Is 2014 the year for gay marriage in Ohio?

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Robert Johnson-Keeton grew up in a religious community just outside Chillicothe.

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#989 Mar 27, 2014
Reality Speaks wrote:
you forgot Mr. Shotgun who owns the building thinks different than you. Also pays the mortgage, taxes, and employees salary.
And?
Reality Speaks wrote:
and you think you can tell them what they can and can't do with their business. continue on.....it is better than any reality TV, and the final show is this November.
No, I don't. I do think that the state has the right to prevent them from discrimination on the basis of any number of criteria, including sexuality.
Guess what, Reality, the courts have thus far agreed with me.
https://www.aclu.org/sites/default/files/asse...
Reality Speaks wrote:
a business is not a place of public accommodation you idiot.
Actually, guess again. If they open a shop in a public place to sell a product or service, and they do not require private membership, they are a place of public accommodation. Perhaps, you might take the time to understand the law, before you make juvenile claims and stick your foot in your mouth?
http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/42/121...
What's the first item under 7 E?
Reality Speaks wrote:
A business is an income producing vessel for owners and employees, or it would not be there.
And as such, they would be idiots to turn away potential paying customers due to religious, political, or personal bias.
Reality Speaks wrote:
It is a private club, and it is called self employment.
Not so, Reality. No membership was required. The business in question is a place of public accommodation.
Reality Speaks wrote:
As an owner of my house, business, car, or what ever....it is not for you or the public accommodation. Mr. Shotgun says so....argue with him.
Your house and car aren't businesses.
Do you understand the difference between a business and business property and personal assets?
The only reason your house and car might be relevant is if you were being sued as a business that was not a corporation, so your personal assets were undistinguishable from those of the business. Even then it would only be an issue if your were being sued for damages.

On the whole, you don't seem terribly bright.
Xavier Breath

Brooklyn, NY

#990 Mar 27, 2014
Reality Speaks wrote:
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you forgot Mr. Shotgun who owns the building thinks different than you. Also pays the mortgage, taxes, and employees salary.
and you think you can tell them what they can and can't do with their business.
continue on.....it is better than any reality TV, and the final show is this November.
a business is not a place of public accommodation you idiot. A business is an income producing vessel for owners and employees, or it would not be there.
It is a private club, and it is called self employment. As an owner of my house, business, car, or what ever....it is not for you or the public accommodation. Mr. Shotgun says so....argue with him.
Displaying your complete ignorance is really quite unnecessary.

"Place of public accommodation" means any inn, restaurant, eating house, barbershop, public conveyance by air, land, or water, theater, store, other place for the sale of merchandise, or any other place of public accommodation or amusement of which the accommodations, advantages, facilities, or privileges are available to the public.

It's part of Ohio's Revised Code. Check your facts BEFORE you post and you can save yourself much embarrassment.

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Planet Earth

#991 Mar 27, 2014
tranpsosition wrote:
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Could you cite this definition in state or federal law?
We all know what "public employee" means.

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#992 Mar 27, 2014
Reality Speaks wrote:
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you forgot Mr. Shotgun who owns the building thinks different than you. Also pays the mortgage, taxes, and employees salary.
and you think you can tell them what they can and can't do with their business.
Oh, they can... and they do... even those businesses they have no intention of ever patronizing... and they love the sense of control it gives them...

Perhaps someday...
Pappy

Dayton, OH

#993 Mar 27, 2014
Here's what Merriam-Webster defines as public:

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/pub...

1pub·lic
adjective \&#712;p&#601;-blik\

: of, relating to, or affecting all or most of the people of a country, state, etc.

: of, relating to, paid for by, or working for a government

: supported by money from the government and from private contributors rather than by commercials

The legal definition is the second definition.

Judicial activist judges and other leftist use the casual definition of the word, which conveniently supports their totalitarian control over people and their private business practices. They also ignore the fact there is no constitutional basis for a central government to interfere in private business practice, nor does a central goverment have the delegated power to create and grant legal privileges to protected classes of people such as done through their diversity scheming.

The only part of a storefront business that is public is the sidewalk and maybe the real estate it occupies. The contract business is private and is not a government provided accomodation, although control freak leftist will argue otherwise. Leftist morons pretend the government is an unnamed third party in every private contract.

