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Cato on Hagel: McCain, Neocons Completely Unserious

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Enzyte Bob

Blacklick, OH

#1 Feb 4, 2013
McCain & the Neocons Are Completely Unserious - Doug Bandow, Cato Inst.

http://www.cato.org/blog/hagel-hearings-congr...

The Hagel Hearings: Congressional Politics at Its Worst

By DOUG BANDOW SHARE

The confirmation hearings on Chuck Hagel’s nomination to head the Pentagon are mercifully over. His wobbly performance earned derision among neoconservatives, but he responded as they intended to an interrogation that was all about politics, not policy.
Enzyte Bob

Blacklick, OH

#2 Feb 4, 2013
"As I have noted before, Hagel is under fire because he disputed neoconservative nostrums to speak unpleasant truths to the Republican Party. He was an orthodox conservative, including on foreign policy. However, he was an Eisenhower, not a Dubya, Republican: Hagel criticized the debacle in Iraq, urged negotiation to forestall Iran from developing nuclear weapons, and backed reductions in today’s bloated military budget. General turned President Dwight Eisenhower could not have put it better.

But this enraged a GOP that has turned perpetual war into its most important foreign policy plank. Hence the ludicrous attempt to paint him as an anti-Semite. Only slightly less dishonest was the performance of Hagel’s Republican interlocutors in the Senate, who asked the sort of questions which could not be honestly answered without wrecking the political façade behind which legislators on both sides of the aisle hide. His performance was disappointing, but far more striking is the fact that the uber-hawks who badgered him over every past statement exhibited little interest in exploring the most important challenges facing America."
Enzyte Bob

Blacklick, OH

#3 Feb 4, 2013
Full piece:

The confirmation hearings on Chuck Hagel’s nomination to head the Pentagon are mercifully over. His wobbly performance earned derision among neoconservatives, but he responded as they intended to an interrogation that was all about politics, not policy.

As I have noted before, Hagel is under fire because he disputed neoconservative nostrums to speak unpleasant truths to the Republican Party. He was an orthodox conservative, including on foreign policy. However, he was an Eisenhower, not a Dubya, Republican: Hagel criticized the debacle in Iraq, urged negotiation to forestall Iran from developing nuclear weapons, and backed reductions in today’s bloated military budget. General turned President Dwight Eisenhower could not have put it better.

But this enraged a GOP that has turned perpetual war into its most important foreign policy plank. Hence the ludicrous attempt to paint him as an anti-Semite. Only slightly less dishonest was the performance of Hagel’s Republican interlocutors in the Senate, who asked the sort of questions which could not be honestly answered without wrecking the political façade behind which legislators on both sides of the aisle hide. His performance was disappointing, but far more striking is the fact that the uber-hawks who badgered him over every past statement exhibited little interest in exploring the most important challenges facing America.

Consider the analysis of questions from Rosie Gray and Andrew Kaczynski at Buzzfeed. They counted 166 questions about Israel—an important ally, but more important than every other ally combined? There were 144 questions about Iran. No one wants Tehran to build nukes, but U.S. intelligence does not believe Iran has an active weapons program and there is no evidence that the Iranian government cannot be deterred, as were Joseph Stalin and Mao Zedong. Surely there are options short of war. And is Iran that much more important than Afghanistan, where Americans continue to die, which rated only 20 questions? Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) fixated on Iraq, an invasion that should never have been launched, irrespective of the impact of the “surge.” And from which, if he hadn’t noticed, U.S. troops have been withdrawn.

Nothing else received serious attention at the hearings. Not how to adjust America’s foreign policy to reflect inevitable Pentagon budget cuts, since Washington no longer can afford to police the globe. Not China, including the worrisome possibility of war between Japan and China over worthless islands in the Sea of Japan. Not North Korea and the enduring challenge of dealing with the world’s most malign actor.

Not Europe, which continues to under-invest in the military while relying on America for its defense. Not Africa, where the U.S. is steadily being drawn into more conflicts. Not Russia, which, despite the difficult bilateral relationship, has been helpful in Afghanistan and Iran. Not Venezuela, where the possible death of Hugo Chavez could open up opportunities for reform and engagement with America.

And the neoconservatives claim to be serious about international issues and military capabilities.

