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Columbus City Schools do 180 on data scrubbing

There are 60 comments on the The Columbus Dispatch story from Oct 7, 2012, titled Columbus City Schools do 180 on data scrubbing. In it, The Columbus Dispatch reports that:

Columbus City Schools leaders shifted last week from saying they don't know whether administrators were changing attendance records.

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Bob

Kennesaw, GA

#1 Oct 7, 2012
Democrats doing what they do best, cheat and lie. As long as they retain power they will do anything including sheating children out of a good education. If you want a good school for your kids, ask the public teachers that have kids where their kids go.

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#3 Oct 7, 2012
The absence of interest in this on Topix (aside from hey now's use of the opportunty to say nasty things that are totally unrelated) is striking.

After all--the majority of Franklin County children are educated in CCS, as by far the largest district in the area. If the majority of students are being poorly educated, this should impact business, crime, drain on public resources, all kinds of things that people care about, right?

Why so little interest? Can it be because CCS still fills a need that the the suburban sheeples have been trained not to see? Is it possible that CCS is intended, designed, to do exactly what it is doing, which is to hand out mediocre education, which only serves the purpose of "sorting" those who can rise above from those whose only life-option is to be consumers?

Is Gene Harris, for all her loathsome excuse-making, merely a "pawn in the game," as Dylan sang?

Can it be that the lack of interest here in this story is that so many have bought into the "I got mine" business model of sociological improvement? In other words, without CCS guaranteed to limit the progress of a large group of children, a lot of merely averge kids out in the burbs (and their parents) might have a real run for their money when it comes to college and jobs? We know that many have already swallowed the myth that blacks, women, native Americans, Hispanics and others only succeed because they are given an unfair advantage through "Affirmative Action" (as it was understood to be three decades ago--despite numerous judicial changes since that time).

Is the lack of outrage because so many really prefer that urban districts remain places to run from--leaving behind a sizeable segment who would otherwise be competitors?

Cleavon Little

Since: Sep 12

Hilliard, OH

#4 Oct 7, 2012
FKA Reader wrote:
The absence of interest in this on Topix (aside from hey now's use of the opportunty to say nasty things that are totally unrelated) is striking.
After all--the majority of Franklin County children are educated in CCS, as by far the largest district in the area. If the majority of students are being poorly educated, this should impact business, crime, drain on public resources, all kinds of things that people care about, right?
Why so little interest? Can it be because CCS still fills a need that the the suburban sheeples have been trained not to see? Is it possible that CCS is intended, designed, to do exactly what it is doing, which is to hand out mediocre education, which only serves the purpose of "sorting" those who can rise above from those whose only life-option is to be consumers?
Is Gene Harris, for all her loathsome excuse-making, merely a "pawn in the game," as Dylan sang?
Can it be that the lack of interest here in this story is that so many have bought into the "I got mine" business model of sociological improvement? In other words, without CCS guaranteed to limit the progress of a large group of children, a lot of merely averge kids out in the burbs (and their parents) might have a real run for their money when it comes to college and jobs? We know that many have already swallowed the myth that blacks, women, native Americans, Hispanics and others only succeed because they are given an unfair advantage through "Affirmative Action" (as it was understood to be three decades ago--despite numerous judicial changes since that time).
Is the lack of outrage because so many really prefer that urban districts remain places to run from--leaving behind a sizeable segment who would otherwise be competitors?
No Reader, we don't fear you people and your pets. It's just fun to watch your sainted urban district implode. Couldn't happen to a nicer bunch of scam artists, black racists, white-guilters and assorted criminals.

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#6 Oct 7, 2012
yeah baby wrote:
<quoted text> this should impact business, crime, drain on public resources,..
Check. Check. And Check for the trifecta. Only a filthy progressive like you would think(ha!) that posing a ridiculous rhetorical question would make vanish the very real cancers that you list. And this care you reference...ya know, once you filthy progressives take from the producers the taxes which you then waste, we're off the hook for caring. And the only sensible thing to do is to get as far away from the filth you pfhuqqqs cultivate. And competitors? Another progressive dream...all you pfhuqqqs make are parasites.
Has the court ever ordered you for counseling?
Oliver

