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Dec 11, 2013
 
tranpsosition wrote:
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Capital still exists in all real world systems I've ever encountered, as does the private holding of capital in some form and giving on both local and international levels.
Can you think of any real world examples of non-capitialist systems in which capital ceased to exist?
could you ask anymore stupid of a question?? No.

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Dec 11, 2013
 
d pantz wrote:
I don't hate you T.M., but I really don't like you either. Not as much as I dislike the obamabots , but.....do you own your house or does the bank? Your automobiles? There are people who work they're whole life and stay "poor"...we pay more taxes on scale than billionaires..
I feel the same way about you.
I don't believe in beating up on the affluent unless they're flaming hypocrites. When a Kennedy or Pelosi tell us that we need to pay more to support their voting base, I'm all over them. When Biden tells morons that people like me are going to "put them back in chains" with my vote, but he can't manage to part with one percent of his income for charity, I'm all over him.
When Romney doesn't advocate theft from those who work and gives millions a year to charity, I give him a pass. I tend to give leftist business types a pass as well...Bill Gates is a tool, but he employs a lot of people and drives the economy.
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tranpsosition wrote:
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You can't think of a single real world example?
I rather firmly think that capital, charity and most formal exchange formats continue to exist in real world non-capitalist contexts but would be really interested in hearing if you can think of any where these concepts wouldn't have exist or don't currently exist!
can you tell us a real life situation where the "capital" appears from thin air? Didn't think so.
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Dec 11, 2013
 
tranpsosition wrote:
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I want an example of your claims, as they could be quite interesting.
You've claimed that charity doesn't exist in non-capitalist systems, due to the lack of capital and the ability of individuals to exercise movement over capital. I would love for this to be something you could come up with any sort of concrete example of as I think it would be wonderfully interesting. If you're not able to think of real world examples, I would still love to have a conversation about how charity and the concept of capital might or might not be possible in an abstract non-capitalist system.
um, you make no sense and have no point. You don't even ask the right question. Let's ask him to name a system where "capital" doesn't exist right after you tell us how it magically appears....
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tranpsosition wrote:
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You can't think of a single real world example?
I rather firmly think that capital, charity and most formal exchange formats continue to exist in real world non-capitalist contexts but would be really interested in hearing if you can think of any where these concepts wouldn't have exist or don't currently exist!
what? Its either earned or its taken. What's the alternative?????

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Dec 11, 2013
 
d pantz wrote:
<quoted text> what? Its either earned or its taken. What's the alternative?????
Given freely?
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Given freely?
sorry, before that, how does it come about?

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d pantz wrote:
<quoted text> can you tell us a real life situation where the "capital" appears from thin air? Didn't think so.
In both real world and abstract capitalist and Marxist systems capital lies in two key states. natural capital is capital that exists independent of labor, which one might argue appears from thin air, though the ability to unlock the value in this capital is generally tied to systems of ownership which vary slightly in the two systems we’re examining.

Non-natural capital as an economic concept is a larger umbrella of capital constructs that covers a laundry list of asset types but is generally understood to include non-liquid assets to which value is added through production or refining. Both capitalist and Marxist systems involve the production of capital through the same processes, through control of those processes, the original means of production (which is often viewed a form of capital itself) and distribution of capital arising from the same processes differs.

In instances where the capital in question is not natural, the capital is created through labor in both systems.

I hope this helps make the nature and source of capital in these systems make a bit more sense. Let me know if you have any further questions.

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