Free George Zimmerman!

-Clayton Bigsby

Since: Apr 13

Hilliard, OH

#8143 Jul 1, 2013
DapperDave wrote:
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So, you're saying a single punch in the face, with no further aggressive behavior warrants a bullet to the head.
Well, let's explore this a little further...
How about a punch in the gut, with no further aggressive behavior?
How about a slap in the face...followed by no further aggressive/violent behavior?
How about an extremtly hard shove, with no further aggressive behavior?
How about if the puncher, slapper, shover is a female, or a teenager, or middle schooler?
So, if you're at a sporting event, or in a bar, or in the mall, or at a concert, or at the movies...a guy/gal starts arguing with you...people/friends get between the two of you...the guy/gal reaches over or between the people trying to seperate the two of you and delivers a punch/slap/shove. I suppose you're going to open fire...aiming for the person's head of course, because a bullet to the head is required, or to be expected, in such situations.
I don't believe I ever heard such a mindless line of reasoning publicly espoused. Your sub-human, brutish thinking is steeped in ignorance and violent barbarism.
And you want us to believe you possess and advanced degree from a respected univesity?
You are a sick, socially maladjusted, uncivilized, psycopathically violent, unthinking, murderous savage.
Good lord! You're crazier than a rabid skunk.
Mr. Good's testimony tells a different story. It certainly makes Ashtray look like the aggressor.

“Don't trust the internet!”

Since: Jan 12

Location hidden

#8144 Jul 1, 2013
TonyD2 wrote:
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Wrong. The "advice" was not utterred until AFTER Zimmerman had already exited the truck and began to follow Martin. After the dispatcher said "We don't need you to do that", Zimmerman said "OK", and the running noises stopped.
Apparently you listen to other people instead of listening to the evidence yourself.
Did you listen today--including the interviews and the walk-thru?

Zim tried to deny having chased at all--claiming that the dispatcher wanted an address.

Many conflicts.

Since: Jan 11

Location hidden

#8145 Jul 1, 2013
Despite believing GZ is guilty, dispatcher should have given stronger instructions.

"We don't need you to do that." Just, exactly, what does that "instruction" mean?

My wife doesn't "need me" to carry out the trash tonight. Tomorrow will be just fine.

Instructions from dispatcher were unclear.

“Don't trust the internet!”

Since: Jan 12

Location hidden

#8146 Jul 1, 2013
Biggie BC wrote:
Despite believing GZ is guilty, dispatcher should have given stronger instructions.
"We don't need you to do that." Just, exactly, what does that "instruction" mean?
My wife doesn't "need me" to carry out the trash tonight. Tomorrow will be just fine.
Instructions from dispatcher were unclear.
According to the dispatcher's testimony, their protocol does not allow them to give such directions or orders. Hence the suggestive tone.

“Ludibrium est onus genio”

Since: Dec 11

Planet Earth

#8147 Jul 1, 2013
DapperDave wrote:
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Oh really? So, your claim is that Zimmerman stopped following Trayvon after the 911 operator advised/directed him to do so?
He said "OK" and the running noises (can be clearly heard on the tape) stopped. There is no evidence whatsoever that he continued to follow Martin after that point.
It that is the case then how could Zimmerman have come into contact with Trayvon, since Trayvon was walking away...unless Zimmerman continued to follow Trayvon?
Lots of ways. There's NO evidence to indicate which. One thing is clear though, Zimmerman stopped running (you can actually hear this on the tape), and spent the next three minutes on the phone with the dispatcher... while Martin was doing what, walking home? That was less than two minutes away at a walk, and we know from the tape that he started out running. The fact that he didn't make it home in those three minutes proves that he wasn't intending on going home, so what WAS he intending?
Zimmerman has NEVER said Trayvon TURNED AROUND and came BACK towards him (Zimmerman).
He can't say it if he didn't KNOW it. Martin could have cut in between buildings at three different places without Zimmerman seeing (Remember on the tape Zimmerman said: "I don't know where this kid is").
Therefore, Zimmerman had to have followed and physically confronted Trayvon.
Wrong conclusion based on facts not in evidence. Two people can walk a circle in opposite directions and meet half-way around, neither is "following" the other.

