
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It doesn't matter, Bob. She's just got her panties in a twist because I said 'political or MINORITY owned.' Must not say 'minority' or God, forbid, they sometimes do shoddy work. bb knows how contracts go.
I will say this, and I've said it before, my husband's two Mexicans are the hardest workers he has and never any problems with them.
Your husband owns Mexicans???

Isn't that illegal?

woof

Since: Oct 10

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#151 Feb 3, 2013
Duke for Mayor wrote:
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Your husband owns Mexicans???
Isn't that illegal?
woof
Na, Duke. I've said before. He knows two, Aruturo and Salvadore, that come on 10 month work visas. They've been doing it about 10 years, I think. Since before he met me. I

Since: Oct 10

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#152 Feb 3, 2013
FKA Reader wrote:
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Well, SL, you do havea history of bringing up personal anecdotes--frequently questionable as to the facts--to support your views.
And in this case your view is that corruption falls on the side of minority contracting and those of the Democratic persuasion. Our current, black and Democratic, Mayor had a lot of clean-up when he came into office as a direct result of poor construction funded by the City--hampered by cronyism and cutting corners.
Reader, I said 'political.' Never mentioned a party. It happens on both sides.

Again, YOU inserted what YOU want into he conversation, a non-reflection of anything I've said.

As for personal anecdotes, what else do any of have to discuss but our experiences? The questionable history of mine is an invention of you, Kos and Tran. Out jealousy, or anger or whatever, I don't know. Or care.

George, Artist, Duke, bb, rowdy, Tony and others, know I back out of a conversation where I am lost and just read and occasionally ask them questions.

Until George, who knows more about me than any other poster, starts calling me a liar, and saying that I fabricate stories....what you say...go ahead and say.
WiseAmerican

Columbus, OH

#153 Feb 3, 2013
hey now now wrote:
<quoted text>I dunno, gimmie rat don't play hockey. When it be cold the only sport gimmie rats go for is shooting each other over sneakers or spilled beverage or a glance or a 40ounce or a Black & Mild or an oinge drink.
Or a dirty mouth bigot.
Major Republic-an

United States

#154 Feb 3, 2013
C-bus, baby...
LorenEberly

Bellville, OH

#155 Feb 3, 2013
None of Us The Government of This Representative Republic Business:

The majority of Us the Government of this Representative Republic that vote and the nonvoters that sit on their dead hands and whine; Successfully reelected Obnoxious President, Vice President, Governor, Representatives of US the Government, County Commissioners, Township Trustees, Mayors, City Council, School Administrators and Board Members.

That believe it’s a sin to comply with USA Labor Law, The Constitution, and demands of Natural Law: what Mother Nature, God, or Whatever Power decreed to be the reality of the real world, democracy, capitalism, the US Constitution, and free, fair, and affordable commerce and common sense demands.

Demanding every Business Owner and Stockholder, corporation, farmer, business, outsourcer sweatshop, and nonprofit, tax-exempt, organization and Church; markets the cost in the wholesale and retail price of his or her product and service; of every worker, consumer, and taxpayer's wages (union contract), healthcare, pension, investment and independent business profit.

This enables every worker, consumer, and taxpayer to pay healthcare insurance premium or pay healthcare provider. Pay ALL taxes and pay for every product and service they use for life. With money derived from wages, investment profit, and independent business profit.

And enables every parent to educate, love, nurse, nurture, discipline, protect, and provide; for every child (job) they conceive. And fund schools, infrastructure, local and national security, government services, and etc.; with money derived from wages, investment profit, and independent business profit.

That holds Union workers, consumers, taxpayers, and America’s grandchildren’s children, Government employees, Parents, Teachers, Veterans, Police, Firemen, and Fathers disqualified for affirmative action with white skin, Representatives deny Collective Bargaining Rights accountable.

To fund Illegal drug users and Immigrants, lottery, casino, and keno losers, unemployed Union workers replaced with nonunion workers, Human Traffickers, waitresses that pander for life for $2.00 per hour, slaves in tax abated enterprise zones, low-income child labor, consumers, and taxpayers, volunteers without wages, and nonunion workers willing to work for fewer wages than they can afford life. That pays with welfare checks, food stamps, housing vouchers, and Medicaid.

