New Pope denounces Capitalism...Right On!

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Scheherazade

Reynoldsburg, OH

#1 Nov 27, 2013
I am digging the new Pope. He's forward thinking and a testament to the church looking out for our poor and hungry and holding our capitalist overlords responsible and accountable to the citizenry. this is a tenet of his role in his papacy. I'm VERY VERY anxious to hear what the right wing fundamentalist corporate-loving Rethugs have to say about this.......
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Tuesday, Nov 26, 2013 01:08 PM EST
Pope Francis: Capitalism is “a new tyranny”

"The culture of prosperity deadens us," the pope writes in a document laying out the platform for his papacy
Katie Mcdonough

Pope Francis on Tuesday called capitalism “a new tyranny” and very explicitly called on global leaders to act on poverty and growing inequality.

Francis’ remarks are part of an 84-page document known as an apostolic exhortation, which makes official the platform for his papacy.

The document is incredibly direct in its call for specific, policy-level action to fight institutional inequality rather than speaking broadly and loftily about poverty as some kind of abstraction or something to be addressed exclusively by charitable giving at the community level, as some of his predecessors have been content to do.

[An excerpt:]

How can it be that it is not a news item when an elderly homeless person dies of exposure, but it is news when the stock market loses two points? This is a case of exclusion. Can we continue to stand by when food is thrown away while people are starving? This is a case of inequality. Today everything comes under the laws of competition and the survival of the fittest, where the powerful feed upon the powerless. As a consequence, masses of people find themselves excluded and marginalized: without work, without possibilities, without any means of escape.

Human beings are themselves considered consumer goods to be used and then discarded. We have created a “disposable” culture which is now spreading. It is no longer simply about exploitation and oppression, but something new. Exclusion ultimately has to do with what it means to be a part of the society in which we live; those excluded are no longer society’s underside or its fringes or its disenfranchised – they are no longer even a part of it. The excluded are not the “exploited” but the outcast, the “leftovers”.

In this context, some people continue to defend trickle-down theories which assume that economic growth, encouraged by a free market, will inevitably succeed in bringing about greater justice and inclusiveness in the world. This opinion, which has never been confirmed by the facts, expresses a crude and naïve trust in the goodness of those wielding economic power and in the sacralized workings of the prevailing economic system. Meanwhile, the excluded are still waiting. To sustain a lifestyle which excludes others, or to sustain enthusiasm for that selfish ideal, a globalization of indifference has developed. Almost without being aware of it, we end up being incapable of feeling compassion at the outcry of the poor, weeping for other people’s pain, and feeling a need to help them, as though all this were someone else’s responsibility and not our own. The culture of prosperity deadens us; we are thrilled if the market offers us something new to purchase; and in the meantime all those lives stunted for lack of opportunity seem a mere spectacle; they fail to move us.

“Seven Days In May”

Since: Oct 13

Hilliard, OH

#2 Nov 27, 2013
Scheherazade wrote:
I am digging the new Pope. He's forward thinking and a testament to the church looking out for our poor and hungry and holding our capitalist overlords responsible and accountable to the citizenry. this is a tenet of his role in his papacy. I'm VERY VERY anxious to hear what the right wing fundamentalist corporate-loving Rethugs have to say about this.......
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Tuesday, Nov 26, 2013 01:08 PM EST
Pope Francis: Capitalism is “a new tyranny”
"The culture of prosperity deadens us," the pope writes in a document laying out the platform for his papacy
Katie Mcdonough
Pope Francis on Tuesday called capitalism “a new tyranny” and very explicitly called on global leaders to act on poverty and growing inequality.
Francis’ remarks are part of an 84-page document known as an apostolic exhortation, which makes official the platform for his papacy.
The document is incredibly direct in its call for specific, policy-level action to fight institutional inequality rather than speaking broadly and loftily about poverty as some kind of abstraction or something to be addressed exclusively by charitable giving at the community level, as some of his predecessors have been content to do.
[An excerpt:]
How can it be that it is not a news item when an elderly homeless person dies of exposure, but it is news when the stock market loses two points? This is a case of exclusion. Can we continue to stand by when food is thrown away while people are starving? This is a case of inequality. Today everything comes under the laws of competition and the survival of the fittest, where the powerful feed upon the powerless. As a consequence, masses of people find themselves excluded and marginalized: without work, without possibilities, without any means of escape.
Human beings are themselves considered consumer goods to be used and then discarded. We have created a “disposable” culture which is now spreading. It is no longer simply about exploitation and oppression, but something new. Exclusion ultimately has to do with what it means to be a part of the society in which we live; those excluded are no longer society’s underside or its fringes or its disenfranchised – they are no longer even a part of it. The excluded are not the “exploited” but the outcast, the “leftovers”.
In this context, some people continue to defend trickle-down theories which assume that economic growth, encouraged by a free market, will inevitably succeed in bringing about greater justice and inclusiveness in the world. This opinion, which has never been confirmed by the facts, expresses a crude and naïve trust in the goodness of those wielding economic power and in the sacralized workings of the prevailing economic system. Meanwhile, the excluded are still waiting. To sustain a lifestyle which excludes others, or to sustain enthusiasm for that selfish ideal, a globalization of indifference has developed. Almost without being aware of it, we end up being incapable of feeling compassion at the outcry of the poor, weeping for other people’s pain, and feeling a need to help them, as though all this were someone else’s responsibility and not our own. The culture of prosperity deadens us; we are thrilled if the market offers us something new to purchase; and in the meantime all those lives stunted for lack of opportunity seem a mere spectacle; they fail to move us.
No source...what a shock. Links are like books to you people, aren't they.
Wasn't it just a month ago when you dummies were jumping up and down saying that Francis had changed policy on gays? That came back to bite you. So will this.
Scheherazade

