Smoking ban to go before Ohio Supreme Court

Apr 8, 2011 Full story: Business First of Columbus 21,309

The Ohio Supreme Court on Wednesday agreed to hear a Columbus-based case that challenges the constitutionality of the state's indoor smoking ban, the Dayton Daily News reports .

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#1 Apr 8, 2011
This issue has been decided by the People of Ohio. By large margins, they don't want to be subjected to smoke in public places. Let the will of the people stand.

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Let the owner determine whether he/she wants to allow smoke. Those who don't want to be around it can steer clear of those who allow it.

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#3 Apr 22, 2011
The people voted..Ban smoking in public places!!! This has nothing to do with "big brother" flexing its muscles. Tbe people decided and the goverment is enforcing it.

It is long overdue, those that want a healthier life and lifestyle are starting to stand up and fight.

I want a smoke free environment, I also want businesses to provide a safe, healthy envronment for me to enjoy. I demand it...the people of ohio demand it.

Yes some will go out of business and close their doors only to be replaced by another. The economy is not in our favor right now but it will be someday.

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#4 Apr 22, 2011
Bluejay wrote:
The people voted..Ban smoking in public places!!! This has nothing to do with "big brother" flexing its muscles. Tbe people decided and the goverment is enforcing it.
It is long overdue, those that want a healthier life and lifestyle are starting to stand up and fight.
The PEOPLE?- REALLY?- WHICH people???
Posted in: Ohio Legislature, Updates
Opponents of Ohio's indoor-smoking ban said yesterday that they have uncovered evidence of "massive" voter fraud on the part of ban proponents, more than three years after voters approved the curbs on smoking.
The group, Opponents of Ohio Bans, said the petition that placed the smoking ban on the 2006 statewide ballot was tainted by numerous irregularities, such as 47 felons gathering signatures and signature-gatherers in 77 counties wrongly listing the American Cancer Society as their employer.
The new allegations mirror claims raised during the 2006 campaign. However, opponents of the ban say there's now even stronger evidence of wrongdoing.
"What we found is astonishing," said Pam Parker, co-owner of Parker's Tavern in Grove City and co-chairwoman of Opponents of Ohio Bans. "There are petitions that never should have been validated."
http://www.dispatch.com/live/content/local_ne...
The PEOPLE were blindsided in Ohio - and MOST other ban states.
Just ANOTHER lie from the antismoking movement!!

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#5 Apr 22, 2011
I must say I agree with Rand Paul on this one... let the owner decide. If YOU don't want a smoky atmosphere, don't go inside the establishment that allows smoking, go someplace else and pure economics will decide who stays open.

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Truth B Good wrote:
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The PEOPLE?- REALLY?- WHICH people???
Posted in: Ohio Legislature, Updates
Opponents of Ohio's indoor-smoking ban said yesterday that they have uncovered evidence of "massive" voter fraud on the part of ban proponents, more than three years after voters approved the curbs on smoking.
The group, Opponents of Ohio Bans, said the petition that placed the smoking ban on the 2006 statewide ballot was tainted by numerous irregularities, such as 47 felons gathering signatures and signature-gatherers in 77 counties wrongly listing the American Cancer Society as their employer.
The new allegations mirror claims raised during the 2006 campaign. However, opponents of the ban say there's now even stronger evidence of wrongdoing.
"What we found is astonishing," said Pam Parker, co-owner of Parker's Tavern in Grove City and co-chairwoman of Opponents of Ohio Bans. "There are petitions that never should have been validated."
http://www.dispatch.com/live/content/local_ne...
The PEOPLE were blindsided in Ohio - and MOST other ban states.
Just ANOTHER lie from the antismoking movement!!
Get a grip. This has been decided by referendum not once, but twice in Frankin County alone. Both times it passed by wide margins. Worst case, it'll be voted on again and it will pass again by the same large margin.

Face it, the majority doesn't smoke. The majority is getting tired of bending over for the minority - and I don't just mean smokers. The days of minority rule - no matter how much you kick, scream, and threaten - are coming to an end.