Springfield, OH

#7 Oct 7, 2012
FKA Reader wrote:
The absence of interest in this on Topix (aside from hey now's use of the opportunty to say nasty things that are totally unrelated) is striking.
After all--the majority of Franklin County children are educated in CCS, as by far the largest district in the area. If the majority of students are being poorly educated, this should impact business, crime, drain on public resources, all kinds of things that people care about, right?
Why so little interest? Can it be because CCS still fills a need that the the suburban sheeples have been trained not to see? Is it possible that CCS is intended, designed, to do exactly what it is doing, which is to hand out mediocre education, which only serves the purpose of "sorting" those who can rise above from those whose only life-option is to be consumers?
Is Gene Harris, for all her loathsome excuse-making, merely a "pawn in the game," as Dylan sang?
Can it be that the lack of interest here in this story is that so many have bought into the "I got mine" business model of sociological improvement? In other words, without CCS guaranteed to limit the progress of a large group of children, a lot of merely averge kids out in the burbs (and their parents) might have a real run for their money when it comes to college and jobs? We know that many have already swallowed the myth that blacks, women, native Americans, Hispanics and others only succeed because they are given an unfair advantage through "Affirmative Action" (as it was understood to be three decades ago--despite numerous judicial changes since that time).
Is the lack of outrage because so many really prefer that urban districts remain places to run from--leaving behind a sizeable segment who would otherwise be competitors?
The "lack of outrage" does not exist because this was real reason for White Flight.

What this shows is that the "White Guilt" 1977 Penick vs. Board of Education case was all wrong despite all the things that liberals like you were saying.

Blacks and liberal Whites like you blamed "racism" for the failures of Black Schools like Mohawk and forced busing on White Schools and the subsequent closing of schools like Central and North/Northland and massive White Flight to the suburbs.

Blacks got their way, control and power. What is the result? The Columbus City Schools are like other Black run enterprises like Haiti or Uganda after their White Flight.

Blacks now have no one to blame but themselves for their disastrous lacks of administration and management skills.

Gene Harris is like Idi Adim in Uganda, shown to be ignorant, corrupt and incompetent after seizing control from Whites.

If you (Reader Ms. Liberal) had any integrity you would admit that I am right (for once) and stop using racism as an excuse for Blacks like Gene Harris.

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#8 Oct 7, 2012
Oliver wrote:
<quoted text>
The "lack of outrage" does not exist because this was real reason for White Flight.
What this shows is that the "White Guilt" 1977 Penick vs. Board of Education case was all wrong despite all the things that liberals like you were saying.
Blacks and liberal Whites like you blamed "racism" for the failures of Black Schools like Mohawk and forced busing on White Schools and the subsequent closing of schools like Central and North/Northland and massive White Flight to the suburbs.
Blacks got their way, control and power. What is the result? The Columbus City Schools are like other Black run enterprises like Haiti or Uganda after their White Flight.
Blacks now have no one to blame but themselves for their disastrous lacks of administration and management skills.
Gene Harris is like Idi Adim in Uganda, shown to be ignorant, corrupt and incompetent after seizing control from Whites.
If you (Reader Ms. Liberal) had any integrity you would admit that I am right (for once) and stop using racism as an excuse for Blacks like Gene Harris.
Whoah, stop the spin cycle. I bet you like watching the clothes go around in the dryer even better than TV, don't you?

To suggest that whites left the city following the deseg order (under a white Superintendent and a majority white Board and a majority white teaching staff) because they foresaw an influx of blacks into administrative positions--and some inevitability to corruption--is a pretty hefty saga there, pal.

Whites left the city because they feared a loss of control (neighborhood schools) and a number of things that they associated with going to schools with blacks--dangerous conditions and lowered education levels. Included in that number are probably a few who would simply refuse to share space with blacks under any circumstances. This followed a wave of fears that were exploited a scant decade or two before as open housing laws allowed blacks to buy houses in previously all-white areas. Unscrupulous realtors found that this could bring on rapid home sales (resulting frequently in the turnover of neighborhoods) and engaged in "block busting" before legislatively prohibited from doing so.

If there is any "white guilt" at play here, it would seem to be from folks like you who can plainly see that school segregation remains rampant (by the numbers growing worse in the most recent decades). And you are afraid to acknowledge it because it gives you an advantage that you are not willing to cede.