Chuck Hagel is eminently qualified to be Secretary of Defense. As my colleague Chris Preble has noted, Hagel’s thinking is mainstream and noncontroversial. Obviously, one can disagree with him on particular issues, such as the possibility of nuclear disarmament. However, the president still will make the ultimate decisions. Hagel will bring a fresh perspective to administration discussions of foreign and military policy. That is reason enough to welcome him to the Pentagon.

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#4 Feb 4, 2013
Enzyte Bob wrote:
"As I have noted before, Hagel is under fire because he disputed neoconservative nostrums to speak unpleasant truths to the Republican Party. He was an orthodox conservative, including on foreign policy. However, he was an Eisenhower, not a Dubya, Republican: Hagel criticized the debacle in Iraq, urged negotiation to forestall Iran from developing nuclear weapons, and backed reductions in today’s bloated military budget. General turned President Dwight Eisenhower could not have put it better.
But this enraged a GOP that has turned perpetual war into its most important foreign policy plank. Hence the ludicrous attempt to paint him as an anti-Semite. Only slightly less dishonest was the performance of Hagel’s Republican interlocutors in the Senate, who asked the sort of questions which could not be honestly answered without wrecking the political façade behind which legislators on both sides of the aisle hide. His performance was disappointing, but far more striking is the fact that the uber-hawks who badgered him over every past statement exhibited little interest in exploring the most important challenges facing America."
Remember, McCain was ready to keep us IN A WAR in Iraq for up to 100 years, plus picked twit Palin for VP...he has no cred anymore on anything.
Enzyte Bob

Blacklick, OH

#5 Feb 4, 2013
Kemosahbe wrote:
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Remember, McCain was ready to keep us IN A WAR in Iraq for up to 100 years, plus picked twit Palin for VP...he has no cred anymore on anything.
As you are well aware, I take issue with this whole notion that we have to slit our own throats to protect the Jews in Israel. Hagel has expressed those same concerns, and that's why all the puppets in the Republican party are gunning for him. If you've ever listened to the guy in an interview, he makes far more sense than most others in his party.

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#6 Feb 4, 2013
Enzyte Bob wrote:
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As you are well aware, I take issue with this whole notion that we have to slit our own throats to protect the Jews in Israel. Hagel has expressed those same concerns, and that's why all the puppets in the Republican party are gunning for him. If you've ever listened to the guy in an interview, he makes far more sense than most others in his party.
Don't worry bobby, you are about to get your war..........

You are not going to like the outcome..........

Hugh Victor Thompson III

“Larchmont's Leading Citizen”

Since: Dec 12

Hilliard, OH

#7 Feb 4, 2013
Kemosahbe wrote:
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Remember, McCain was ready to keep us IN A WAR in Iraq for up to 100 years, plus picked twit Palin for VP...he has no cred anymore on anything.
Your boy KEPT Biden for a second term. And you laugh about Palin?
Johnsonville

Cincinnati, OH

#8 Feb 4, 2013
Neocons are scum because they promote Diversity victim cult supremacy as a foreign policy.

By the same token, progressives are scum because they promote Diversity victim cult supremacy as a domestic policy.

Hugh Victor Thompson III

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Since: Dec 12

Hilliard, OH

#9 Feb 4, 2013
Johnsonville wrote:
Neocons are scum because they promote Diversity victim cult supremacy as a foreign policy.
By the same token, progressives are scum because they promote Diversity victim cult supremacy as a domestic policy.
You're like Loren Eberly...with brevity.

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#10 Feb 4, 2013
Hugh Victor Thompson III wrote:
<quoted text>Your boy KEPT Biden for a second term. And you laugh about Palin?
Yep, because Biden's schtick is just an act, Palin actually is clueless.

And, btw, Obama is not "my boy", you racist slug.

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#11 Feb 4, 2013
Enzyte Bob wrote:
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As you are well aware, I take issue with this whole notion that we have to slit our own throats to protect the Jews in Israel. Hagel has expressed those same concerns, and that's why all the puppets in the Republican party are gunning for him. If you've ever listened to the guy in an interview, he makes far more sense than most others in his party.
I agree. The time when anyone idolizes a people, they're gonna get in trouble. Israel has had some major stumbles and we should call them out on it. Hagel's ok with me.

