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6 killed, officer hurt in crash near Ohio capital

There are 140 comments on the CBS News story from Oct 18, 2013, titled 6 killed, officer hurt in crash near Ohio capital. In it, CBS News reports that:

A police car and another vehicle collided at an intersection in Upper Arlington, Ohio, early Friday, Oct. 18, 2013.

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“Zuzu's Petals”

Since: Sep 10

Bedford Falls

#121 Oct 21, 2013
d pantz wrote:
They don't really say if he was responding to a "robbery in progress", do they?
Other articles state that the employees were being held at gunpoint. Sounds like an emergency to me!

“Zuzu's Petals”

Since: Sep 10

Bedford Falls

#122 Oct 21, 2013
Reality Speaks wrote:
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Obama does what his wife says or she beats him.
Him, the children and the dog!

Since: Jan 12

Columbus, OH

#123 Oct 22, 2013
In the early 80's emergency squads in Columbus, caused several intersection crashes because the driver of the emergency vehicle barreled through the intersections without slowing or proceeding CAUTIOUSLY through the light! A Columbus Division of Fire ladder truck, crashed into a bar in Clintonville a few years ago.
The City of Columbus has policies in place for emergency vehicle conduct while passing through intersections:

Emergency exemption statutes typically require operation of warning lights and a siren
at all times while the exemption is claimed.
• Emergency exemption statutes typically require due regard for the safety of others and do not excuse reckless disregard of the safety of others.
Negligence in law enforcement driving is the failure to use the care a reasonable officer would use under like circumstances. Willful recklessness is a disregard of a clear risk of serious harm.
• Negligent driving may result in civil liability against the officer, the officer's supervisor, and the officer's employing agency, although many states grant immunity from civil liability based on ordinary negligence.
• Willful, reckless driving causing a fatality may result in an officer's conviction for felonious involuntary manslaughter, and may disqualify the officer from employment in law enforcement.
In many states, negligence or recklessness in failing to terminate a dangerous pursuit may result in civil liability if the fleeing suspect's car hits an innocent bystander.
Officers who conduct pursuits that “shock the conscience” in the potential harm to the public, risk liability under federal law.
Use of a law enforcement vehicle as an instrumentality of force to affect an arrest of a fleeing suspect may be deadly force. Roadblocks and ramming may be violations of constitutional rights if the use of force is unreasonable under the circumstances.

The gunho cop eager to collar a thug caused the lives of six innocent people due to reckless abandonment and an overzealous pursuit to catch a thief stealing money that is already insured!!! The cop is guilty of reckless and dangerous disregard for the lives of the citizens in the city of Columbus. For that, the officer should be held responsible. NO ONE SHOULD BE ABOVE THE LAW!

Trayvonius Martinez

“Seven Days In May”

Since: Oct 13

Hilliard, OH

#124 Oct 22, 2013
WISE AMERICAN wrote:
In the early 80's emergency squads in Columbus, caused several intersection crashes because the driver of the emergency vehicle barreled through the intersections without slowing or proceeding CAUTIOUSLY through the light! A Columbus Division of Fire ladder truck, crashed into a bar in Clintonville a few years ago.
The brakes failed on the fire engine that crashed into Patrick J's, you moron. And it wasn't "a few years ago," it was ELEVEN years ago.
The fact that you have to dig that far back says something.
As for what happened last week, the driver of the car was 100% at fault, not only running a red light, but stopping in the intersection.
Duke for Mayor

Akron, OH

#125 Oct 22, 2013
Trayvonius Martinez wrote:
<quoted text>The brakes failed on the fire engine that crashed into Patrick J's, you moron. And it wasn't "a few years ago," it was ELEVEN years ago.
The fact that you have to dig that far back says something.
As for what happened last week, the driver of the car was 100% at fault, not only running a red light, but stopping in the intersection.
Was it happy hour?

woof
Enzyte Bob

Detroit, MI

#126 Oct 22, 2013
I can't believe that you guys are mourning the loss of a carload of Muzzies. I thought most of you would be having a celebration about now.

As to the question of whether the armed robber can be charged with the deaths. in certain situations, yes they can be charged with deaths that happen that are incidental to the actual crime. But the elements necessary to pursue criminal charges are highly technical, and as you all know this is not my area of expertise. But even if someone's charged it doesn't mean that the prosecutor will be ultimately successful in prosecuting that charge..