I am making no excuses for Harris--racism or otherwise. To the extent that she has closed a blind eye or made excuses for her staff children have suffered, and they have been overwhelmingly black. But, I didn't bring race to this discussion--others have.

Why are so many so unconcerned that education is so unevenly distributed here--regardless of whether it is race, gender, socioeconomics or blind random luck of the draw that decides who gets and who does not?
Oliver

Springfield, OH

#9 Oct 7, 2012
FKA Reader wrote:
<quoted text>
Whoah, stop the spin cycle. I bet you like watching the clothes go around in the dryer even better than TV, don't you?
To suggest that whites left the city following the deseg order (under a white Superintendent and a majority white Board and a majority white teaching staff) because they foresaw an influx of blacks into administrative positions--and some inevitability to corruption--is a pretty hefty saga there, pal.
Whites left the city because they feared a loss of control (neighborhood schools) and a number of things that they associated with going to schools with blacks--dangerous conditions and lowered education levels. Included in that number are probably a few who would simply refuse to share space with blacks under any circumstances. This followed a wave of fears that were exploited a scant decade or two before as open housing laws allowed blacks to buy houses in previously all-white areas. Unscrupulous realtors found that this could bring on rapid home sales (resulting frequently in the turnover of neighborhoods) and engaged in "block busting" before legislatively prohibited from doing so.
If there is any "white guilt" at play here, it would seem to be from folks like you who can plainly see that school segregation remains rampant (by the numbers growing worse in the most recent decades). And you are afraid to acknowledge it because it gives you an advantage that you are not willing to cede.
I am making no excuses for Harris--racism or otherwise. To the extent that she has closed a blind eye or made excuses for her staff children have suffered, and they have been overwhelmingly black. But, I didn't bring race to this discussion--others have.
Why are so many so unconcerned that education is so unevenly distributed here--regardless of whether it is race, gender, socioeconomics or blind random luck of the draw that decides who gets and who does not?
At least you admit that "dangerous conditions and lowered education levels" were the result of busing, per your post.

That alone validates the reasons for White Flight.

And not even you can defend someone like Gene Harris who as exploited tax payers and will now waddle off into the sunset with a six figure pension.

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#10 Oct 7, 2012
Oliver wrote:
<quoted text>
At least you admit that "dangerous conditions and lowered education levels" were the result of busing, per your post.
That alone validates the reasons for White Flight.
And not even you can defend someone like Gene Harris who as exploited tax payers and will now waddle off into the sunset with a six figure pension.
No--I said that FEAR of dangerous conditions and lowered education levels DROVE white flight--not that they were inevitable results of deseg.

Recall that the Columbus (white majority) School Board fought against the ineveitability of integration tooth and nail. They had multiple opportunities (many presented by Dr. David Hamlar, one of the minority blacks on the board) to take a gentler path towards deseg, but voted on racial lines repeatedly not to.

You are correct, I have no respect left for Dr. Harris. As regards her pension, well, that is something that the Board may choose to deal with if they can. Personally, I am glad that she is leaving, and regret she is not leaving sooner. And I don't know what kind of deal she may have cut with the Board.

But again, the question that I raise is, why is the "I got mine" attitude so prevalent that our state system of education rests on 8 or so huge urban systems that are not succeeding, each one surrounded by multiple suburban systems doing much better.

Do you honestly believe that your life is not negatively impacted by the overall educational mediocrity that results?
Oliver

Springfield, OH

#11 Oct 8, 2012
FKA Reader wrote:
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No--I said that FEAR of dangerous conditions and lowered education levels DROVE white flight--not that they were inevitable results of deseg.
Recall that the Columbus (white majority) School Board fought against the ineveitability of integration tooth and nail. They had multiple opportunities (many presented by Dr. David Hamlar, one of the minority blacks on the board) to take a gentler path towards deseg, but voted on racial lines repeatedly not to.
You are correct, I have no respect left for Dr. Harris. As regards her pension, well, that is something that the Board may choose to deal with if they can. Personally, I am glad that she is leaving, and regret she is not leaving sooner. And I don't know what kind of deal she may have cut with the Board.
But again, the question that I raise is, why is the "I got mine" attitude so prevalent that our state system of education rests on 8 or so huge urban systems that are not succeeding, each one surrounded by multiple suburban systems doing much better.
Do you honestly believe that your life is not negatively impacted by the overall educational mediocrity that results?
Reader quote: "Do you honestly believe that your life is not negatively impacted by the overall educational mediocrity that results?"