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#8 Apr 23, 2011
Bluejay wrote:
The people voted..Ban smoking in public places!!! This has nothing to do with "big brother" flexing its muscles. Tbe people decided and the goverment is enforcing it.
It is long overdue, those that want a healthier life and lifestyle are starting to stand up and fight.
I want a smoke free environment, I also want businesses to provide a safe, healthy envronment for me to enjoy. I demand it...the people of ohio demand it.
Yes some will go out of business and close their doors only to be replaced by another. The economy is not in our favor right now but it will be someday.
Listen to yourself, I want I want I want, well if you want you should invest your money in what you want just like the private business owners did.

Its not about I want or me to enjoy, its for the owners enjoyment its not for you to demand the owner give up what they work hard for. How about what you work hard for, purchase with your own money..hell we the public wants so roll over and let us kick you around..OK? So you are for the public taking, post your address and we the public will be there shortly to take what we want. See what your selfishness is promoting? Just remember, first they came for the smoker

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#9 Apr 23, 2011
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Get a grip. This has been decided by referendum not once, but twice in Frankin County alone. Both times it passed by wide margins. Worst case, it'll be voted on again and it will pass again by the same large margin.
Face it, the majority doesn't smoke. The majority is getting tired of bending over for the minority - and I don't just mean smokers. The days of minority rule - no matter how much you kick, scream, and threaten - are coming to an end.
The owner was there first and paid the price by monetary and hard work, please state what you did to earn superiority over the owners rights on his own privately owned property?

I say its owners rule and if any of us decide by our own free will to enter the owners privately owned property we will follow the owners rule...what say you?

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#10 Apr 23, 2011
dpx55 wrote:
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Get a grip. This has been decided by referendum not once, but twice in Frankin County alone. Both times it passed by wide margins. Worst case, it'll be voted on again and it will pass again by the same large margin.
Face it, the majority doesn't smoke. The majority is getting tired of bending over for the minority - and I don't just mean smokers. The days of minority rule - no matter how much you kick, scream, and threaten - are coming to an end.
you get a grip, you are the minority, you are a minority of one
TruthBeTold

Farmington, MI

#11 Apr 23, 2011
Linda as someone who has been droning on about this on smoking threads on topix (and elsewhere) for nearly 5 years...sitting on here on Christmas Eve and Day as well as other holidays, when others are spending quality with family and friends, you have proven one very important thing...
You have a problem, an addiction!
You could care less about the so-called business owners rights you talk about...you are all about YOU and the ability for YOU and your ilk to get to smoke wherever and whenever you want...and all you are doing is hiding behind the "so-called" owners rights!
EXPOSED AGAIN LINDA!

As far as the bans...80% of the country does not smoke, and whether its by a vote or through the state legislature, the bans have been a screaming success, applauded my most if not all!

There was voter fraud in the presidential election with the ACORN nuts, but that fraud only calls into account those who broke the law, and changes nothing!

The smoking ban in Ohio was voted into law by the overwhelming majority of voters, those who broke the law were dealt with as appropriate...but at the end of the day, the end justified the means!!!
numbers

Grundy, VA

#12 Apr 23, 2011
TruthBeTold wrote:
Linda as someone who has been droning on about this on smoking threads on topix (and elsewhere) for nearly 5 years...sitting on here on Christmas Eve and Day as well as other holidays, when others are spending quality with family and friends, you have proven one very important thing...
You have a problem, an addiction!
You could care less about the so-called business owners rights you talk about...you are all about YOU and the ability for YOU and your ilk to get to smoke wherever and whenever you want...and all you are doing is hiding behind the "so-called" owners rights!
EXPOSED AGAIN LINDA!
As far as the bans...80% of the country does not smoke, and whether its by a vote or through the state legislature, the bans have been a screaming success, applauded my most if not all!
There was voter fraud in the presidential election with the ACORN nuts, but that fraud only calls into account those who broke the law, and changes nothing!
The smoking ban in Ohio was voted into law by the overwhelming majority of voters, those who broke the law were dealt with as appropriate...but at the end of the day, the end justified the means!!!
For 5 years she's been trying to show you how much of an idiot you are and being from the communist state of Michigan we all thought maybe you would one day wise up. The government has done such a great job of brainwashing you they now have passed a law and put into motion the ability to take over a whole community and throw out the "majority" voted in elected representatives. Go ask the people of Benton Harbor how it feels. If they can do it to them trust me you will be next. Boil you frog, boil.