Reynoldsburg, OH

#3 Nov 27, 2013
No sources!?!?! Please...you act like people make up stuff...but I guess that's what you thugs like to do ....Ignore the facts and attack the messenger....here's your source, fool:

http://www.salon.com/2013/11/26/pope_francis_...
Scheherazade

Reynoldsburg, OH

#4 Nov 27, 2013
and since you're so in love with the sources rather than the information, why don't you peruse the Pope's EVANGELII GAUDIUM
OF THE HOLY FATHER
where he shares how our economic system promotes the violence that you so attribute to people of color being stupid, lazy or whatever it is you're using this week:
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59. Today in many places we hear a call for greater security. But until exclusion and inequality in society and between peoples is reversed, it will be impossible to eliminate violence. The poor and the poorer peoples are accused of violence, yet without equal opportunities the different forms of aggression and conflict will find a fertile terrain for growth and eventually explode. When a society – whether local, national or global – is willing to leave a part of itself on the fringes, no political programmes or resources spent on law enforcement or surveillance systems can indefinitely guarantee tranquility. This is not the case simply because inequality provokes a violent reaction from those excluded from the system, but because the socioeconomic system is unjust at its root. Just as goodness tends to spread, the toleration of evil, which is injustice, tends to expand its baneful influence and quietly to undermine any political and social system, no matter how solid it may appear. If every action has its consequences, an evil embedded in the structures of a society has a constant potential for disintegration and death. It is evil crystallized in unjust social structures, which cannot be the basis of hope for a better future. We are far from the so-called “end of history”, since the conditions for a sustainable and peaceful development have not yet been adequately articulated and realized.

60. Today’s economic mechanisms promote inordinate consumption, yet it is evident that unbridled consumerism combined with inequality proves doubly damaging to the social fabric. Inequality eventually engenders a violence which recourse to arms cannot and never will be able to resolve. This serves only to offer false hopes to those clamouring for heightened security, even though nowadays we know that weapons and violence, rather than providing solutions, create new and more serious conflicts. Some simply content themselves with blaming the poor and the poorer countries themselves for their troubles; indulging in unwarranted generalizations, they claim that the solution is an “education” that would tranquilize them, making them tame and harmless. All this becomes even more exasperating for the marginalized in the light of the widespread and deeply rooted corruption found in many countries – in their governments, businesses and institutions – whatever the political ideology of their leaders.
Scheherazade

Reynoldsburg, OH

#5 Nov 27, 2013

“Seven Days In May”

Since: Oct 13

Hilliard, OH

#6 Nov 27, 2013
Scheherazade wrote:
No sources!?!?! Please...you act like people make up stuff...but I guess that's what you thugs like to do ....Ignore the facts and attack the messenger....here's your source, fool:
http://www.salon.com/2013/11/26/pope_francis_...
Why didn't you simply post the loin the first time?
BTW, what that article is opinion, not facts. Being a black leftist, it's no surprise yo can't tell the difference.
And the Pope called UNFETTERED capitalism the problem...that's something many outlets are leaving out.

Pope Francis Calls Unfettered Capitalism 'A New Tyranny'

Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/pope-francis-c...
Che Reagan Christ

Lodi, OH

#7 Nov 27, 2013
Trayvonius Martinez wrote:
<quoted text>Why didn't you simply post the loin the first time?
BTW, what that article is opinion, not facts. Being a black leftist, it's no surprise yo can't tell the difference.
And the Pope called UNFETTERED capitalism the problem...that's something many outlets are leaving out.
Pope Francis Calls Unfettered Capitalism 'A New Tyranny'
Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/pope-francis-c...
Poor Nate. First his wife leaves him. Then his political party. And now his Pope.
Scheherazade

Reynoldsburg, OH

#8 Nov 27, 2013
Trayvonius Martinez wrote:
<quoted text>
And the Pope called UNFETTERED capitalism the problem...that's something many outlets are leaving out.
Pope Francis Calls Unfettered Capitalism 'A New Tyranny'
Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/pope-francis-c...
You ignoramus...please explain how the word unfettered changes the message. Did you by any chance catch THIS part of YOUR source???

In it, Francis went further than previous comments criticizing the global economic system, attacking the "idolatry of money" and beseeching politicians to guarantee all citizens "dignified work, education and healthcare".