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#994 Mar 27, 2014
Pappy wrote:
Here's what Merriam-Webster defines as public:
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/pub...
1pub·lic
adjective \&#712;p&#601;-blik\
: of, relating to, or affecting all or most of the people of a country, state, etc.
: of, relating to, paid for by, or working for a government
: supported by money from the government and from private contributors rather than by commercials
The legal definition is the second definition.
Judicial activist judges and other leftist use the casual definition of the word, which conveniently supports their totalitarian control over people and their private business practices. They also ignore the fact there is no constitutional basis for a central government to interfere in private business practice, nor does a central goverment have the delegated power to create and grant legal privileges to protected classes of people such as done through their diversity scheming.
The only part of a storefront business that is public is the sidewalk and maybe the real estate it occupies. The contract business is private and is not a government provided accomodation, although control freak leftist will argue otherwise. Leftist morons pretend the government is an unnamed third party in every private contract.
You're aware that Webster doesn't provide legal definitions? They're generally written into the relevant law or code, such as the one that has been provided for you earlier.
Buckeye at birth

Elkhart, IN

#995 Mar 27, 2014
Gay marriage ,it doesn't matter what the people want,the Leftist judges are going to ignor the majority,and pass it no matter what,it's all part of the Obama agenda...They ignored Propsition eight in California,and they are doing thye same in alot of other states as well.They only have three years to destroy America,and it's going to take more then votes to stop this attack on our freedoms,and the halt of this moral decay that this administration is imposing on us against our will.But we must get united,or we fall!!....America is the last place on Earthy where freedom still prevails,but for how long,and what price....we lose,it's gone forever........

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#996 Mar 27, 2014
Buckeye at birth wrote:
Gay marriage ,it doesn't matter what the people want,the Leftist judges are going to ignor the majority,and pass it no matter what,it's all part of the Obama agenda...They ignored Propsition eight in California,and they are doing thye same in alot of other states as well.<Further ranting truncated>
Do I have a right to vote on your free speech? Do I have a vote on your free exercise, your right to keep and bear arms, your right to be secure in your home and papers, etc? Of course not. Do you know why? Because the law has long held that some rights are too important for there to be the potential that a minority could be held hostage by a disapproving majority.

"The very purpose of a Bill of Rights was to withdraw certain subjects from the vicissitudes of political controversy, to place them beyond the reach of majorities and officials, and to establish them as legal principles to be applied by the courts. One's right to life, liberty, and property, to free speech, a free press, freedom of worship and assembly, and other fundamental rights may not be submitted to vote; they depend on the outcome of no elections."
West Virginia State Board of Education v. Barnette
http://www.law.cornell.edu/supremecourt/text/...

This has nothing to do with ignoring the majority (although you might also want to take a look at these http://www.pollingreport.com/civil.htm , and this for Ohio specifically http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/govbeat/w... http://www.dispatch.com/content/stories/local... ), it has to do with providing all people equal protection of the law, as is required by the US Constitution.
Fundies R Mentally Eel

Philadelphia, PA

#997 Mar 27, 2014
Pappy wrote:
Here's what Merriam-Webster
Hey cretin, find a legal dictionary or hire a hom skool teechur to research, "place of public accommodation."

It means something more specific than public, but here we might say "public" to differentiate from "private," as in your house, your house of worship of hate, your personal relationships.

Liberal-activist [sic] judges did not come up with the category of place of public accommodations.

Unless David Duke and everyone to his right is your notion of a proper jurist....
Fundies R Mentally Eel

Philadelphia, PA

#998 Mar 27, 2014
Buckeye at birth wrote:
Gay marriage ,it doesn't matter what the people want,the Leftist judges are going to ignor the majority
You literally need a sixth grade civics class, Jethro. You do not understand the first things about our system of government.