“Ludibrium est onus genio”

Since: Dec 11

Planet Earth

#8148 Jul 1, 2013
FKA Reader wrote:
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Did you listen today--including the interviews and the walk-thru?
Zim tried to deny having chased at all--claiming that the dispatcher wanted an address.
Many conflicts.
Nah, I don't get it (Dish basic). Was busy most of the day anyway. I'll catch a synopsis somewhere...
solid loaf

Portage, MI

#8149 Jul 1, 2013
DapperDave wrote:
a) George Zimmerman, against the advice/instructions of the 911 operator followed Trayvon Martin.
b) George Zimmerman exited his vehicle and physically confronted Trayvon Martin....making Zimmerman the agressor. Zimmerman can provde no logical explanation for this confrontational behavior.
Had Zimmerman a) heeded the advice/instructions of the 911 operator and b) remained in his vehicle Trayvon Martin would be alive today and George Zimmerman would not be on trial for murder.
George Zimmerman put himself in this situation by making two critical, stupid decisions.
George Zimmerman belongs behind bars so he has no more opportunities to harrass, attack or kill another young black male who is doing nothing more than walking down the street minding his own business and bothering no one.
This is essentially what George ZImmerman's minset was that night...
"You haven't done anything, but I just don't like the way you look. I'm gonna jump out of my car and harrass and/or physically attack or manhandle you, and if you take exception to being harrassed, or resist being physically attacked or manhandled then I'm going to shoot/kill you."
...and yet many folks actually think George Zimmerman was in the right?
let's not forget that martin is a 17 year old child whom zimmerman out weighed. Maybe if the jjury would've been from ohio they would've sent zim to prison just so he could leaarn how to fight. I know I like my conceal permits but if we don't make an example of punks like zimmerman, kiss it goodbye on a federal level. Thanks florida.
A special message from d pantz to all african american children in florida: don't walk home from the store after buying a bag of skittles. Send your white friend. Just move away if you can. God the south is something else..
d pantz

Portage, MI

#8150 Jul 1, 2013
Sorr forgot to change my screen name from solid loaf to d pantz. There is a poster on another thread named solid who I was mocking.
d pantz

Portage, MI

#8151 Jul 1, 2013
Anyway, if we are going to keep conceal carry laws we need to have a little more, no, a lot discretion. I would hope in my home buckeye state we would anyway....
Wait what

Galion, OH

#8152 Jul 1, 2013
FKA Reader wrote:
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Lying to a judsge under oath is not generally a move likely to curry favor. It just isn't.
Ooops!

SANFORD — Trayvon Martin's girlfriend, the state's most important witness in the George Zimmerman murder case, was caught in a lie, it was revealed Tuesday.

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2013-03-0...

“Ludibrium est onus genio”

Since: Dec 11

Planet Earth

#8153 Jul 1, 2013
FKA Reader wrote:
<quoted text>
Did you listen today--including the interviews and the walk-thru?
Zim tried to deny having chased at all--claiming that the dispatcher wanted an address.
Many conflicts.
Watched some coverage on Anderson Cooper.

Also testimony by the lady officer that such conflicts are not unusual. Both cops said he seemed straightforward, didn't see anything about his demeanor that alarmed them. One even said he believed Zimmerman. Also Pretty bad when the prosecutor badgers his own witnesses.

Also a mistake by prosecutors was showing the interviews. They just introduced his self defense defense without Zimmerman having to take the stand. Just as I said would happen if you'll remember.

Speaking as devil's advocate, If the prosecutors had been smart, they would have held off on those interviews, thus forcing Zimmerman to testify to self defense, then they could have used them on cross to rebut his testimony. it would also been closer to the end of the case, thus fresher in the jury's minds... It's almost like the prosecutor was trying to throw the case.

I really can't see where reasonable doubt has been overcome, and there aren't that many witnesses left.

