State Senators John Morse and Angela Giron recalled in historic elections

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“I luv Canton”

Since: Sep 13

The 57th state

#1 Sep 11, 2013
http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/politics...

COLORADO SPRINGS, Colo.- In the first recalls of state lawmakers in Colorado history, State Senate President John Morse and Senator Angela Giron were both removed from office Tuesday by voters upset with their stance on gun control.

Since: Jun 13

Hilliard, OH

#2 Sep 11, 2013
And the lefties are crying about "outside big money" being spent by the right. Never mind that the left spent FOUR times as much and had outsiders like Bloomberg funding them and still lost.
Enzyte Bob

Reynoldsburg, OH

#3 Sep 11, 2013
what_me_worry_ wrote:
http://www.thedenverchannel.co m/news/politics/polls-open-for -colorados-first-ever-recall-e lections-at-7-am
COLORADO SPRINGS, Colo.- In the first recalls of state lawmakers in Colorado history, State Senate President John Morse and Senator Angela Giron were both removed from office Tuesday by voters upset with their stance on gun control.
Both deserved to get the hook, but still a tough call given the Columbine and the theatre shootings and the prevailing feeling people always have that "something" has to be done. Maybe this is a sign that Colorado is ready to become a red state once again where it rightfully belongs.

Since: Jun 13

Hilliard, OH

#4 Sep 11, 2013
Enzyte Bob wrote:
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Both deserved to get the hook, but still a tough call given the Columbine and the theatre shootings and the prevailing feeling people always have that "something" has to be done. Maybe this is a sign that Colorado is ready to become a red state once again where it rightfully belongs.
A tough call? Hardly. Both of those shootings were in a "gun free zone." Eliminate those and you go a long way toward a solution.

Since: Jun 13

Hilliard, OH

#5 Sep 11, 2013
The next time some lefty tells you that polls are never rigged, show them this:

Reflecting on the Colorado recalls

We did a poll last weekend in Colorado Senate District 3 and found that voters intended to recall Angela Giron by a 12 point margin, 54/42. In a district that Barack Obama won by almost 20 points I figured there was no way that could be right and made a rare decision not to release the poll. It turns out we should have had more faith in our numbers becaue she was indeed recalled by 12 points.

What's interesting about our poll is that it didn't find the gun control measures that drove the recall election to be that unpopular. Expanded background checks for gun buyers had 68/27 support among voters in the district, reflecting the overwhelming popularity for that we've found across the country. And voters were evenly divided on the law limiting high capacity ammunition magazines to 15 bullets, with 47% supporting and 47% opposing it. If voters were really making their recall votes based on those two laws, that doesn't point to recalling Giron by a 12 point margin.

We did find on the poll though that voters in the district had a favorable opinion of the NRA by a 53/33 margin. And I think when you see the final results what that indicates is they just did a good job of turning the election more broadly into do you support gun rights or are you opposed to them. If voters made their decision based on the actual pretty unobtrusive laws that Giron helped get passed, she likely would have survived. But the NRA won the messaging game and turned it into something bigger than it was- even if that wasn't true- and Giron paid the price.

John Hickenlooper won the district overwhelmingly in 2010 but is only tied at 42 with Tom Tancredo in a hypothetical match up there, so it's something Democrats will have to figure out how to deal with before next year.
- See more at: http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/main/2013/...
Enzyte Bob

Reynoldsburg, OH

#6 Sep 11, 2013
Diamond Eugene wrote:
<quoted text>A tough call? Hardly. Both of those shootings were in a "gun free zone." Eliminate those and you go a long way toward a solution.
Tough call not because I agree with gun restrictions, but because I know human nature after a tragedy is to "do something".

Besides, pro-gun fundamentalism and the too cute slogans of the pro gun crowd don't always work. Case in point: Detroit. Did having everybody armed really make Detroit a safer place?

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"He (Coleman Young) nixed gun control on the grounds that it would be dangerous to disarm his people in the face of the KKK lurking beyond Eight Mile Road. To him, the white flight was just the equivalent of the KKK that had moved to the suburbs, and his people in the city, he was not gonna take their guns away from 'em, and he didn't. So the city of Detroit was heavily armed, and it was heavily radicalized."

http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2013/07/23/...
They cannot kill a Spook

Detroit, MI

#7 Sep 11, 2013
Gun free zone is democunt speak cor " target rich environment with little chance of return fire"
Enzyte Bob

United States

#8 Sep 11, 2013
Yeah, but nobody wants to address how the theory of arming everybody falls apart in Detroit.

Don't worry, kids. I was also shocked when I first heard it, too. But true is true ... arming everyone in Detroit should have made it the safest place in the world according to the gun lobby ...

“I luv Canton”

Since: Sep 13

The 57th state

#10 Sep 12, 2013
Enzyte Bob wrote:
Yeah, but nobody wants to address how the theory of arming everybody falls apart in Detroit.
Don't worry, kids. I was also shocked when I first heard it, too. But true is true ... arming everyone in Detroit should have made it the safest place in the world according to the gun lobby ...
Given the demographic in Detroit I would posit that a different set of statistics apply.

Detroit has a lot of criminals killing criminals that skew the numbers.
The same applies to the ongoing shootings in Chicago.

Given the flight out of Detroit by productive citizens it's hardly a city to compile statistics on guns saving the lives of non criminal citizens.

However when a thug kills another thug, I suppose it does actually make the city safer for those decent folks that could not afford to flee the city.

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Since: Jan 13

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