Response: Yes, I believe in the negative impact of a poor education, but the reason for the poor education lies in the "pimp and ho" "gangster rap" culture of the inter-city. This is a culture with little respect for authority, making it nearly impossible for a teacher to teach.

The type of parents who supported teachers were those forced out by the social engineering / liberal mindset of people like you and the results are what we have today.

Put the blame where it belongs on the residents of the ghetto and their lack of solid family values, respect for authority, self control and morality, all values that left with White Flight.

“Hey, Sarge!”

Since: Dec 10

The Milky Way

#12 Oct 8, 2012
Oliver wrote:
<quoted text>Reader quote: "Do you honestly believe that your life is not negatively impacted by the overall educational mediocrity that results?"

Response: Yes, I believe in the negative impact of a poor education, but the reason for the poor education lies in the "pimp and ho" "gangster rap" culture of the inter-city. This is a culture with little respect for authority, making it nearly impossible for a teacher to teach.

The type of parents who supported teachers were those forced out by the social engineering / liberal mindset of people like you and the results are what we have today.

Put the blame where it belongs on the residents of the ghetto and their lack of solid family values, respect for authority, self control and morality, all values that left with White Flight.
Your response was dead on!
When I taught in CCS, the PTA president asked if I would join. I told her to get 10 percent of the 400 students parents/guardians to join, and I will write a check for every staff members including the custodians, for membership.
Sadly, that was a check I didn't have to write!
Tim

Akron, OH

#13 Oct 8, 2012
FKA Reader wrote:
Can it be because CCS still fills a need that the the suburban sheeples have been trained not to see? Is it possible that CCS is intended, designed, to do exactly what it is doing, which is to hand out mediocre education, which only serves the purpose of "sorting" those who can rise above from those whose only life-option is to be consumers?
How dense are you?

Government does not typically be intentionally stupid, conspiracies like Fast and Furious are the exception, not the norm.

And it defies all sense that a left wing Columbus board of education with a likely left wing staff would intentionally be in this conspiracy theory.
Tim

Akron, OH

#14 Oct 8, 2012
FKA Reader wrote:
<quoted text>
But again, the question that I raise is, why is the "I got mine" attitude so prevalent that our state system of education rests on 8 or so huge urban systems that are not succeeding, each one surrounded by multiple suburban systems doing much better.
Do you honestly believe that your life is not negatively impacted by the overall educational mediocrity that results?
Perhaps those 8 systems should be replaced by a free market of charter schools and vouchers for all.

In a large city, with all of the waste spent on public transportation, we don't need a centralized school system.

The urban districts fail because of bureaucratic ineptitude and the culture of the underclass that devalues education.
Tim

Akron, OH

#15 Oct 8, 2012
FKA Reader wrote:
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If there is any "white guilt" at play here, it would seem to be from folks like you who can plainly see that school segregation remains rampant
De jure segregation has been banned since before I was born, and so has "massive resistance".

You can only get rid of "de facto segregation" by more busing, or subsidizing the housing costs of urban poor into the suburbs (I seem to recall this not working and causing the current recession) and/or forcing suburbans to live in the big cities.

What is it that you want?
-More money (we spend the most worldwide)
-More busing (seriously?)
-More section 8 and "housing vouchers"
-Give the Mayor of Columbus the same power over the schools that the Mayor of Cleveland does?

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#16 Oct 8, 2012
Oliver wrote:
<quoted text>
Reader quote: "Do you honestly believe that your life is not negatively impacted by the overall educational mediocrity that results?"
Response: Yes, I believe in the negative impact of a poor education, but the reason for the poor education lies in the "pimp and ho" "gangster rap" culture of the inter-city. This is a culture with little respect for authority, making it nearly impossible for a teacher to teach.
The type of parents who supported teachers were those forced out by the social engineering / liberal mindset of people like you and the results are what we have today.
Put the blame where it belongs on the residents of the ghetto and their lack of solid family values, respect for authority, self control and morality, all values that left with White Flight.
The "solid folks" who left made their own choices. Nobody forced them to do anything.