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#999 Mar 27, 2014
Buckeye at birth wrote:
Gay marriage ,it doesn't matter what the people want,the Leftist judges are going to ignor the majority,and pass it no matter what,it's all part of the Obama agenda...They ignored Propsition eight in California,and they are doing thye same in alot of other states as well.They only have three years to destroy America,and it's going to take more then votes to stop this attack on our freedoms,and the halt of this moral decay that this administration is imposing on us against our will.But we must get united,or we fall!!....America is the last place on Earthy where freedom still prevails,but for how long,and what price....we lose,it's gone forever........
You seem a little bitter over there on the wrong side of history...
Basta

Dublin, CA

#1000 Mar 27, 2014
Buckeye at birth wrote:
Gay marriage ,it doesn't matter what the people want,the Leftist judges are going to ignor the majority,and pass it no matter what,it's all part of the Obama agenda...They ignored Propsition eight in California,and they are doing thye same in alot of other states as well.They only have three years to destroy America,and it's going to take more then votes to stop this attack on our freedoms,and the halt of this moral decay that this administration is imposing on us against our will.But we must get united,or we fall!!....America is the last place on Earthy where freedom still prevails,but for how long,and what price....we lose,it's gone forever........
Hey Dufus,you forgot to mention that YOU are NOW in the minority ! What's it like to be in the minority ? Then go read the 14th Amendment to our Constitution you ignorant racist rube ! Constitution trumps bible ! Constitution trumps YOU ! Now go and hate NO more ! In this great country one cannot vote away the rights of a minority no matter how badly you want to !

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#1001 Mar 28, 2014
Buckeye at birth wrote:
America is the last place on Earthy where freedom still prevails
I used to hear this from the less educated quite a lot and always loved it. The idea that America is the only place with never-defined freedoms always tickled me. As if the map just went misty and indistinct at the borders, muddled by the lack of freedom.
Pappy

Dayton, OH

#1003 Mar 28, 2014
tranpsosition wrote:
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You're aware that Webster doesn't provide legal definitions? They're generally written into the relevant law or code, such as the one that has been provided for you earlier.
Not true.

Post the evidence you have that the word "public" is defined as "people" from multiple reputable sources. Your equating of public = people redefinition is illogical based on any common sense. According to your re-definition of the word, a private bathroom could be construed to be a "people" accomodation and therefore a public accomodation.

Public (aka government provided) laws and regulations and policies regularly use PC language that is ambiguous or is doublespeak. If they weren't ambiguous, there would be no need for judges and lawyers; a computer could make judicial decisions instead if public (government provided) law words were not ambiguous. Leftist lawyers and their cohorts in congress often write laws in the US to create ambiguous and unconstitutional law, and do this intentionally to help their diversity cronies and to generate litigious revenue for themselves.

It should be illegal for professional lawyers to be in public law making positions, because it is a inherent conflict of interest. Lawyers make their living litigating law, and the more public (government provided) laws they create are more opportunities for them to litigate and make dirty money.

By the way, haven't you noticed the flock of queers that have descended on this thread, sniping with rating points? I can guess that at least half of these sniping queers are from out of state doing their typical glib sloganeering and cliche doubletalk, and their word-game spouting activities
Pappy

Dayton, OH

#1004 Mar 28, 2014
tranpsosition wrote:
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You're aware that Webster doesn't provide legal definitions? They're generally written into the relevant law or code, such as the one that has been provided for you earlier.
As an example of their word gaming activities, media queers have re-defined the phrase "constitutional freedom" or "freedom" as representing their preferred elective abortion, pornography, fedgov-sponsored AIDS/HIV hysteria, sodomy, and hate speech prosecutions.

The popular queer-created phrase "anal sex" is an oxymoron, implying that their dirty asses and slithering tongues are sex organs.

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#1005 Mar 28, 2014
Pappy wrote:
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Not true.
Post the evidence you have that the word "public" is defined as "people" from multiple reputable sources. Your equating of public = people redefinition is illogical based on any common sense. According to your re-definition of the word, a private bathroom could be construed to be a "people" accomodation and therefore a public accomodation.
Public (aka government provided) laws and regulations and policies regularly use PC language that is ambiguous or is doublespeak. If they weren't ambiguous, there would be no need for judges and lawyers; a computer could make judicial decisions instead if public (government provided) law words were not ambiguous. Leftist lawyers and their cohorts in congress often write laws in the US to create ambiguous and unconstitutional law, and do this intentionally to help their diversity cronies and to generate litigious revenue for themselves.
It should be illegal for professional lawyers to be in public law making positions, because it is a inherent conflict of interest. Lawyers make their living litigating law, and the more public (government provided) laws they create are more opportunities for them to litigate and make dirty money.
By the way, haven't you noticed the flock of queers that have descended on this thread, sniping with rating points? I can guess that at least half of these sniping queers are from out of state doing their typical glib sloganeering and cliche doubletalk, and their word-game spouting activities
It's really true. Legal definitions aren't pulled from Websters. Nor the OED for laws out here. Quest was already kind enough to post a legal definition of public accommodation covering privately held properties, reading:

42 U.S. Code § 12181

(7) Public accommodation
The following private entities are considered public accommodations for purposes of this subchapter, if the operations of such entities affect commerce—
(A) an inn, hotel, motel, or other place of lodging, except for an establishment located within a building that contains not more than five rooms for rent or hire and that is actually occupied by the proprietor of such establishment as the residence of such proprietor;
(B) a restaurant, bar, or other establishment serving food or drink;
(C) a motion picture house, theater, concert hall, stadium, or other place of exhibition or entertainment;
(D) an auditorium, convention center, lecture hall, or other place of public gathering;
(E) a bakery, grocery store, clothing store, hardware store, shopping center, or other sales or rental establishment;
(F) a laundromat, dry-cleaner, bank, barber shop, beauty shop, travel service, shoe repair service, funeral parlor, gas station, office of an accountant or lawyer, pharmacy, insurance office, professional office of a health care provider, hospital, or other service establishment;
(G) a terminal, depot, or other station used for specified public transportation;
(H) a museum, library, gallery, or other place of public display or collection;
(I) a park, zoo, amusement park, or other place of recreation;
(J) a nursery, elementary, secondary, undergraduate, or postgraduate private school, or other place of education;
(K) a day care center, senior citizen center, homeless shelter, food bank, adoption agency, or other social service center establishment; and
(L) a gymnasium, health spa, bowling alley, golf course, or other place of exercise or recreation.

Arguing that a public accommodation means a governmental entity, because governmental is a valid definition of the word public makes as little sense as saying that public accommodation only applies to housing, because a valid definition of accommodation is housing.
Pappy

Dayton, OH

#1006 Mar 28, 2014
tranpsosition wrote:
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It's really true. Legal definitions aren't pulled from Websters. Nor the OED for laws out here. Quest was already kind enough to post a legal definition of public accommodation covering privately held properties, reading:
42 U.S. Code § 12181
(7) Public accommodation
The following private entities are considered public accommodations for purposes of this subchapter, if the operations of such entities affect commerce—
(A) an inn, hotel, motel, or other place of lodging, except for an establishment located within a building that contains not more than five rooms for rent or hire and that is actually occupied by the proprietor of such establishment as the residence of such proprietor;
(B) a restaurant, bar, or other establishment serving food or drink;
(C) a motion picture house, theater, concert hall, stadium, or other place of exhibition or entertainment;
(D) an auditorium, convention center, lecture hall, or other place of public gathering;
(E) a bakery, grocery store, clothing store, hardware store, shopping center, or other sales or rental establishment;
(F) a laundromat, dry-cleaner, bank, barber shop, beauty shop, travel service, shoe repair service, funeral parlor, gas station, office of an accountant or lawyer, pharmacy, insurance office, professional office of a health care provider, hospital, or other service establishment;
(G) a terminal, depot, or other station used for specified public transportation;
(H) a museum, library, gallery, or other place of public display or collection;
(I) a park, zoo, amusement park, or other place of recreation;
(J) a nursery, elementary, secondary, undergraduate, or postgraduate private school, or other place of education;
(K) a day care center, senior citizen center, homeless shelter, food bank, adoption agency, or other social service center establishment; and
(L) a gymnasium, health spa, bowling alley, golf course, or other place of exercise or recreation.
Arguing that a public accommodation means a governmental entity, because governmental is a valid definition of the word public makes as little sense as saying that public accommodation only applies to housing, because a valid definition of accommodation is housing.
You need to try and focus.

I said you and other queer supporters are claiming that the word "public" is equal to "people". I also asked you to post from a reputable source the definition of the word "public", but instead you posted a definition of "public accomodation" from an unamed source that is quoted by a resident queer supporter.

