Islam: Schloars Condemn UN-polygamy

Islam: Schloars Condemn UN-polygamy

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#1 Mar 12, 2013
http://www.memri.org/report/en/0/0/0/0/0/0/70...

The real war on women is not from the US conservatives, it's from Obama's MB...

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#2 Mar 12, 2013
-The-Artist- wrote:
http://www.memri.org/report/en /0/0/0/0/0/0/7063.htm
The real war on women is not from the US conservatives, it's from Obama's MB...
You throwing support behind the UN, now, Karl?

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#4 Mar 12, 2013
Looks like Muslims are being used as scapegoats. Apparently, however they are not alone.

"Halfway into their two-week annual meeting, delegates to the Commission on the Status of Women fear they will not be able to agree on a final communiqué, just like last year.

"Who is to blame? Delegates and activists are pointing fingers at the Vatican, Iran and Russia for trying to eliminate language in a draft communiqué asserting that the familiar excuses — religion, custom, tradition — cannot be used by governments to duck their obligation to eliminate violence. The United Nations Human Rights Council endorsed similar language just six months ago.

"Conservative hard-liners seem determined to fight it out again. They have also objected to references to abortion rights, as well as language suggesting that rape also includes forcible behavior by a woman’s husband or partner. Poland, Egypt, other Muslim states and conservative American Christian groups have criticized one or more parts of the draft. The efforts by the Vatican and Iran to control women are well known. It is not clear what motivates Russia, although there is a strong antifeminist strain in President Vladimir V. Putin’s government. He may also be trying to curry favor with Islamic states.

"In any case, the suggestion that traditional values justify the violation of basic human rights is spurious. As Inga Marte Thorkildsen, Norway’s gender equality minister, has noted,“Violence against women must be seen as a human rights issue, and that has nothing to do with culture or religion.”

"Gender-based violence is an epidemic. A World Bank report estimated that more women between the ages of 15 and 44 were at risk from rape and domestic violence than from cancer, car accidents, war and malaria combined. According to the United Nations and other sources, more than 600 million women live in countries where domestic violence is not considered a crime and more than 3 million girls are facing female genital mutilation. Women in all social, economic, ethnic and religious groups are affected. The conference will be a failure if it cannot produce ambitious global standards that will deliver concrete results to protect women and girls."

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/12/opinion/con...
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#5 Mar 12, 2013
Those schloars would know.

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#6 Mar 12, 2013
FKA Reader wrote:
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You throwing support behind the UN, now, Karl?
Inadvertently, yes.

I'm not fans of the UN, but it's nice to remind people about the reality of the Muslim Brotherhood.

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#7 Mar 12, 2013
-The-Artist- wrote:
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Inadvertently, yes.
I'm not fans of the UN, but it's nice to remind people about the reality of the Muslim Brotherhood.
Your article cited the International Union of Muslim Scholars. No mention of the Muslim Brotherhood.

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#8 Mar 12, 2013
-The-Artist- wrote:
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Inadvertently, yes.
I'm not fans of the UN, but it's nice to remind people about the reality of the Muslim Brotherhood.
You slammin' the Vatican as well?

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#9 Mar 12, 2013
FKA Reader wrote:
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Your article cited the International Union of Muslim Scholars. No mention of the Muslim Brotherhood.
The leader of that organization is Yusuf Al Qaradawi

He's a significant Muslim Brotherhood figure

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#10 Mar 12, 2013
FKA Reader wrote:
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You slammin' the Vatican as well?
I wasn't aware the Vatican was endorsing polygamy, I know the NYT hates them and was slandering them in with people promoting marital rape, but that isn't the subject of this thread.

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#12 Mar 12, 2013
-The-Artist- wrote:
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I wasn't aware the Vatican was endorsing polygamy, I know the NYT hates them and was slandering them in with people promoting marital rape, but that isn't the subject of this thread.
As I understand it, the subject of the thread is opposition to a contemplated statement by the United Nations with regard to violence against women. The scholars you noted have specific objections, however, as the NY Times article pointed out, so do a number of others, including the Vatican.

Many who post here have knee-jerk reactions of opposition to danged-near anything coming from the UN--yourself included.

As it happens, I believe that the issues being raised by the UN are quite serious and very real. And they are not likely to be resolved by using them to justify your hatred of some groups.

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#13 Mar 12, 2013
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As I understand it, the subject of the thread is opposition to a contemplated statement by the United Nations with regard to violence against women. The scholars you noted have specific objections, however, as the NY Times article pointed out, so do a number of others, including the Vatican.
Many who post here have knee-jerk reactions of opposition to danged-near anything coming from the UN--yourself included.
As it happens, I believe that the issues being raised by the UN are quite serious and very real. And they are not likely to be resolved by using them to justify your hatred of some groups.
Post 1 links to MEMRI, your initial post relates to the NYT.

What you did was try to shift from my Anti Islam narrative to create false moral equivalency.

I'm not concerned about meaningless UN action. They are working on a statement of principles, and I doubt that it plans on using a UN Army to supress violence against women, if it was you'd probably see me saying that it was a plot to implement gun confiscation.

Sorry shifter, but that dog don't hunt here.

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#14 Mar 12, 2013
-The-Artist- wrote:
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Post 1 links to MEMRI, your initial post relates to the NYT.
What you did was try to shift from my Anti Islam narrative to create false moral equivalency.
I'm not concerned about meaningless UN action. They are working on a statement of principles, and I doubt that it plans on using a UN Army to supress violence against women, if it was you'd probably see me saying that it was a plot to implement gun confiscation.
Sorry shifter, but that dog don't hunt here.
Lotsa floundering around there, fella.

Here's some info about the on-the-ground difficulty of truly implementing change, from Afghanistan:

"At an Oct. 10 conference in Kabul, the day after the Pakistani Taliban shot 14-year-old activist Malala Yousufzai, clerics denounced Taliban-style attacks on girls and women.

""Violence is found in a place where there is no understanding of religion and religious knowledge is low or absent," Mohammad Yousuf Niazi, minister of Hajj and Islamic affairs told conference participants. "I am asking the Islamic community to inform people and families about what the Quran had said and how it condemns the abuse of women."

"The clerics' conference statement said that forced marriage and child marriage are against Sharia and encouraged people to cooperate with the education of female citizens.

"During the conference, the Ministry of Women's Affairs announced the establishment of the Commission on Prevention of Violence against Women to work with religious leaders in all of the provinces to inform the public of the country's violence against women act, the German news agency Deutsche Welle reported Oct. 10."
http://womensenews.org/story/the-world/121018...

Point number one: not all Muslim clerics are in agreement regarding what the Quran/Sharia recommend with regard to women's roles and/or marriage.

Point number two: laws and policies are one thing, changing hearts and minds is quite another.

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