I would submit that what you know about the parents of Columbus is driven by stereotypes rather than real knowledge. Seeing them as the worst (pimps and whores), as well as the cause of the schoold district's problems, is an easy way to justify the lack of concern for the education of the majority of students in Franklin County.

Talk about white guilt!

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#17 Oct 8, 2012
Tim wrote:
<quoted text>
How dense are you?
Government does not typically be intentionally stupid, conspiracies like Fast and Furious are the exception, not the norm.
And it defies all sense that a left wing Columbus board of education with a likely left wing staff would intentionally be in this conspiracy theory.
Are you suggesting that CCS Administration and staff did not willfully alter records of students in order to avoid accountability for their poor test scores?
Tim

Akron, OH

#18 Oct 8, 2012
FKA Reader wrote:
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The "solid folks" who left made their own choices. Nobody forced them to do anything.
I would submit that what you know about the parents of Columbus is driven by stereotypes rather than real knowledge. Seeing them as the worst (pimps and whores), as well as the cause of the schoold district's problems, is an easy way to justify the lack of concern for the education of the majority of students in Franklin County.
Talk about white guilt!
Underclass culture is what it is. The Chinese were treated like crap when they came here, but now they are amongst the highest achievers.

Why? Their culture isn't degenerate.

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#19 Oct 8, 2012
Tim wrote:
<quoted text>
How dense are you?
Government does not typically be intentionally stupid, conspiracies like Fast and Furious are the exception, not the norm.
And it defies all sense that a left wing Columbus board of education with a likely left wing staff would intentionally be in this conspiracy theory.
It was government that responded to white suburban fears by creating the "win-win" plan, was it not?

It is the state legislature that has been unable to bring school funding into compliance with four State Supreme Court decisions, was it not?

Our current system of "local control" pits school districts against one another, Just imagine if the legislature attempted to downsize the CCS, cutting it into four or five pieces and joining each one with an adjoining suburban district. Think that would fly? Can you just imagine the public uproar?

Yes--governments frequently participate in maintaining institutions that still derive their power from a history of racism and race-based fears. Not necessarily conspiracy so much as the lack of will to see and oppose wrongs.

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Tim wrote:
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Underclass culture is what it is. The Chinese were treated like crap when they came here, but now they are amongst the highest achievers.
Why? Their culture isn't degenerate.
You are chasing your tail there, Tim.

What you don't know about the "culture" of Columbus families would fill an ocean.

Sorta when we used to tell black people that if they would just act more white they could have all the things that white people were allowed to have. Didn't happen, though, until some laws were passed.

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#21 Oct 8, 2012
Boomer7 wrote:
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Your response was dead on!
When I taught in CCS, the PTA president asked if I would join. I told her to get 10 percent of the 400 students parents/guardians to join, and I will write a check for every staff members including the custodians, for membership.
Sadly, that was a check I didn't have to write!
What you don't realize is that the PTA was created as an activist group by mothers bent on educational reform. At the point at which it as most powerful it was attacked and red-baited (around the 1920s). Administrators organized to corral their efforts into only working for those things approved by principals. The idea or PTA as an organization that included the membership of every parent in every school came out of a post World War II suburban mentality and served as much as a social support for stay-at-home mothers as anything else.

The focus moved completely from mother-led reform to school defined fund-raising efforts.

This model is completely inappropriate for families today--with the exception of some upper-middle-class families who view at-home-parenting as a lifestyle choice. Yet, we keep using it as a means to beat low-income mothers up and declare them incompetent.

The research shows that the kinds of "parent involvement" that have the most impact on education are the kinds of things (monitoring homework, discussing school issues with children, etc) that happen at home and are more or less invisible. When surveyed, however, it turns out that low-income parents tend to put MORE effort into these things than those at upper levels. But--good parenting behaviors are not sufficient to transcend a school that is doing poorly.

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#22 Oct 8, 2012
Tim wrote:
<quoted text>

The urban districts fail because of bureaucratic ineptitude and the culture of the underclass that devalues education.
Really?

You got any research to back that up, or is that just your bias?

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