New Pope denounces Capitalism...Right...

“Ludibrium est onus genio”

Since: Dec 11

Planet Earth

#186 Dec 10, 2013
wiseAfricanAmerican wrote:
<quoted text>And that is why it is said that the US is the greatest country in the world! What would we become if children with distended bellies begged on the sidewalk in front of Wall Street. Or people walked right over an abandoned baby screaming in the gutter as if it's not there. Is that what the hard right would like to see? No social safety net whatsoever? 100% dog- eat- dog individualism? I'd say no more poor or working poor fight in US wars, not one red penny be taken from the poor in taxes of any kind, and religious organizations be taxed 75% of their "profits" and given to the destitute, because they're not feeding, housing, or clothing the mass majority of poor people as they are called by Jesus to do.
We have a social safety net system because the religious organizations cannot and will not take action to help poor and suffering people on a massive level from the tithes and offerings of their members.
Perhaps more would be donated if less were taxed. OF course, we both know why the left doesn't WANT voluntary charity... because they don't want anybody besides them deciding just who the needy (as opposed to the fakers and scammers) really are.
Someone like you would strongly protest that ideology. The money should continue to support the private jets,$1,000 dollar suits,$3.5 million dollar mansions,$50,000 dollar cars, and so- called missionary trips to preach dependence on the great white god in the sky, while they fly back to the US in private jets and eat a steak and lobster dinner.
I ditto what Artist said... and add that it's none of your effen business what someone else does with the money they earned unless they choose to make it your business.
Conservative

Springfield, OH

#187 Dec 10, 2013
wiseAfricanAmerican wrote:
<quoted text>And that is why it is said that the US is the greatest country in the world! What would we become if children with distended bellies begged on the sidewalk in front of Wall Street. Or people walked right over an abandoned baby screaming in the gutter as if it's not there. Is that what the hard right would like to see? No social safety net whatsoever? 100% dog- eat- dog individualism? I'd say no more poor or working poor fight in US wars, not one red penny be taken from the poor in taxes of any kind, and religious organizations be taxed 75% of their "profits" and given to the destitute, because they're not feeding, housing, or clothing the mass majority of poor people as they are called by Jesus to do.
We have a social safety net system because the religious organizations cannot and will not take action to help poor and suffering people on a massive level from the tithes and offerings of their members. Someone like you would strongly protest that ideology. The money should continue to support the private jets,$1,000 dollar suits,$3.5 million dollar mansions,$50,000 dollar cars, and so- called missionary trips to preach dependence on the great white god in the sky, while they fly back to the US in private jets and eat a steak and lobster dinner.
As you know, what you described does not exist. People give generously. In many cases more than what the so-called government contributes especially if you count the millions of volunteer hours whether that be daily or during disasters. Who is the primary contributor to soup kitchens, food pantries? Don't our religious communities offer many worth while support systems?

As described above we offer short term relief not a lifestyle and that's how it should be.

Once the poor join the ranks of our military they are no longer considered poor, they have a job and the respect of others, earning their way in life.

No taxes are being taken from the poor now. Roughly 47% of Americans pay no taxes. That may include you. Many of the so-called poor receive in the form of a tax refund MORE than they paid in and that has always escaped me as to how that can be allowed to exist.

Religious Organizations are non profit.

So as you can see what you dream should exist already does and what have we gained?

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#188 Dec 10, 2013
TonyD2 wrote:
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Perhaps more would be donated if less were taxed. OF course, we both know why the left doesn't WANT voluntary charity... because they don't want anybody besides them deciding just who the needy (as opposed to the fakers and scammers) really are.
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I ditto what Artist said... and add that it's none of your effen business what someone else does with the money they earned unless they choose to make it your business.
Both of you failed in reading that I was referring to mega churches and the pastors (Bishops) who live like kings from working member's tithes. Did you skip that part and go into defend the greedy capitalists mode. I'm not talking about private business people.

