Obama: Premature Babies Arenít People

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Barack Obama worked to allow a gruesome practice, in which babies born alive after attempted abortions are left to die without medical care, to continue in Illinois. National Review journalist David Freddosoís new book, The Case Against Barack Obama, exposes the lengths to which Barack Obama went to protect this ghastly procedure.

Because of a loophole, doctors in Illinois had no legal obligation to treat these babies. Under the law, they were non-persons. Illinois legislators tried to close this loophole with a bill mandating that babies born alive during an abortion would have to be treated just like every other baby born prematurely. The same laws and the same rules of medical ethics would apply to these born, living babies as to any other born, living human being.


On the federal level a similar bill passed 98-0 garnering a yea vote from pro-abortion stalwart Barbara Boxer. But back in Illinois, Barack Obama had problems with this type of legislation. He spoke on the floor of the Illinois Senate in opposition to the Born Alive Infants Protection Act Ė in fact, he was the only senator to do so. The following year he spoke against the born alive bill again. As a rabid proponent of legalized abortion, Obama voted against the bill or worked for its defeat on three separate occasions.

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The tiny newborn baby made very little noise as he struggled to breathe. He could not cryóhe lacked the strength. He had been born four months premature.ďAt that age,Ē says nurse Jill Stanek,ďtheir lungs havenít matured.Ē Stanek is the nurse who found herself cradling this tiny human being in her hands for all of his forty-five-minute lifetime. He was close to ten inches long. He weighed perhaps half a pound. Itís just a guess, no one had weighed or measured him at birth. No happy family had been there to welcome him into the world. No one was trying to save his life now, to put him into an incubator, to give him oxygen or nourishment. He had just been left to die.

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There are no words to describe the inhumanity of this.
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Pages 86/87:

http://www.ilga.gov/senate/transcripts/strans...

You just can't spin this. It's an official transcript.
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They try to keep a pre term baby alive and kill one that is unborn.Where is the logic.

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gokeefe wrote:
There are no words to describe the inhumanity of this.
You got that right.I wish somebody would have done that to Oidiot.
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Wait what wrote:
Pages 86/87:
http://www.ilga.gov/senate/transcripts/strans...
You just can't spin this. It's an official transcript.
Wow. Senator Obama was suggesting the State Senate not pass an unconstitutional law. Outrageous.

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Che Reagan Christ wrote:
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Wow. Senator Obama was suggesting the State Senate not pass an unconstitutional law. Outrageous.
Getting a little obsessive chasing WW around, aren't you?

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He had been born four months premature.
Wow. The person who wrote this article is either pretty crap at their job or massaging presentation to make a point.
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Hugh Victor Thompson III wrote:
<quoted text>Getting a little obsessive chasing WW around, aren't you?
LOL, I am stocked up on snacks for the next meltdown!

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gokeefe wrote:
There are no words to describe the inhumanity of this.
Oh, there are some.

False.

Debunked.

The law in Illinois at that time already provided protection for viable but aborted fetuses.

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FKA Reader wrote:
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Oh, there are some.
False.
Debunked.
The law in Illinois at that time already provided protection for viable but aborted fetuses.
"...Illinois law has rules -- loophole-ridden rules, but rules -- requiring treatment of babies who have 'sustainable survivability.' If an attempted abortion of a pre-viable fetus results in a live birth, the law did not protect the infant. Nurse Jill Stanek said that at her hospital 'abortions' were repeatedly performed by inducing the live birth of a pre-viable fetus and then leaving it to die. When she made her report, the attorney general said that no law had been broken. Thatís why legislators proposed a bill to fill the gap.

Obama did not want the gap filled. He did not want pre-viable fetuses/infants to have any legal protection. In the Illinois legislature, he argued that providing them with legal protection would both be unconstitutional in itself ó a violation of the Supreme Courtís abortion jurisprudence ó and undermine the right to abortion.

Obama was wrong about these points. The Supreme Courtís abortion jurisprudence treats the location of the young human organism, not its stage of development, as the key factor in whether it can be legally protected. But thatís the ground on which he stood, at the time. In recent years, however, he has had very little to say about the importance of denying legal protection to this class of human beings. He knows thatís a losing argument politically. So he has instead been emitting a thick cloud of smoke...."

http://tinyurl.com/8pubzn2
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Oh, there are some.
False.
Debunked.
The law in Illinois at that time already provided protection for viable but aborted fetuses.
Jill Stanek would disagree, based on her personal working knowledge.

