Police respond to fight at Independen...

Police respond to fight at Independence High School | The Colum...

There are 63 comments on the Columbus Dispatch story from Nov 24, 2009, titled Police respond to fight at Independence High School | The Colum.... In it, Columbus Dispatch reports that:

Columbus police are clearing the scene of a fight at Independence High School on the Far East Side.

Join the discussion below, or Read more at Columbus Dispatch.

First Prev
of 4
Next Last
HART

United States

#1 Nov 24, 2009
Real nice. That's exactly why the city schools will continue to decline and those who are serious about education and living a civilized life move to the burbs. It's bad enough there's a full time cop at the school, but even worse that his presence doesn't deter the thugs from starting trouble.
lon dong

Columbus, OH

#2 Nov 24, 2009
There's no word if they were fighting about health care, global warming, job creation, or that crazy man Glenn Beck. I hope it was the latter with Beck there to see for himself. Maybe knock some sense into him. I'm sure his spin would be Obama is at the center of it all. I say let's end all cable programs that talk politics. The "entertainment" is getting worse than the WWF.
Fed Up

Columbus, OH

#4 Nov 24, 2009
Nice way to spend my HARD EARNED tax dollars! Put the whole school on lockdown, string barbed wire around it and let them all just kill each other. These so called schools are nothing but detention centers for the thugs that do show up anyway!
Amused

Columbus, OH

#7 Nov 24, 2009
lon dong wrote:
There's no word if they were fighting about health care, global warming, job creation, or that crazy man Glenn Beck. I hope it was the latter with Beck there to see for himself. Maybe knock some sense into him. I'm sure his spin would be Obama is at the center of it all. I say let's end all cable programs that talk politics. The "entertainment" is getting worse than the WWF.
You forgot to blame George Bush and his evil cronies...
cidem

Columbus, OH

#8 Nov 24, 2009
Lets start charging the parents for these heathens actions. Does anyone realize that during the disruption/lockdown no education was able to go on? I do know that the TV was advising that the school was under lockdown.
lfod

Defiance, OH

#10 Nov 24, 2009
More great examples of why those who can have or are fleeing CPS. Dr Haris you have a problem
Reader

Columbus, OH

#11 Nov 24, 2009
Educated Individual wrote:
<quoted text>
Nice post. I am to assume that you were one of the knuckleheads that were fighting instead of learning how to speak or write correctly.
No--I would assume that he is one of the knuckleheads who think that everyone within the city limits talks or writes lack that. Pretty poor imitation, frankly,
Reader

Columbus, OH

#12 Nov 24, 2009
Educated Individual wrote:
<quoted text>
Nice post. I am to assume that you were one of the knuckleheads that were fighting instead of learning how to speak or write correctly.
Sorry--writes LIKE that.
JPS

Columbus, OH

#13 Nov 24, 2009
The article says that the school did NOT go into lockdown. Where are you guys getting that from?
Terry

Columbus, OH

#17 Nov 24, 2009
Welcome to the HOOD
dumuk

Hilliard, OH

#18 Nov 24, 2009
good to see just like the 70s when iwent to school no weapons
ramseyjames

Bellefontaine, OH

#19 Nov 24, 2009
If Harris is considering closing a school, she should really think about this one. These thugs don't go to school to learn, they just go to hang out and see what kind of trouble they can get into! Education will never be their primary objective!
senior

Warwick, RI

#20 Nov 24, 2009
I think all comments made are pretty rude!! Although there is a handful of "heathens" there are others tht do take education seriously! I am very hurt to b represented as a current student. It is very vicious and unsafe inside of those school walls. I wish there was a more accurate and efficient solution to this problem! I am fed up with the pety fighting and want more efficient resolution... Closing the school will only spread problems amongst the other schools but leaving it open will only cause serious injury! I want a better way to solve this! And another point I want to make is to not make the whole school suffer if the ones causing the trouble are suspended!? That makes no sense!!!!!!
Mister Mayor

Collierville, TN

#21 Nov 25, 2009
This all goes back to Harris, the school board, and the parents. The CPS system breeds criminals who do nothing but interrupt the young people trying to learn, and it is condoned by the school board. The CPS has no standards, no policy, and no desire to make responsible young adults in the schools today. They do not communicate with the parents of these animals, they just hire a special duty police officer who can't do anything but call for back up when crap like this starts. just one more example of why this country continues to go into the toilet.
CPS Grad