Since: Jan 12

Columbus, OH

#127 Oct 22, 2013
Trayvonius Martinez wrote:
<quoted text>The brakes failed on the fire engine that crashed into Patrick J's, you moron. And it wasn't "a few years ago," it was ELEVEN years ago.
The fact that you have to dig that far back says something.
As for what happened last week, the driver of the car was 100% at fault, not only running a red light, but stopping in the intersection.
Doesn't matter, Nate. The pig is in violation of city policy. Did you not read the post, Poindexter? The cop hand the petal to the metal approaching the intersection.

Trayvonius Martinez

“Seven Days In May”

Since: Oct 13

Hilliard, OH

#128 Oct 22, 2013
WISE AMERICAN wrote:
<quoted text> Doesn't matter, Nate. The pig is in violation of city policy. Did you not read the post, Poindexter? The cop hand the petal to the metal approaching the intersection.
Show me where it says that, Stymie. There is no evidence that any policy was violated. Man up and place the blame where it belongs...on the Iraqi driver and to some extent on the BLACK armed robber.
What is it with you booners and an aversion to responsibility?
Enzyte Bob

Detroit, MI

#129 Oct 22, 2013
WISE AMERICAN wrote:
<quoted text> Doesn't matter, Nate. The pig is in violation of city policy. Did you not read the post, Poindexter? The cop hand the petal to the metal approaching the intersection.
I have to disagree with you here my friend. If you were talking about the Upper Arlington situation, the Muzzies were in the middle of the intersection when they heard the sirens and the driver chose to backup because he thought he was in the way. The cop was turning right on Fishinger Road and that's how the accident happened.

Now to your points given that he was turning right on Fishinger road to get to the McDonalds where the robbery was occurring he had to have been slowing down to do so - he would not have been barreling through that intersection because he couldn't.

It was against the law. The law of physics.

(forgive me if you guys were talking about something else. I haven't been following this thread.)
Enzyte Bob

Detroit, MI

#130 Oct 22, 2013
I stand corrected. Henderson was being robbed not Fishinger. Nevertheless, the cop did the logical thing which would be to swerve to the right. He couldn't go to the left because he thought the driver was going to pass through the intersection. He couldn't go straight. Right was the only alternative. Unfortunately the driver backed up to get out of the way and that's how the collision occurred. It's not the cops fault. And you guys know I would be the first to bash the cops if they were out of line here.

I still can't believe you guys are mourning the death of a half dozen Muzzys.

Since: Jan 12

Toledo, OH

#131 Oct 22, 2013
Trayvonius Martinez wrote:
<quoted text>Show me where it says that, Stymie. There is no evidence that any policy was violated. Man up and place the blame where it belongs...on the Iraqi driver and to some extent on the BLACK armed robber.
What is it with you booners and an aversion to responsibility?
The color of the thug is of no consequence concerning the cop smashing into the Iraqi family. You love the fact that the robber is black because it reinforces your bigotry. The Iraqi was afraid to run the light and in so doing, it caused him his life. I see people everyday who're so afraid to get a ticket they don't use common sense, and they cause dangerous inincidences on the roads.

Trayvonius Martinez

“Seven Days In May”

Since: Oct 13

Hilliard, OH

#132 Oct 22, 2013
WISE AMERICAN wrote:
<quoted text>The color of the thug is of no consequence concerning the cop smashing into the Iraqi family. You love the fact that the robber is black because it reinforces your bigotry. The Iraqi was afraid to run the light and in so doing, it caused him his life. I see people everyday who're so afraid to get a ticket they don't use common sense, and they cause dangerous inincidences on the roads.
Look at the booner frantically running away from his lie about the cop.
Enzyte Bob

United States

#133 Oct 22, 2013
WISE AMERICAN wrote:
<quoted text>The color of the thug is of no consequence concerning the cop smashing into the Iraqi family. You love the fact that the robber is black because it reinforces your bigotry. The Iraqi was afraid to run the light and in so doing, it caused him his life. I see people everyday who're so afraid to get a ticket they don't use common sense, and they cause dangerous inincidences on the roads.
You have a point there. People who spent most of their lives living under authoritarian regimes instinctively fear the cops. They tend to be very law abiding.