Regardless, is it the same kind of law that protects against age discrimination in the workplace?

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Regardless, is it the same kind of law that protects against age discrimination in the workplace?
Is the issue here that you don't know what the word viable means?

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tranpsosition wrote:
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Is the issue here that you don't know what the word viable means?
Is the issue here that you don't know what the words living human means?

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Is the issue here that you don't know what the words living human means?
Interestingly enough, even if you consider a non-viable fetus to be a sadly temporary sort of person, withholding treatment is still supported through a best interests test (legally, I would imagine medically as well but am not really able to make that kind of claim)
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imagine2011 wrote:
http://www.humanevents.com/200 8/08/07/day-2-obama-premature- babies-arent-people/
Barack Obama worked to allow a gruesome practice, in which babies born alive after attempted abortions are left to die without medical care, to continue in Illinois. National Review journalist David Freddosoís new book, The Case Against Barack Obama, exposes the lengths to which Barack Obama went to protect this ghastly procedure.
Because of a loophole, doctors in Illinois had no legal obligation to treat these babies. Under the law, they were non-persons. Illinois legislators tried to close this loophole with a bill mandating that babies born alive during an abortion would have to be treated just like every other baby born prematurely. The same laws and the same rules of medical ethics would apply to these born, living babies as to any other born, living human being.
On the federal level a similar bill passed 98-0 garnering a yea vote from pro-abortion stalwart Barbara Boxer. But back in Illinois, Barack Obama had problems with this type of legislation. He spoke on the floor of the Illinois Senate in opposition to the Born Alive Infants Protection Act Ė in fact, he was the only senator to do so. The following year he spoke against the born alive bill again. As a rabid proponent of legalized abortion, Obama voted against the bill or worked for its defeat on three separate occasions.
From The Case Against Barack Obama:
The tiny newborn baby made very little noise as he struggled to breathe. He could not cryóhe lacked the strength. He had been born four months premature.ďAt that age,Ē says nurse Jill Stanek,ďtheir lungs havenít matured.Ē Stanek is the nurse who found herself cradling this tiny human being in her hands for all of his forty-five-minute lifetime. He was close to ten inches long. He weighed perhaps half a pound. Itís just a guess, no one had weighed or measured him at birth. No happy family had been there to welcome him into the world. No one was trying to save his life now, to put him into an incubator, to give him oxygen or nourishment. He had just been left to die.
This is as bad as the barbarians in the pre-Christian Pagan World. There will be hell to pay on judgment day for all the baby killers.

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Interestingly enough, even if you consider a non-viable fetus to be a sadly temporary sort of person, withholding treatment is still supported through a best interests test (legally, I would imagine medically as well but am not really able to make that kind of claim)
What a barbarian.

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Interestingly enough, even if you consider a non-viable fetus to be a sadly temporary sort of person, withholding treatment is still supported through a best interests test (legally, I would imagine medically as well but am not really able to make that kind of claim)
A "temporary sort of person"?
Like Reader and all of your Progressive peers, you are morally bankrupt.

If, as you pro-aborts claim, abortion must remain legal so as to protect the life and health of the mother, then please explain how a mother's life or health is in any danger from a baby already delivered?

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-tip- wrote:
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"...Illinois law has rules -- loophole-ridden rules, but rules -- requiring treatment of babies who have 'sustainable survivability.' If an attempted abortion of a pre-viable fetus results in a live birth, the law did not protect the infant. Nurse Jill Stanek said that at her hospital 'abortions' were repeatedly performed by inducing the live birth of a pre-viable fetus and then leaving it to die. When she made her report, the attorney general said that no law had been broken. Thatís why legislators proposed a bill to fill the gap.
Obama did not want the gap filled. He did not want pre-viable fetuses/infants to have any legal protection. In the Illinois legislature, he argued that providing them with legal protection would both be unconstitutional in itself ó a violation of the Supreme Courtís abortion jurisprudence ó and undermine the right to abortion.
Obama was wrong about these points. The Supreme Courtís abortion jurisprudence treats the location of the young human organism, not its stage of development, as the key factor in whether it can be legally protected. But thatís the ground on which he stood, at the time. In recent years, however, he has had very little to say about the importance of denying legal protection to this class of human beings. He knows thatís a losing argument politically. So he has instead been emitting a thick cloud of smoke...."
http://tinyurl.com/8pubzn2
You understand the meaning of pre-viable?

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You understand the meaning of pre-viable?
You understand the meaning of born alive?

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