“MAGA”

Since: May 13

Columbus, OH

#8154 Jul 2, 2013
FKA Reader wrote:
<quoted text>
Did you listen today--including the interviews and the walk-thru?
Zim tried to deny having chased at all--claiming that the dispatcher wanted an address.
Many conflicts.
Serino, the Lead Investigator pretended to have some "evidence" ready to spring. They had discovered he said, video footage of the events that evening. The defense asked,“and what did Zimmerman say when you told him that?” He said, "THANK GOD” Serino answered.

The last O’Mara question of the day, the last words the jury heard to take with them into the evening recess, could only be characterized as catastrophic for the State’s theory of the case. Looking directly at the man who had been the chief investigator on the case, who had possessed access to every bit of evidence of any sort, who had interviewed, and re-interviewed, and re-re-interviewed–applying increasing pressure from each interview to the next–O’Mara asked him:

“Do YOU think George Zimmerman was telling you the truth?”

Serino's succinct answer:“YES.”
Reality Speaks

Columbus, OH

#8155 Jul 2, 2013
DapperDave wrote:
<quoted text>
So, you're saying a single punch in the face, with no further aggressive behavior warrants a bullet to the head.
Well, let's explore this a little further...
How about a punch in the gut, with no further aggressive behavior?
How about a slap in the face...followed by no further aggressive/violent behavior?
How about an extremtly hard shove, with no further aggressive behavior?
How about if the puncher, slapper, shover is a female, or a teenager, or middle schooler?
So, if you're at a sporting event, or in a bar, or in the mall, or at a concert, or at the movies...a guy/gal starts arguing with you...people/friends get between the two of you...the guy/gal reaches over or between the people trying to seperate the two of you and delivers a punch/slap/shove. I suppose you're going to open fire...aiming for the person's head of course, because a bullet to the head is required, or to be expected, in such situations.
I don't believe I ever heard such a mindless line of reasoning publicly espoused. Your sub-human, brutish thinking is steeped in ignorance and violent barbarism.
And you want us to believe you possess and advanced degree from a respected univesity?
You are a sick, socially maladjusted, uncivilized, psycopathically violent, unthinking, murderous savage.
Good lord! You're crazier than a rabid skunk.
if if's and butts were candy and nuts, it would be Christmas everyday.
Reality Speaks

Columbus, OH

#8156 Jul 2, 2013
d pantz wrote:
Anyway, if we are going to keep conceal carry laws we need to have a little more, no, a lot discretion. I would hope in my home buckeye state we would anyway....
ummmmm....the conceal carry laws are unconstitutional.

read the 2nd amendment.

right to keep and bear arms.

we are keeping the 2nd amendment intact to protect your 1st amendment right to post BS like you did above.

Don't like it.....too bad....bullets say so.

“I Offer You Truth!”

Since: Jul 07

Tampa, FL

#8157 Jul 2, 2013
Reality Speaks wrote:
<quoted text>
if if's and butts were candy and nuts, it would be Christmas everyday.
Well, on this point there are no "ifs" and no "buts".

You are a sick, socially maladjusted, uncivilized, psycopathically violent, unthinking, murderous savage.

'nuff said!
Reality Speaks

Columbus, OH

#8158 Jul 2, 2013
DapperDave wrote:
<quoted text>
Well, on this point there are no "ifs" and no "buts".
You are a sick, socially maladjusted, uncivilized, psycopathically violent, unthinking, murderous savage.
'nuff said!
butt butt butt.....you are delusional.

Reality Speaks

Columbus, OH

#8159 Jul 2, 2013
FKA Reader wrote:
<quoted text>
Did you listen today--including the interviews and the walk-thru?
Zim tried to deny having chased at all--claiming that the dispatcher wanted an address.
Many conflicts.
the largest conflict is in your mind.

you can't tell right from wrong...you are mentally disturbed.

Fact check.....1000's of your prior posts.

PS: the dispatcher is equal to a cab dispatcher. They answer the phone, and send cars.

I don't receive guidance from phone operators. You do, and that says all we need to know about you SHEEP.

Go away troll....go ask the dude at McDonalds what you are supposed to do today.

“I Offer You Truth!”