Your people could learn a thing or two ...
sidekick

Columbus, OH

#134 Oct 22, 2013
WISE AMERICAN wrote:
<quoted text>The color of the thug is of no consequence concerning the cop smashing into the Iraqi family. You love the fact that the robber is black because it reinforces your bigotry. The Iraqi was afraid to run the light and in so doing, it caused him his life. I see people everyday who're so afraid to get a ticket they don't use common sense, and they cause dangerous inincidences on the roads.
Afraid to run the light? He did run the light. Let us know when the law changes to half-way out is only a lead off.

Since: Jan 12

Taylor, MI

#135 Oct 23, 2013
Trayvonius Martinez wrote:
<quoted text>Look at the booner frantically running away from his lie about the cop.
That's Mr. booner to you, Frankenberry. Your sister didn't call me a booner while I looked down on the top of her head.

Since: Jan 12

Taylor, MI

#136 Oct 23, 2013
Enzyte Bob wrote:
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You have a point there. People who spent most of their lives living under authoritarian regimes instinctively fear the cops. They tend to be very law abiding.
Your people could learn a thing or two ...
My "people" have learned all they needed to learn in dealing with crack ers with whips in the south and crack ers with badges in the north. When they phuck up, the angriest and poorest of us blast' em in the face and deliver molotov cocktails to their vehicles.

Since: Jan 12

Taylor, MI

#137 Oct 23, 2013
sidekick wrote:
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Afraid to run the light? He did run the light. Let us know when the law changes to half-way out is only a lead off.
Do you have a problem with reading, kickstand? That's what I posted, he didn't continue through the light, apparently. He backed up probably while under the red light. He was afraid of getting a ticket so he backed up instead of continuing through it. Dam, you dudes act as if common sense is a luxury.

“Queen of my domain”

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#138 Oct 23, 2013
WISE AMERICAN wrote:
<quoted text> Do you have a problem with reading, kickstand? That's what I posted, he didn't continue through the light, apparently. He backed up probably while under the red light. He was afraid of getting a ticket so he backed up instead of continuing through it. Dam, you dudes act as if common sense is a luxury.
He ran the red light. Period. And then he froze like a fool. He clearly wasn't a very skilled driver, was he? Common sense is becoming a luxury today, clearly few possess it. It should be re-named uncommon intelligence. And the state of Ohio in its infinite wisdom gave him a driver's license? How in the HELL did he get one, this accident demonstrated he had few skills to drive on the roads here...

Since: Jan 12

Taylor, MI

#139 Oct 23, 2013
gokeefe wrote:
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He ran the red light. Period. And then he froze like a fool. He clearly wasn't a very skilled driver, was he? Common sense is becoming a luxury today, clearly few possess it. It should be re-named uncommon intelligence. And the state of Ohio in its infinite wisdom gave him a driver's license? How in the HELL did he get one, this accident demonstrated he had few skills to drive on the roads here...
I thought it was clear that he ran the light, the problem came when he feared getting a ticket and backed up. Like Ebob said, foreigners are confused about our road rules in America. How and why are so many Somalis getting drivers license??

“Queen of my domain”

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#140 Oct 23, 2013
WISE AMERICAN wrote:
<quoted text> How and why are so many Somalis getting drivers license??
Exactly my point. They certainly seem to have an easier time getting one than an American teenager, with fewer restrictions. And you do not need to have proof of insurance to get one, that is only needed when registering a vehicle. If you are under 18, you need co-signer agreement by a parent or guardian and you must take mandatory driver's ed and must file a 50 hour affidavit.

Here are the rules for obtaining an Ohio DL.

http://publicsafety.ohio.gov/links/hsy7607.pd...

The only restriction I see for a foreigner (or anyone over 21 for that matter) is this (beyond producing a passport and required residency/age documentation):

"they may practice driving with a licensed driver 21 years of age or older occupying the seat next to them."

For a temporary license, foreigners don't seem to even be required to take a road/skill test, just required to take the written. Perhaps I'm wrong. I hope I am.

For all I know, many foreigners who come here are likely not even drivers prior to arriving to the States. You can't tell me a Somalian who came here, having NOTHING before arriving here, drove. They aren't even required to take mandatory driver's education, I believe, nor are they required a specific number of hours driving with an experienced person before driving by themselves. If someone finds information to the contrary, I'd love to know.

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