the law varies from state to state. The legal definition of marriage is a contract yes, between a man and a woman. Keep quoting it.<quoted text>
"Marriage is a legal contract between two people administered by the government.
Your religion - all religions - are irrelevant to marriage law."
And you asked..."according to whom?"
According to the law, genius.
Or, to put it in terms that even you can understand:
Please name ONE religious requirement for marriage. Any one will do.
#525 Mar 20, 2014
“and how does this effect you?”
Since: Mar 11
#526 Mar 20, 2014
You realize, by definition, legal is something issued by the government. You break a law, you break a law issued by a city, state, or federal government. A legal contract HAS to be honored by the government, if it didn't you wouldn't need a lawyer and the court system for a divorce. My brother got married in a church, he was divorced in a court, LEGAL contract, see how that works?
#527 Mar 20, 2014
then you need to work harder so you can afford more, because things are not equal.
people are being discriminated against by looking at earnings to differentiate the person.
can't do that with color or sex, so how can it be logical by law to do it with income?
also do the the discriminatory action by our government, they have entire agencies to enforce the unconstitutional action.
If all men are created equal, when they start working they no longer are equal.
#528 Mar 20, 2014
diversionary tactics to keep us from real subjects that can result in a better quality of life ?
some morality play that goes nowhere?
It's all about the legality of benefits being given to a partner, not the symbolic, "we can get married and take pictures" junk.
Overreactions or violent reactions to this subject are suspiciously gay in themselves, just let it go,
its just the legality thing that actually matters, and they know it.
Good luck figuring that part out . You would have to legally claim gays to be sub human. This might be a problem in courts no matter how you stand on the subject.
It will eventually cost healthcare providers, states, and the fed government many dollars.
The gay guys do look hilarious smooching it up on the church steps with their beards intertwined... no offense intended but it usually makes for some awkward moments when shown on tv.
Though it shouldnt be as awkward as explaining to your kid why the guy with the machine gun just killed all of those people in the show or in the news.
#529 Mar 20, 2014
Income is not an immutable characteristic. To attempt to compare it to color or sexual orientation is to demonstrate that you have no clue about logic. The cost of food is the same for someone making minimum wage as it is for someone making $85k/year. A flat tax disproportionally affects low income people.
#530 Mar 20, 2014
it also is disproportionally affects those who pay them.
all you want to do is rant about equal rights, and then change your mind about what you really meant.
equality is inclusive....you can't pick extra's out for yourself.
according to you we are doing that now, and just admitted you knew discrimination has been occurring for a long time.
re-defining words disproportionally affects the vast majority of married people in the world.
#531 Mar 20, 2014
explain when couples live together for a certain time period, the courts decision to declare common law marriage?
then alimony payments, child support, and splitting the dishes.
just reminding you of more nanny state government over reaching.
“animis opibusque parati”
Since: Oct 12
#532 Mar 20, 2014
Post #528 reflects the success of this campaign:
Same Sex Marriage:'Thoroughly Tiresome,' by Design
by Doug Mainwaring
[from the book, "After the Ball"]
"We have in mind a strategy ... calculated and powerful ... manipulative ... It’s time to learn from Madison Avenue, to roll out the big guns. Gays must launch a large-scale campaign--we've called it the waging peace campaign--to reach straights through the mainstream media. We’re talking about propaganda (page 161).
You can forget about trying right up front to persuade folks that homosexuality is a good thing. But if you can get them to think it is just another thing--meriting no more than a shrug of the shoulders--then your battle for legal and social rights is virtually won."
Does this all sound familiar? I won't even get into the imperative of identifying anyone who objects to the gay agenda as a victimizer.
Let's return to an earlier statement: "The main thing is to talk about gayness until the issue becomes thoroughly tiresome."
The most recent Pew Poll found that public acceptance of same sex marriage is now up to 54%. Does this really reflect an enthusiastic embrace of the notion of same sex marriage?-- Or -- Is a vast swath of the population just sick and tired of hearing about gays in the news day after day for the last few years?