“Ludibrium est onus genio”

Since: Dec 11

Planet Earth

#189 Dec 10, 2013
wiseAfricanAmerican wrote:
<quoted text>Both of you failed in reading that I was referring to mega churches and the pastors (Bishops) who live like kings from working member's tithes.
The leaders of many charitable organizations are paid. No different than a CEO.

“Ludibrium est onus genio”

Since: Dec 11

Planet Earth

#190 Dec 10, 2013
And there you go concerning yourself with what other people make again...

Unless you're paying it, it's NOYB.

“Meh.”

Since: Aug 10

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#191 Dec 11, 2013
TonyD2 wrote:
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I'm talking about real life... you can't give anything to anybody unless you have it (or take it from someone else) to give. In the case of taking it from someone else, I would submit that isn't even REALLY charity, because charity implies a VOLUNTARY giving.
Capital still exists in all real world systems I've ever encountered, as does the private holding of capital in some form and giving on both local and international levels.

Can you think of any real world examples of non-capitialist systems in which capital ceased to exist?

“Ludibrium est onus genio”

Since: Dec 11

Planet Earth

#192 Dec 11, 2013
tranpsosition wrote:
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Capital still exists in all real world systems I've ever encountered, as does the private holding of capital in some form and giving on both local and international levels.
Can you think of any real world examples of non-capitialist systems in which capital ceased to exist?
Certainly not in a country that takes it away from one by force to give to another.
dunadd

Greensboro, NC

#193 Dec 11, 2013
capitalism is not a governing system but a system to make money, money being something it takes to operate any type of governing system, all forms of governing have to use capitalism in its system to make money to operate which is why such wonderful communist systems such as Viet Nam have to use the capitalist system to make money to operate such things as their nonexistent extermination camps they so aptly name reeducation camps.
All that in one sentence without taking a breath. I realise it ain't the world's record but I'm good at it. Learned from my mother.
PS there aren't any noncapitalist systems in which capital ceased to exist and never will be.
I voted Vladimir Putin to be man of the year. Does that make me a Nazi?

“Meh.”

Since: Aug 10

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#194 Dec 11, 2013
TonyD2 wrote:
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Certainly not in a country that takes it away from one by force to give to another.
You can't think of a single real world example?

I rather firmly think that capital, charity and most formal exchange formats continue to exist in real world non-capitalist contexts but would be really interested in hearing if you can think of any where these concepts wouldn't have exist or don't currently exist!
Conservative

Springfield, OH

#195 Dec 11, 2013
wiseAfricanAmerican wrote:
<quoted text>African Americans are being destroyed by this concept of individualism. That is a foreign concept to people who lived communally for thousands of years. We see Black individuals who amass great wealth but do nothing to re-educate a young urban mind to see himself or herself, more than what they're exexpected in society to be. We have multimillion dollar rappers who care shitless about a young urban male heading into trouble and prison. God did not allow these people wealth just to become selfish capitalist individuals that some whites are taught to be. Oprah, and many other Chicago wealthy Blacks are useless in that city because of that individualist ideology. It's the same for the Black conservatives...I got mine phuck the rest of ya.
To still be affected that people who lived communally for thousands of years in another country and compare that to Americans today who for generations never knew or lived communally suggests you think it's a genetic makeup.

Why does anyone have the obligation to reach out and pull someone up by their bootstraps, to show them the way so to speak? Fine if they do but under what obligation?

Many of those you listed came from poverty, some abusive poverty.

I have said it before, Our children pay more attention to example we set than the advice we give.

There will always be poverty no matter the wage. Poverty will just be redefined. If you're at the bottom you will be the defined as in poverty. Poor can be a lifestyle choice or motivation to be more. Only you can make that change.

What can Oprah do for me that I or you can't do for ourselves? Ask yourself, if poor sucks, what do I have to do to eliminate MY poverty, then do what it takes.

4 things need to be done.