Pay property tax on state appraised value of their American Dream to fund schools. Pay bank interest on purchase price of American Dream for 30 years. Pay interest on lottery winners winnings Legislators invest in school bonds, Pay for all stimulus packages, tax abatements, tax incentives, tax refunds, tax credit, and tax exemptions.

Pay sales tax on the more stock dividends (money) OPEC Nations, Enron Stockholders, Wal-Mart Stockholders, Hillarys, Chinese, Foreign and Domestic Investors and Stockholders (money marketers) market quarterly. In the wholesale and retail price of every product and service Human Beings use for life. And School Boards and Government needs to build, maintain and operate schools, infrastructure, and provide local and national security, and Government services. That gets only product or service.

Needed to measure and maintain the strength and growth of this UNAFFORDABLE economy and distribute money Human Beings cannot digest, burn in internal combustion engines, or burn to heat and cool their American Dream. Into OPEC Nations, Enron Stockholders, Wal-Mart Stockholders, Hillarys, Chinese, Foreign and Domestic Investors and Stockholders portfolios.

America’s grandchildren’s children cannot afford life and pay Ohio’s $1.35 trillion budget deficit, the $40 trillion social security and the $16 trillion national debt. With the $7.25 per hour Government mandated labor wage in a hundred million years. Is none of Us the Government business!
Wait what

Dublin, OH

#156 Feb 3, 2013
FKA Reader wrote:
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Well, SL, you do havea history of bringing up personal anecdotes--frequently questionable as to the facts--to support your views.
And in this case your view is that corruption falls on the side of minority contracting and those of the Democratic persuasion. Our current, black and Democratic, Mayor had a lot of clean-up when he came into office as a direct result of poor construction funded by the City--hampered by cronyism and cutting corners.
No cronyism or cutting corners by a black Democrat?

“Larchmont's Leading Citizen”

Since: Dec 12

Hilliard, OH

#157 Feb 3, 2013
Wait what wrote:
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No cronyism or cutting corners by a black Democrat?
I'm sure his ex-wife didn't go to prison simply out of the kindness of Ron O'Brien's heart.../sarc
Enzyte Bob

Blacklick, OH

#158 Feb 3, 2013
Seriouslady wrote:
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It doesn't matter, Bob. She's just got her panties in a twist because I said 'political or MINORITY owned.' Must not say 'minority' or God, forbid, they sometimes do shoddy work. bb knows how contracts go.
I will say this, and I've said it before, my husband's two Mexicans are the hardest workers he has and never any problems with them.
Columbus schools had such an issue recently where a minority architect was given some makework to do the architectural work on a new school
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The reason the Columbus schools wanted to fire the architect on a $26 million project changed today with a new allegation that he kept secret that a major partner had left the project, making him unqualified for the work.

That information wasn’t provided to the Columbus Board of Education last week or even to the committee that recommended to the board that Tony Udeagbala and his architectural firm, Machisa Design Services, be fired from the Indianola Middle School project. The district will pay him more than $700,000 for work he has completed.

...

Today, Olshavsky told members of a citizen oversight committee and some board members that Machisa wasn’t qualified to do such a complicated job after the firm parted ways with its major design partner, global construction-services firm URS.
Udeagbala was in charge of the $1.6 million design,“but URS is going to do this job,” was the understanding when Machisa was hired, said George Acock, an architect who is on the oversight panel and helped select Machisa. URS was to receive about 70 percent of the fees.

By itself, Machisa “did not have any relevant experience for this type of project,” Olshavsky said. After URS left the team in late 2010, the project “was an accident waiting to happen,” she said. The district wasn’t informed that URS had left until June 2011, in violation of the contract, Olshavsky said.

The district then tried to help Machisa partner with architectural firm Moody Nolan, but that deal fell apart in mid-December, Olshavsky said. She notified Udeagbala in January of her intent to fire him.

Architect Curtis Moody said last night that the deal fell through because Udeagbala insisted that no one from Moody Nolan speak directly to anyone from the district.“That is not something that anybody does,” Moody said.

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Udeagbala is black. His firm employs three architects besides himself, he said.