Lavon, TX

#22 Nov 25, 2009
Mister Mayor wrote:
This all goes back to Harris, the school board, and the parents. The CPS system breeds criminals who do nothing but interrupt the young people trying to learn, and it is condoned by the school board. The CPS has no standards, no policy, and no desire to make responsible young adults in the schools today. They do not communicate with the parents of these animals, they just hire a special duty police officer who can't do anything but call for back up when crap like this starts. just one more example of why this country continues to go into the toilet.
The problem lays with the parents not the school. If the parents actually disciplined their children in their formative years they would not be acting out now. If a child is raised in a home with good values and a solid foundation of discipline and love, issue like this would not be happening. You blame the teachers because they can not control the kids but that is not their fault, it’s the parents. As one of my teachers at Starling Middle School used to tell us,“Act like you have some home training.” Unfortunately this home training was never received, and if these children are not taught soon the skills that they need to become productive members of society the will be doomed to clog the court and prison systems for the rest of their lives.

Columbus is not the only place where this is happening. Dr. Harris is doing the best she can with what she has. Her predecessor left her with a failing school district. As a student I have met with Dr. Harris and I know of the love she has for the district because she is a product of the district. She knows the good can come form having good schools in the Columbus, and that is what she is trying to do.

Don’t criticize. If you want to see change, volunteer to help show these children there is a better life. If I didn’t have a role model like my “Big” from Big Brothers\Big Sisters I would still be probably working low paying construction jobs with 5 kids by as many women that I wouldn’t support, like many of the people that I grew up with. But now I am working on my second masters’ degree and loving life with my wonderful wife, and I graduated from West High School.

Fix the home or deal with the drain on society.
Big Hank

Cleveland, OH

#23 Nov 25, 2009
Class school - great place to raise your kids!!
CCS Parent

Columbus, OH

#24 Nov 25, 2009
CPS Grad wrote:
<quoted text>
The problem lays with the parents not the school. If the parents actually disciplined their children in their formative years they would not be acting out now. If a child is raised in a home with good values and a solid foundation of discipline and love, issue like this would not be happening. You blame the teachers because they can not control the kids but that is not their fault, it’s the parents. As one of my teachers at Starling Middle School used to tell us,“Act like you have some home training.” Unfortunately this home training was never received, and if these children are not taught soon the skills that they need to become productive members of society the will be doomed to clog the court and prison systems for the rest of their lives.
Columbus is not the only place where this is happening. Dr. Harris is doing the best she can with what she has. Her predecessor left her with a failing school district. As a student I have met with Dr. Harris and I know of the love she has for the district because she is a product of the district. She knows the good can come form having good schools in the Columbus, and that is what she is trying to do.
Don’t criticize. If you want to see change, volunteer to help show these children there is a better life. If I didn’t have a role model like my “Big” from Big Brothers\Big Sisters I would still be probably working low paying construction jobs with 5 kids by as many women that I wouldn’t support, like many of the people that I grew up with. But now I am working on my second masters’ degree and loving life with my wonderful wife, and I graduated from West High School.
Fix the home or deal with the drain on society.
I would suggest to you that you do not actually know enough about what goes on in homes to be able to make such a blanket statement. While you grew up in the district, and have likely been in homes both good and bad--this amounts only to anecdotal evidence. What many parents are up against, and get very frustrated about, is that their home training is inadequately reinforced at school Now, for some, this may mean that they discipline with a swat on the behind--which is not going to happen at school. But for others, they see chaos in schools that they would never tolerate in their homes. Some highly skilled parents do not understand why teachers are not on top of doing the things that they need to do to improve the climate within the schools. Some teachers are young, immature, inexperienced and simply misguided or ignorant. Some teachers have given up on the big picture of the school and are content to close their doors and only take care of what is immediately in front of them.

Supervision of places like the cafeteria (where this event happened) are always contentious. Teachers regard this as beneath them--babysitting--and it typically goes to the least experienced teacher (frequently only one)--or else some coach who thinks that order is best maintained by yelling.

To Harris' credit, she has been working in recent years to train teacher to implement principles of positive behavior support (which is more complex, and effective, than merely handing out rewards to the good kids). So far, I would say that both the training and the teachers allegience to it are insufficient. When and incident such as this occurs, they should be looking at such things as environmental factors (lots of kids in an low-structure environment with minimal supervision) that help to produce the problem and working to change them. At the high school level, students can help to formulate a more structured environment and contribute to supervision themselves.