Laws and regulations penned by government sources, especially legislative bodies, are not reputable. There is a good reason that US lawyers and public servants have bad reputations.

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#1007 Mar 28, 2014
Pappy wrote:
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You need to try and focus.
I said you and other queer supporters are claiming that the word "public" is equal to "people". I also asked you to post from a reputable source the definition of the word "public", but instead you posted a definition of "public accomodation" from an unamed source that is quoted by a resident queer supporter.
Laws and regulations penned by government sources, especially legislative bodies, are not reputable. There is a good reason that US lawyers and public servants have bad reputations.
While I can't speak for others, I'm trying have you understand what public accommodation means, as that's what we're talking about when we talk about public access as it relates to discrimination.

42 U.S. Code § 12181 is itself a citation and should be easily identifiable as such. If you prefer a link to the context, http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/42/121... has greater detail

I have no idea how to supply you with a legal definition if you're not willing to accept legal definitions created, supported or enforced by the legal system. I doubt very strongly that anyone will be likely to provide you a working legal definition independent of a legal system, but would be interested to see if anyone else can turn something up.

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Defiance, Ohio

#1008 Mar 28, 2014
Pappy wrote:
You need to try and focus.
I said you and other queer supporters are claiming that the word "public" is equal to "people". I also asked you to post from a reputable source the definition of the word "public", but instead you posted a definition of "public accomodation" from an unamed source that is quoted by a resident queer supporter.
Are you always this stupid, or just on Fridays?
Pappy wrote:
Laws and regulations penned by government sources, especially legislative bodies, are not reputable.
They are, nonetheless, the law. If you don't like that, you have the first amendment right to petition the government for redress of grievances, however my suspicion is that you would rather troll online commenting forums than do anything productive.
Pappy wrote:
There is a good reason that US lawyers and public servants have bad reputations.
And there is a good reason why internet trolls are not worthy of notice.

Grow up, kiddo.
Reality Speaks

Columbus, OH

#1009 Mar 28, 2014
tranpsosition wrote:
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While I can't speak for others, I'm trying have you understand what public accommodation means, as that's what we're talking about when we talk about public access as it relates to discrimination.
42 U.S. Code § 12181 is itself a citation and should be easily identifiable as such. If you prefer a link to the context, http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/42/121... has greater detail
I have no idea how to supply you with a legal definition if you're not willing to accept legal definitions created, supported or enforced by the legal system. I doubt very strongly that anyone will be likely to provide you a working legal definition independent of a legal system, but would be interested to see if anyone else can turn something up.
discrimination......and you the tornado spinning.

is it discrimination to force by law a property owner not to smoke in his own building? how about car, or home?

how about forcing an employer provide insurance, or pay a specific wage?

how about taxation where discrimination against success is aggressive punishment.

how about married people by a minister in a church before god and family?

discrimination only applies when it benefits you and your ilk, and lawyers can argue for decades billing hours.

how about forcing people pay for abortions and birth control against their religion, and teachings of their entire life?

your biggest problem......the 2nd amendment, and 10% of the population is paying the bills.

rigged elections, massive bribes, public unions electing officials to sign their contracts, and redistribution of wealth schemes, and the nightmare is infinite.

November is going to be a punishment for career politicians. They know it.

Serious treasonous crimes have occurred, and Impeachment and jail terms are on the way.

Laugh all you want, because it is short lived.

By lethal force if necessary......Americans wanting the Constitution enforced and unamended will take back control, and you self proclaimed smartest people on earth will be treated as a virus. You did not think out what you did.

The military is not your friend, and will spit in your face. Expect them to just watch, as Revolutionary war 2 unfolds. This November is little bighorn. You are the self proclaimed smartest general. You also will learn the lesson the hard way unless you start thinking.

In 5 years America is more divided with hatred, than Muslim tribes who have fought the same war for a 1000 years.

Special interest pop culture is being forced into society, and those refusing to accept it are also forced to fund it.

By turning the cheek, we allowed corruption to rule.

Party is over, and cheeks are cut and bruised.

Real parents are going to protect their family at all cost from the parasite class that spins their problems on the religious law abiding hard working citizen.

if you want to keep laughing...can I suggest you purchase a grave plot before they are sold out.

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