Maybe they're also sick and tired of irrational accusations of bigotry and homophobia every time they try to enter into a reasoned discussion about same sex marriage. Many who have been shut down for trying to engage in intellectually honest conversation, have concluded, "Why bother? Just let them have what they want. Maybe then they'll fade away."
Fade away? Don't count on it. There is never an end to progressive ideology. Statists never have enough power and control. This will never end until the very institution of marriage is obliterated from human civilization, in which case, we will no longer actually have a civilization.
I'm gay and I oppose same sex marriage because it is not marriage. It is something else. I, too, am tired of being labeled a "self loathing gay" and a "hater." I am not. But I refuse to be silenced by those who seek to manipulate and silence rather than enter into rational discussion.
Silencing techniques -- the modus operandi of the marriage "equality" activists -- will continue relentlessly until one day they discover that strategy no longer works. But it is only each of us refusing to be silenced which will hasten the arrival of that day.
It's Up to You!
In Conclusion, let's go to the book's introduction:
"In all candor, we’re convinced that the whole of our scheme will work as intended. Some elements, though potentially highly effective, will probably be rejected by gays out of hand, because they require too much effort or too much discipline or too much self-restraint or too much money or because, as Oscar Wilde once dismissed socialism, their accomplishment would take up too many nice evenings. To be blunt, we can only recommend. It is up to you, fearless reader, to act (xxviii)."
Remember, this was all written in the late 1980s. Twenty-five years later, this is now wise advice for all who are not “homo-haters,” who are in fact, lovers of all mankind, but who object to the implausible notion of same sex marriage. If you love humanity, and harbor no bigotry, but object to the demand to call two men or two women, married: "It is up to you, fearless reader, to act."
[Read the entire article at above link....]
#533 Mar 20, 2014
no, they aren't. They are notarized by a notary or witnessed by someone with power vested in the state. Courts aren't involved unless the contract is broken. Stop calling people names, you don't know what your talking about.
#534 Mar 20, 2014
that's not Ohio. Unless it. Was honored as a common law marriage in another state or happened more than 20 years ago.
#535 Mar 20, 2014
let's see, she voted for the Iraq war and the haliburton loophole. She a piece of crap neocon and I'm not voting for her.
#536 Mar 20, 2014
he already has them, silly.
#537 Mar 20, 2014
and, if you don't want to get married (for whatever reason) because of a free choice, you're discriminated against. Do you know what equal protection means?
#538 Mar 20, 2014
Ohio eliminated common law marriage 20 years ago.
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Since: Jan 08
#539 Mar 20, 2014
It appears that all you have are your doubts, and you are incapable of offering data to the contrary.
#540 Mar 20, 2014
but if we did that people would have to get married for reasons like "love" and "religion" and not $$$. Plus everyone single or married would be equally protected. We can't have that! It makes everyone equal!
#541 Mar 20, 2014
I guess we'll see!:)
#542 Mar 20, 2014
As you know, Rizzo, the marriage license is what confers the over 1.100 rights and responsibilities. Not jeesus. Not you. The government oversees who gets what government benefits and when, and any disputes get worked out by the government in the forum of the court system.
You're not making a point, troll.
#543 Mar 20, 2014
gay people have the same right. They can run out and marry the opposite sex just like us. They don't want to. Why bother changing the definition of marriage? Just get the government out of it all together.
#544 Mar 20, 2014
Yeah, you're crazy.
Because the nuts arguing that government should not be involved in marriage licenses granting government benefits don't want marriages handled by six year old Girl Scouts. They want marriages handled by clergy of various sorts.
But again, no matter how difficult simple definitions for talibangelicals to understand and accept, this is not a theocracy. We do not let clergy enact bestow government benefits on couples. Clergy may have an ancillary role in marriage, symbolic, but anyone may marry without clergy. The religious component of marriage is purely optional. The license, the state recognition, is not.
No one is really confused about this. You're really just arguing your fantasy polygamy troll again.
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