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#13 Apr 23, 2011
TruthBeTold wrote:
Linda as someone who has been droning on about this on smoking threads on topix (and elsewhere) for nearly 5 years...sitting on here on Christmas Eve and Day as well as other holidays, when others are spending quality with family and friends, you have proven one very important thing...
You have a problem, an addiction!
You could care less about the so-called business owners rights you talk about...you are all about YOU and the ability for YOU and your ilk to get to smoke wherever and whenever you want...and all you are doing is hiding behind the "so-called" owners rights!
EXPOSED AGAIN LINDA!
As far as the bans...80% of the country does not smoke, and whether its by a vote or through the state legislature, the bans have been a screaming success, applauded my most if not all!
There was voter fraud in the presidential election with the ACORN nuts, but that fraud only calls into account those who broke the law, and changes nothing!
The smoking ban in Ohio was voted into law by the overwhelming majority of voters, those who broke the law were dealt with as appropriate...but at the end of the day, the end justified the means!!!
How many more forums have you posted that same bs lie, 2007 to current is not 5 years yet I do so like slapping your Michigan ass around for your years of interference in Ohio, Ohio owners, Ohio employees. Ohio people (smokers & nons) and your total disrespect for Ohio families who invest in their own business, perform the labor and pay the taxes & bills. Oh yes, they also employ other Ohioans.

Its in place dear, the Ohio smoking ban will go down one way or the other..court, no money, and others you know nothing about. Slink back to your Michigan hole, we Ohioans can think for ourselves at the owners door whether to enter or not enter the owners private business property.

When will that sink into your empty head, God knows there is plenty of room for knowledge there

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#14 Apr 23, 2011
Its me Linda B wrote:
<quoted text> The owner was there first and paid the price by monetary and hard work, please state what you did to earn superiority over the owners rights on his own privately owned property?
I say its owners rule and if any of us decide by our own free will to enter the owners privately owned property we will follow the owners rule...what say you?
In case you haven't noticed, governments place all kinds of taxes, fees, restrictions, requirements, and yes - fines, on businesses for "the privilege of doing business" in their jurisdiction. This is just another one, and more importantly, it's one that was voted on by the People, not one made up by a bureaucrat in a back office somewhere.

A bar/restaurant ceases to be "private property" the moment they open their doors to "the Public." In return for the privilege to operate a business, they agree to follow the laws and regulations placed upon them by the government. You can't pick and choose which laws and regulations you want to follow. In the end, Zeno's will be forced to pay these fines or their privilege to do business, AKA their business and liquor licenses, will be revoked.

I've been in bars and restaurants in many cities since these bans became law. It doesn't seem to be hurting their business at all. At least be honest about it: You don't care about the bar owner. You just want to sit at the bar and smoke.

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#15 Apr 23, 2011
TBT Michigan has spent years under different names on the Ohio forums vilifying Ohio families who own their private small businesses with name calling and making fun of the very business they invested in to earn their livings. It and other out of state antis have called Ohio smokers whores etc.