He also called on rich people to share their wealth. "Just as the commandment 'Thou shalt not kill' sets a clear limit in order to safeguard the value of human life, today we also have to say 'thou shalt not' to an economy of exclusion and inequality. Such an economy kills," Francis wrote in the document issued on Tuesday.

Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/pope-francis-c...

“Seven Days In May”

Since: Oct 13

Hilliard, OH

#9 Nov 27, 2013
Che Reagan Christ wrote:
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Poor Nate. First his wife leaves him. Then his political party. And now his Pope.
Who was that woman in bed with me last night?
We can't help it of you're not too bright, kid.
dunadd

Greensboro, NC

#10 Nov 27, 2013
Yeah, the Russians, Chinese and Vietnamese understand Capitalism is so bad they are utilizing it to make money for their regimes.
It's always plausible to leftist propaganda to leave off such unimportant words as unfettered.
If one wrote Scheherazade is not dumb, omitting the word not, would that change the meaning? Hmmmm, I wonder!
Happy Thanksgiving, y'all!!!

“Seven Days In May”

Since: Oct 13

Hilliard, OH

#11 Nov 27, 2013
Scheherazade wrote:
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You ignoramus...please explain how the word unfettered changes the message. Did you by any chance catch THIS part of YOUR source???
In it, Francis went further than previous comments criticizing the global economic system, attacking the "idolatry of money" and beseeching politicians to guarantee all citizens "dignified work, education and healthcare".
He also called on rich people to share their wealth. "Just as the commandment 'Thou shalt not kill' sets a clear limit in order to safeguard the value of human life, today we also have to say 'thou shalt not' to an economy of exclusion and inequality. Such an economy kills," Francis wrote in the document issued on Tuesday.
Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/pope-francis-c...
If you can't discern the differenced in meaning when a word like "unfettered" is used, it confirms you're a victim of contemporary urban public education.
Good Lord, what do you people expect a Pope to say? "Greed is good"?
Che Reagan Christ

Lodi, OH

#12 Nov 27, 2013
Trayvonius Martinez wrote:
<quoted text>Who was that woman in bed with me last night?
We can't help it of you're not too bright, kid.
Most likely, your sister.
Scheherazade

Reynoldsburg, OH

#13 Nov 27, 2013
Trayvonius Martinez wrote:
<quoted text>If you can't discern the differenced in meaning when a word like "unfettered" is used, it confirms you're a victim of contemporary urban public education.
Good Lord, what do you people expect a Pope to say? "Greed is good"?
You say absolutely nothing in this response. Again, instead, you attack the messenger. This is completely pure example of your tactics when you've been traounced. Enjoy the trampling, loser.....your own church is against your corporate-loving behind.....
Che Reagan Christ

Lodi, OH

#14 Nov 27, 2013
Trayvonius Martinez wrote:
<quoted text>If you can't discern the differenced in meaning when a word like "unfettered" is used, it confirms you're a victim of contemporary urban public education.
Good Lord, what do you people expect a Pope to say? "Greed is good"?
The Pope is a leftist, Nate. It's ok. So was Jesus.
dunadd

Greensboro, NC

#15 Nov 27, 2013
rich people should share their wealth. Like in give it away?
of course, this doesn't include the Kennedys, Kerry-Heinzs, Rockefellers, nor anyone with a D behind the name or contributes to the Ds, nor votes for the D's.
So the 11th commandment is thou shalt not horde money unless you have a D behind your name or have Dem on your party affiliation. Very good.
Thank God, there aren't any rich Roman Catholics.
I suppose this is why easterners are Orthodox, Greek and Russian, instead of Roman Catholics.
LaPopa doesn't speak for them.
Come to think of it, Pope Francis doesn't speak for me either. I can keep my millions!

“Seven Days In May”

Since: Oct 13

Hilliard, OH

#16 Nov 27, 2013
Che Reagan Christ wrote:
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Most likely, your sister.
And there we have it...a "lawyer" reduces herself to the level of the ghetto black mentality of this forum. Congratulations...they'll be over to have their way with you for the holidays.
Duke for Mayor

Akron, OH

#17 Nov 27, 2013
Poor Paco.

That story has been in the news for a couple of days now.

His Pope is a Socialist who favors wealth redistribution. Quite the conundrum.

Now what shall he do?

woof
Scheherazade

Reynoldsburg, OH

#18 Nov 27, 2013
Oh, and BTW, the word "unfettered" appears inyour Business Insider news article, NOT in the Pope's original document....can you explain again what is opinion vs. fact???

http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/francesco/a...
Duke for Mayor

Akron, OH

#19 Nov 27, 2013
Che Reagan Christ wrote:
<quoted text>
Most likely, your sister.
Close.

Sister-in-Law.

woof

“Seven Days In May”

Since: Oct 13

Hilliard, OH

#20 Nov 27, 2013
Che Reagan Christ wrote:
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The Pope is a leftist, Nate. It's ok. So was Jesus.
Really? How many leftists say this?

Pope: Opposition to abortion isn't 'conservative,' it's result of faith
http://www.catholicnews.com/data/stories/cns/...

As for Jesus, his "liberalism" was radical for its time. Today we call it mainstream thinking. He was a centrist, by today's standards.

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