The district’s “local economically disadvantaged enterprise” program, known as LEDE, seeks to help socially and economically disadvantaged people participate in district contracts,“including African-Americans, Hispanic Americans, Native Americans, women and others,” the policy says. Because of federal case law, the program sets only race- and gender-neutral goals for participation.

...

Wiles said the administration withheld the full story from the board and the committee that recommended firing Machisa to save face and mitigate any potential legal challenge by Udeagbala.

http://www.dispatch.com/content/stories/local...

Since: Oct 10

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#159 Feb 3, 2013
FKA Reader wrote:
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Well, SL, you do havea history of bringing up personal anecdotes--frequently questionable as to the facts--to support your views.
And in this case your view is that corruption falls on the side of minority contracting and those of the Democratic persuasion. Our current, black and Democratic, Mayor had a lot of clean-up when he came into office as a direct result of poor construction funded by the City--hampered by cronyism and cutting corners.
I am not local. I have no idea what political persuasion or race the mayor of Columbus is. Nor do I care.

Reader, you've probably have not spent much time outside your neighborhood, a weeks vacation here or there when you were younger. And, likely, you've worked with the same people for your entire career, not interacted with the public or anyone outside of your immediate employer and perhaps some satellite offices.

That is not the case with me.

Since: Oct 10

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#160 Feb 3, 2013
Enzyte Bob wrote:
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Columbus schools had such an issue recently where a minority architect was given some makework to do the architectural work on a new school
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The reason the Columbus schools wanted to fire the architect on a $26 million project changed today with a new allegation that he kept secret that a major partner had left the project, making him unqualified for the work.
That information wasn’t provided to the Columbus Board of Education last week or even to the committee that recommended to the board that Tony Udeagbala and his architectural firm, Machisa Design Services, be fired from the Indianola Middle School project. The district will pay him more than $700,000 for work he has completed.
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Today, Olshavsky told members of a citizen oversight committee and some board members that Machisa wasn’t qualified to do such a complicated job after the firm parted ways with its major design partner, global construction-services firm URS.
Udeagbala was in charge of the $1.6 million design,“but URS is going to do this job,” was the understanding when Machisa was hired, said George Acock, an architect who is on the oversight panel and helped select Machisa. URS was to receive about 70 percent of the fees.
By itself, Machisa “did not have any relevant experience for this type of project,” Olshavsky said. After URS left the team in late 2010, the project “was an accident waiting to happen,” she said. The district wasn’t informed that URS had left until June 2011, in violation of the contract, Olshavsky said.
The district then tried to help Machisa partner with architectural firm Moody Nolan, but that deal fell apart in mid-December, Olshavsky said. She notified Udeagbala in January of her intent to fire him.
Architect Curtis Moody said last night that the deal fell through because Udeagbala insisted that no one from Moody Nolan speak directly to anyone from the district.“That is not something that anybody does,” Moody said.
...
Udeagbala is black. His firm employs three architects besides himself, he said.
The district’s “local economically disadvantaged enterprise” program, known as LEDE, seeks to help socially and economically disadvantaged people participate in district contracts,“including African-Americans, Hispanic Americans, Native Americans, women and others,” the policy says. Because of federal case law, the program sets only race- and gender-neutral goals for participation.
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Wiles said the administration withheld the full story from the board and the committee that recommended firing Machisa to save face and mitigate any potential legal challenge by Udeagbala.
http://www.dispatch.com/content/stories/local...
Thank you, Bob. I know URS firm well. My husband has subbed work for them about 23 years. They are a respected company. They would not move forward on a project that poorly designed or unsafe. A fault line can be built on, but you need the best A&E firm and really good site development and underground guys. I've printed it for him to read in the AM.

When Udeagbala lost his partner, he most likely lost most of his bonding ability also. It's obvious he was not qualified.

I also forwarded it to my brother-in-law, who is an architect/city planner. Degree from VA Tech. He opened his own firm, TMA, around 1978-79 and had to close down last year because he had no work, no drawing for the first time in over 30 years. He had to lay off about 15, fairly well paid and talented people, including his son, my nephew.

This article is dated Feb, 15, 2012. Thank you for bringing it to my attention. Perhaps it will catch Reader's eye.

BTW...that was a great super-bowl! We were hollering so much the dogs were barking.

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