Don't be fooled by the Michigan prick

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#16 Apr 23, 2011
dpx55 wrote:
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In case you haven't noticed, governments place all kinds of taxes, fees, restrictions, requirements, and yes - fines, on businesses for "the privilege of doing business" in their jurisdiction. This is just another one, and more importantly, it's one that was voted on by the People, not one made up by a bureaucrat in a back office somewhere.
A bar/restaurant ceases to be "private property" the moment they open their doors to "the Public." In return for the privilege to operate a business, they agree to follow the laws and regulations placed upon them by the government. You can't pick and choose which laws and regulations you want to follow. In the end, Zeno's will be forced to pay these fines or their privilege to do business, AKA their business and liquor licenses, will be revoked.
I've been in bars and restaurants in many cities since these bans became law. It doesn't seem to be hurting their business at all. At least be honest about it: You don't care about the bar owner. You just want to sit at the bar and smoke.
I will ask you, which of those regulations where voted on other than the smoking ban, surely you realize that its not a health issue if it takes a public vote so how many health issues has been put to by a vote, especially brought on by non government entities election fraud ..name one?

Are you aware that Ohio investigators are not protected from workplace shs?

I get a kick out of the antis whining that other laws and regulations blah blah blah and then the piss in the floor, sex on the tables, shooting guns in restaurants blah blah blah..thats exactly what it is BS blahs

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#17 Apr 23, 2011
dpx55 wrote:
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A bar/restaurant ceases to be "private property"
bs unless they freely sell, give away etc. Just because an owner permits you to enter does not mean he deeds you his business property..thats so silly

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#18 Apr 23, 2011
dpx55 wrote:
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it's one that was voted on by the People
limitations expressed in the constitution, on the power of the general assembly to enact laws, shall be deemed limitations on the power of the people to enact laws.

(As amended Nov. 3, 1953; 125 v 1095.)
http://www.legislature.state.oh.us/constituti...

Some of the limitations

http://www.legislature.state.oh.us/constituti...

http://www.legislature.state.oh.us/constituti...

http://www.legislature.state.oh.us/constituti...

There has never been a law in Ohio that forces anyone to enter a private owners door

There are no constitutional rights to enter another property to dine, drink, sleep or play etc unless the owner grants the privilege which does not grant you ownership or higher rights than the owner and his choice of business character.

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#19 Apr 23, 2011
dpx55 wrote:
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not one made up by a bureaucrat in a back office somewhere.
I will go for the back office by a pharmaa foundation funding bans and pharma profiting from their own nicotine products and stocks..INW's financial health for special interest greed

This chapter describes SmokeLess States®: National Tobacco Policy Initiative, one of the largest investments made by the Robert Wood Johnson Foundation, with $99 million authorized in grants since 1992. Primarily, grants were awarded to non-governmental organizations, with the intention that they would educate the public and policy-makers about the tobacco problem. Two features about the program are significant:(1) the Foundation encouraged its grantees to be activists; (2) advocacy was emphasized to bring about policy change. The program relied heavily on three major health voluntary organizations: the American Cancer Society; the American Heart Association and the American Lung Association. They provided financial support and, in particular, funds to help lobbying efforts which the Foundation could not support directly. In addition to insight on the effects of advocacy, this chapter offers a window into the role of coalitions in bringing about social change. The program ended in 2004 and its lasting impact has yet to be determined.
http://www.rwjf.org/pr/product.jsp...

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#20 Apr 23, 2011
dpx55 wrote:
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I've been in bars and restaurants
Did anyone force you? BTW, there has never been a law forcing private business to permit smoking so if non smoking was good for business all would have been non smoking without the smoking ban by fraud for greed and control

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#21 Apr 23, 2011
Its me Linda B wrote:
<quoted text> I will ask you, which of those regulations where voted on other than the smoking ban, surely you realize that its not a health issue if it takes a public vote so how many health issues has been put to by a vote, especially brought on by non government entities election fraud ..name one?
Are you aware that Ohio investigators are not protected from workplace shs?
I get a kick out of the antis whining that other laws and regulations blah blah blah and then the piss in the floor, sex on the tables, shooting guns in restaurants blah blah blah..thats exactly what it is BS blahs
I'm not going to take the time addressing your rants; but Linda, the bottom line is that you're going to still be out on that porch smoking once this issue is finally decided, and Zeno's will have two choices; pay their fines or close their doors.

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