But--so long as the first song always sung is we can't help it--it's the parents, no one is going to make any changes that would be helpful.
Big Hank

Cleveland, OH

#25 Nov 25, 2009
CCS Parent wrote:
<quoted text>
I would suggest to you that you do not actually know enough about what goes on in homes to be able to make such a blanket statement. While you grew up in the district, and have likely been in homes both good and bad--this amounts only to anecdotal evidence. What many parents are up against, and get very frustrated about, is that their home training is inadequately reinforced at school Now, for some, this may mean that they discipline with a swat on the behind--which is not going to happen at school. But for others, they see chaos in schools that they would never tolerate in their homes. Some highly skilled parents do not understand why teachers are not on top of doing the things that they need to do to improve the climate within the schools. Some teachers are young, immature, inexperienced and simply misguided or ignorant. Some teachers have given up on the big picture of the school and are content to close their doors and only take care of what is immediately in front of them.
Supervision of places like the cafeteria (where this event happened) are always contentious. Teachers regard this as beneath them--babysitting--and it typically goes to the least experienced teacher (frequently only one)--or else some coach who thinks that order is best maintained by yelling.
To Harris' credit, she has been working in recent years to train teacher to implement principles of positive behavior support (which is more complex, and effective, than merely handing out rewards to the good kids). So far, I would say that both the training and the teachers allegience to it are insufficient. When and incident such as this occurs, they should be looking at such things as environmental factors (lots of kids in an low-structure environment with minimal supervision) that help to produce the problem and working to change them. At the high school level, students can help to formulate a more structured environment and contribute to supervision themselves.
But--so long as the first song always sung is we can't help it--it's the parents, no one is going to make any changes that would be helpful.
You are so absolutely WRONG! Problems start in the homes, many of which are of the single parent variety. If your kids will act like animals the minute they are out of your sight, just because others are doing it - you have NOT done your job. I am not a teacher - but I do not expect the teachers (many of whom could be working in better districts with significantly better pay) to babysit kids in general, much less a bunch of out of control thugs, gang bangers, and their sweet little girlfriends. This has to be one of hte most "lay the blame anywhere but on me" posts I have seen in a long time. You would almost think this person was typing the above in JEST!!
Big Hank

Cleveland, OH

#26 Nov 25, 2009
And BTW - my heart goes out to all of the kids who are truly trying to learn something in that school. It is through unfortunate circumstances, unrelated to what you have done in the past, that you are forced to attend such a crappy school! God bless, and good luck getting out of there with an education - continue it from there!!!
CCS Parent

Columbus, OH

#27 Nov 25, 2009
Big Hank wrote:
<quoted text>
You are so absolutely WRONG! Problems start in the homes, many of which are of the single parent variety. If your kids will act like animals the minute they are out of your sight, just because others are doing it - you have NOT done your job. I am not a teacher - but I do not expect the teachers (many of whom could be working in better districts with significantly better pay) to babysit kids in general, much less a bunch of out of control thugs, gang bangers, and their sweet little girlfriends. This has to be one of hte most "lay the blame anywhere but on me" posts I have seen in a long time. You would almost think this person was typing the above in JEST!!
Well, sir, there is considerable research to support what I say. And I can back this up with over 20 years personal experience working with children and families in low-income neighborhoods, and as a parent in Columbus City Schools. I am not in jest, I am deadly serious. I have watched too many valuable children lured into too many bad situations by conditions totally beyond their parents' control. I have experienced first hand the disdain that greets many parents the minute they walk in the school door. I have listened to teachers who feel absolutely powerless to work together with their fellow teachers to have any kind of impact on anything beyond their individual classroom. I have worn myself out with phone calls and emails trying to locate anyone who would accept responsibility for ANYTHING within the schools--even while I witnessed policies that were simply not working, recognized by everyone who was implementing them.

Tell me when this thread is updated:

Subscribe Now Add to my Tracker
First Prev
of 4
Next Last

Add your comments below

Characters left: 4000

Please note by submitting this form you acknowledge that you have read the Terms of Service and the comment you are posting is in compliance with such terms. Be polite. Inappropriate posts may be removed by the moderator. Send us your feedback.

Columbus Discussions

Title Updated Last By Comments
Don't trust Google... 1 min Duke for Mayor 14
Xenos Christian Fellowship is a CULT! (Jul '12) 2 min xeniod 1,336
Wasserman Schultz to step down amid uproar over... 9 min d pants 82
News Pokemon Go Player Robbed and Shot in Columbus 51 min Posting as myself 1
BODY COUNT: Bush/Clinton Crime Families 1 hr Rocker5150 1
Open season on Cops 1 hr Male 109
Trump and Putin have ties..... 1 hr Male 40

Columbus Jobs

More from around the web

Personal Finance

Columbus Mortgages