Hugh Victor Thompson III

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Since: Dec 12

Hilliard, OH

#12 Feb 4, 2013
Kemosahbe wrote:
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Yep, because Biden's schtick is just an act, Palin actually is clueless.
And, btw, Obama is not "my boy", you racist slug.
Just an act? Schtick? I'm sure Tyrone Woods' father thought old Joe was a laugh a minute that day as the caskets came off the plane in DC and was treated to remarks about cue balls.
Then there's the family of Curtis Dunn...

Driver In Biden Crash Wanted Name Cleared
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-18563_162-4890564...

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#13 Feb 4, 2013
Kemosahbe wrote:
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Yep, because Biden's schtick is just an act, Palin actually is clueless.
And, btw, Obama is not "my boy", you racist slug.
Biden thought we should split Iraq into three countries.

I don't think Palin is as dumb as the MSM presented her as.

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#14 Feb 5, 2013
-The-Artist- wrote:
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Biden thought we should split Iraq into three countries.
I don't think Palin is as dumb as the MSM presented her as.
At one time in that mess, splitting Iraq into three parts WAS the best idea. When the Sunnis were too stupid to join the government and the Kurds thought their time had come. They're just like you, want their own country.

The reason you don't see Palin as dumb is because you're on her level.

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#15 Feb 5, 2013
Hugh Victor Thompson III wrote:
<quoted text>Just an act? Schtick? I'm sure Tyrone Woods' father thought old Joe was a laugh a minute that day as the caskets came off the plane in DC and was treated to remarks about cue balls.
Then there's the family of Curtis Dunn...
Driver In Biden Crash Wanted Name Cleared
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-18563_162-4890564...
Yawn...beating a dead horse.

Hugh Victor Thompson III

“Larchmont's Leading Citizen”

Since: Dec 12

Hilliard, OH

#16 Feb 5, 2013
Kemosahbe wrote:
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Yawn...beating a dead horse.
No, exposing the vile and sociopathic nature of another one of your boys.
Here's the latest:

Biden Gaffes His Way Across Europe

Today, after attending a UK national security council meeting, Biden said that he was "delighted to do it, I spent half my life on OUR national security council," according to the pool report. In fact, Biden has only been on the U.S. National Security Council for four years--the four years the 70-year-old vice president has served in the Obama administration, and not the 35 years he suggested.

Also in London, Biden praised the tight bond between the U.S. and Britain by calling it an "open relationship." "We have a great relationship, and as you all know, the most open relationship we have with any nation in the world is with Great Britain," said Biden.

Biden also got Portugal mixed up with Poland. The UK Telegraph calls it the vice president's "latest embarrassing gaffe for the vice president."

"Biden has a well-earned reputation as a gaffe-maker extraordinaire, and this speech was no exception. In a key passage on the Eurozone debt crisis, Biden referred to Portugal, as Poland, a mistake subsequently corrected in the official White House transcript," reports the Telegraph, pointing to this excerpt:

We have seen positive steps recently to address the eurozone crisis, with the European Central Bank pledging to stand behind countries willing to launch reforms, and with Greece, Ireland, Poland*[*sic-Portugal], Spain and Italy all taking important steps to put their economies on a sounder path. Governments across the eurozone must also remain focused on growth and jobs. These may be fundamentally European problems, requiring European solutions, but their resolution has tremendous impact on the United States of America and on the global economy.

Similarly, in Munich, Biden mixed up former U.S. senators Sam Nunn and Dick Lugar. "In each of our countries, we’ve had fine men and women who have made significant contributions while they were actively involved in the political process. But many of them, upon leaving that political office they held, recede into private life and their contributions end. I would suggest that Dick Lugar’s*[*sic- Sam Nunn’s] contributions have been as profound from the day he left the United States Senate and public elective office as they have been when he was in public office, and I believe you’ll see the same thing can be said of my very close friend, Sam Nunn*[*sic Dick Lugar]," the corrected White House transcript reads.

And also in Munich, Biden admitted that, while President Obama sends troops to Iraq and Afghanistan, he "doesn't want to go" there himself.