Since: Jul 07

Tampa, FL

#8160 Jul 2, 2013
Reality Speaks wrote:
<quoted text>...
contrary to what you believe, if you punch an armed person in the face, expect a bullet in your head.
a life lesson free of charge adding years to your life.
I hope you learned something today, or tragedy repeats itself.
...
Well, here's a jack*ss who apprently harbors the same barbaric beliefs as you. Got into a fight (must have gotten punched in the face), then proceeded to lie in wait for the guy he fought with, followed him onto the highway, shot him three times, killing him.

http://www.tampabay.com/news/publicsafety/cri...

Turns out he went after the wrong guy. However, even if he had killed the guy he'd fought with he still be facing murder charges.

Brainless, violent nitwits like you and Jerome Hayes pose a serious threat to the rest of society and need to either be very closely monitored or locked away with other likeminded vicious animals.

"If you punch me I'll kill you!"

“I Offer You Truth!”

Since: Jul 07

Tampa, FL

#8161 Jul 2, 2013
TonyD2 wrote:
<quoted text>
He said "OK" and the running noises (can be clearly heard on the tape) stopped. There is no evidence whatsoever that he continued to follow Martin after that point.
<quoted text>
Lots of ways. There's NO evidence to indicate which. One thing is clear though, Zimmerman stopped running (you can actually hear this on the tape), and spent the next three minutes on the phone with the dispatcher... while Martin was doing what, walking home? That was less than two minutes away at a walk, and we know from the tape that he started out running. The fact that he didn't make it home in those three minutes proves that he wasn't intending on going home, so what WAS he intending?
<quoted text>
He can't say it if he didn't KNOW it. Martin could have cut in between buildings at three different places without Zimmerman seeing (Remember on the tape Zimmerman said: "I don't know where this kid is").
<quoted text>
Wrong conclusion based on facts not in evidence. Two people can walk a circle in opposite directions and meet half-way around, neither is "following" the other.
You're a liar!...so says the 911 transcript.

http://www.examiner.com/article/george-zimmer...

At the 2:26 mark the 911 operator tell Zimmerman he shouldn't follow Trayvon.
At the 2:34 mark Zimmerman responds "OK".
The call ends at the 4:07 mark, 1:33 after Zimmerman said "OK".

There's also no evidence Zimmerman didn't take up his pursuit of Trayvon after the call ended, after all he (Zimmerman) has been caught lying to a judge regarding the amount of money he had available to pay for a defense attorney.

ZImmerman said, at one point in the transcript, that Trayvon was coming towards him. Then he said Trayvon was running away. Well, if he ran away how did Zimmerman manage to come into contact with him...unless he pursued him.

Zimmerman's story just doesn't have the ring of truth to it.

On a side note, are you saying Martin can't take a walk through the neighborhood of his mother's boyfriend? Why, because he's black?

Damn! Well I guess I better stop taking walks through the neighbohood I live in, as well as the neighborhood my girlfriend lives in.

What Trayvon MIGHT have done, or what two people can/could do is irrelevant. What needs to be determined is what actually DID happen.

Try again, little fellow, because this latest pile of bullsh*t you tried to sneak past simply doesn't pass the smell test.

“Don't trust the internet!”

Since: Jan 12

Location hidden

#8162 Jul 2, 2013
TonyD2 wrote:
<quoted text>
Watched some coverage on Anderson Cooper.
Also testimony by the lady officer that such conflicts are not unusual. Both cops said he seemed straightforward, didn't see anything about his demeanor that alarmed them. One even said he believed Zimmerman. Also Pretty bad when the prosecutor badgers his own witnesses.
Also a mistake by prosecutors was showing the interviews. They just introduced his self defense defense without Zimmerman having to take the stand. Just as I said would happen if you'll remember.
Speaking as devil's advocate, If the prosecutors had been smart, they would have held off on those interviews, thus forcing Zimmerman to testify to self defense, then they could have used them on cross to rebut his testimony. it would also been closer to the end of the case, thus fresher in the jury's minds... It's almost like the prosecutor was trying to throw the case.
I really can't see where reasonable doubt has been overcome, and there aren't that many witnesses left.
Yes, keep watching.

I believe that the prosecution strategy is to point up discrepancies between various iterations of the story as well as conflicts with the forensic evidence.

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