Stay in school and graduate
Don't have children till you're married and can afford to have children
Get a job and keep it and don't leave it till you securely have another.
Work as much as it takes to reach your goals and meet your responsibilities.

“Ludibrium est onus genio”

Since: Dec 11

Planet Earth

#196 Dec 11, 2013
tranpsosition wrote:
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You can't think of a single real world example?
I rather firmly think that capital, charity and most formal exchange formats continue to exist in real world non-capitalist contexts but would be really interested in hearing if you can think of any where these concepts wouldn't have exist or don't currently exist!
The difference among capitalistic systems is the amount of VOLUNTEERISM involved. Some people seen to think that stealing what other people earned and giving it away makes them charitable... It doesn't. It makes them deserving of a shotgun blast to the face.

“Meh.”

Since: Aug 10

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#197 Dec 11, 2013
TonyD2 wrote:
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The difference among capitalistic systems is the amount of VOLUNTEERISM involved. Some people seen to think that stealing what other people earned and giving it away makes them charitable... It doesn't. It makes them deserving of a shotgun blast to the face.
I'll take that as a no, that there aren't real world examples, then. That's a shame.

“Ludibrium est onus genio”

Since: Dec 11

Planet Earth

#199 Dec 11, 2013
tranpsosition wrote:
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I'll take that as a no, that there aren't real world examples, then. That's a shame.
You WANT a non-capital system???

“Meh.”

Since: Aug 10

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#200 Dec 11, 2013
TonyD2 wrote:
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You WANT a non-capital system???
I want an example of your claims, as they could be quite interesting.

You've claimed that charity doesn't exist in non-capitalist systems, due to the lack of capital and the ability of individuals to exercise movement over capital. I would love for this to be something you could come up with any sort of concrete example of as I think it would be wonderfully interesting. If you're not able to think of real world examples, I would still love to have a conversation about how charity and the concept of capital might or might not be possible in an abstract non-capitalist system.
d pantz

United States

#201 Dec 11, 2013
Duke for Mayor wrote:
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Close.
Sister-in-Law.
woof
gee.. good thing duke only relies on intellect and not personal meaningless attacks....ROTFLMAO! You loser, get a life! Pathetic.
d pantz

United States

#202 Dec 11, 2013
Conservative wrote:
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As you know, what you described does not exist. People give generously. In many cases more than what the so-called government contributes especially if you count the millions of volunteer hours whether that be daily or during disasters. Who is the primary contributor to soup kitchens, food pantries? Don't our religious communities offer many worth while support systems?
As described above we offer short term relief not a lifestyle and that's how it should be.
Once the poor join the ranks of our military they are no longer considered poor, they have a job and the respect of others, earning their way in life.
No taxes are being taken from the poor now. Roughly 47% of Americans pay no taxes. That may include you. Many of the so-called poor receive in the form of a tax refund MORE than they paid in and that has always escaped me as to how that can be allowed to exist.
Religious Organizations are non profit.
So as you can see what you dream should exist already does and what have we gained?
um... do you know what kind of taxes are taken?? Sorry dude but you're pretty ignorant...unless by poor you mean totally helpless.
d pantz

United States

#203 Dec 11, 2013
I don't hate you T.M., but I really don't like you either. Not as much as I dislike the obamabots , but.....do you own your house or does the bank? Your automobiles? There are people who work they're whole life and stay "poor"...we pay more taxes on scale than billionaires..
d pantz

United States

#204 Dec 11, 2013
"Their whole life" sorry not "they're" correction.
d pantz

United States

#205 Dec 11, 2013
Che Reagan Christ wrote:
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No taking by theft is voluntary. If it were, it wouldn't be theft.
" My contribution to the poor is not voluntary, it's by force thus robbery" therefore your point is that you are completely retarded! Got it thanks!
d pantz

United States

#206 Dec 11, 2013
In other words, using che dumbass logic, you are part of a "consensus" ..........unless you disagree... then you're not allowed to be part of the " consensus".... makes total fat cow sense!

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