"It’s great to be back among friends," Biden said. "When I say among friends, I mean not only the distinguished guests that are from around the world who have joined us in this conference. I also mean to be back here in Germany, to be back here in Europe. I have traveled over 640,000 miles since I’ve been Vice President, and most of the time the President sends me to places that he doesn’t want to go.(Laughter.) So I’ve spent an awful lot of time with McCain and others in Afghanistan and Iraq, and so it’s nice to be here in Germany.(Laughter.) It’s nice to be invited back.(Applause.)"
http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/biden-gaf...

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#17 Feb 5, 2013
Hugh Victor Thompson III wrote:
<quoted text>No, exposing the vile and sociopathic nature of another one of your boys.
Here's the latest:
Biden Gaffes His Way Across Europe
Today, after attending a UK national security council meeting, Biden said that he was "delighted to do it, I spent half my life on OUR national security council," according to the pool report. In fact, Biden has only been on the U.S. National Security Council for four years--the four years the 70-year-old vice president has served in the Obama administration, and not the 35 years he suggested.
Also in London, Biden praised the tight bond between the U.S. and Britain by calling it an "open relationship." "We have a great relationship, and as you all know, the most open relationship we have with any nation in the world is with Great Britain," said Biden.
Biden also got Portugal mixed up with Poland. The UK Telegraph calls it the vice president's "latest embarrassing gaffe for the vice president."
"Biden has a well-earned reputation as a gaffe-maker extraordinaire, and this speech was no exception. In a key passage on the Eurozone debt crisis, Biden referred to Portugal, as Poland, a mistake subsequently corrected in the official White House transcript," reports the Telegraph, pointing to this excerpt:
We have seen positive steps recently to address the eurozone crisis, with the European Central Bank pledging to stand behind countries willing to launch reforms, and with Greece, Ireland, Poland*[*sic-Portugal], Spain and Italy all taking important steps to put their economies on a sounder path. Governments across the eurozone must also remain focused on growth and jobs. These may be fundamentally European problems, requiring European solutions, but their resolution has tremendous impact on the United States of America and on the global economy.
Similarly, in Munich, Biden mixed up former U.S. senators Sam Nunn and Dick Lugar. "In each of our countries, we’ve had fine men and women who have made significant contributions while they were actively involved in the political process. But many of them, upon leaving that political office they held, recede into private life and their contributions end. I would suggest that Dick Lugar’s*[*sic- Sam Nunn’s] contributions have been as profound from the day he left the United States Senate and public elective office as they have been when he was in public office, and I believe you’ll see the same thing can be said of my very close friend, Sam Nunn*[*sic Dick Lugar]," the corrected White House transcript reads.
And also in Munich, Biden admitted that, while President Obama sends troops to Iraq and Afghanistan, he "doesn't want to go" there himself.
"It’s great to be back among friends," Biden said. "When I say among friends, I mean not only the distinguished guests that are from around the world who have joined us in this conference. I also mean to be back here in Germany, to be back here in Europe. I have traveled over 640,000 miles since I’ve been Vice President, and most of the time the President sends me to places that he doesn’t want to go.(Laughter.) So I’ve spent an awful lot of time with McCain and others in Afghanistan and Iraq, and so it’s nice to be here in Germany.(Laughter.) It’s nice to be invited back.(Applause.)"
http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/biden-gaf...
I'm already reading 3 books right now, sorry, I didn't have time for all that.

Give it up George. I don't even care about Cheney's or Quayle's gaffes anymore.

Hugh Victor Thompson III

“Larchmont's Leading Citizen”

Since: Dec 12

Hilliard, OH

#18 Feb 5, 2013
Kemosahbe wrote:
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I'm already reading 3 books right now, sorry, I didn't have time for all that.
Give it up George. I don't even care about Cheney's or Quayle's gaffes anymore.
They're not in office anymore. Biden is.
And he's so out to lunch that he actually thinks he's going to successfully run for the presidential nomination in 2016...

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#19 Feb 5, 2013
Hugh Victor Thompson III wrote:
<quoted text>They're not in office anymore. Biden is.
And he's so out to lunch that he actually thinks he's going to successfully run for the presidential nomination in 2016...
"Old white men"

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#20 Feb 5, 2013
Kemosahbe wrote:
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At one time in that mess, splitting Iraq into three parts WAS the best idea. When the Sunnis were too stupid to join the government and the Kurds thought their time had come. They're just like you, want their own country.
The reason you don't see Palin as dumb is because you're on her level.
The congressman that thought Guam would capsize, is a D...

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