created by: Enzyte Bob | Mar 27, 2012

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If ObamaCare unconstitutional, who benefits most?

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  • Barry Soetoro (public forgets it ever happened)
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Mar 4, 2013
 
The only thing that benefits from Obamacare is the Federal Govt.

Taking over 20% of the entire private sector, so they can control the people.

The push back....those that earn a living in the medical field; and went to school for over a decade to be a licensed Doctor, are not going to accept patients with Obamacare.

The Govt is telling them what they can charge; and they are telling the Govt don't bother, we refuse your policy.

fact.

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Reality Speaks wrote:
The only thing that benefits from Obamacare is the Federal Govt.
Taking over 20% of the entire private sector, so they can control the people.
The push back....those that earn a living in the medical field; and went to school for over a decade to be a licensed Doctor, are not going to accept patients with Obamacare.
The Govt is telling them what they can charge; and they are telling the Govt don't bother, we refuse your policy.
fact.
yeap Obamacare & Individual Mandate which is a Tax the SCOTUS said is just like Social Security, Medicare & 401K since 401K gets name from the section of the US tax code and is formulated as a tax and why the Federal Government wants them which was a Democrat Idea and according to the SCOTUS in the case of Helvering v. Davis, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled that Social Security taxes are not contributions or savings, but simply taxes, and that Social Security benefits are simply a government spending program, no different than, say, farm price supports which Congress and the president may change, reduce, or even eliminate benefits at any time plus the SCOTUS ruled that Social Security was not a contributory insurance program, saying,“The proceeds of both the employee and employer taxes are to be paid into the Treasury like any other internal revenue generally, and are not earmarked in any way.”.

Helvering v. Davis

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Mar 4, 2013
 
Reality Speaks wrote:
The only thing that benefits from Obamacare is the Federal Govt.
Taking over 20% of the entire private sector, so they can control the people.
The push back....those that earn a living in the medical field; and went to school for over a decade to be a licensed Doctor, are not going to accept patients with Obamacare.
The Govt is telling them what they can charge; and they are telling the Govt don't bother, we refuse your policy.
fact.
RS--There will be no patients "with Obamacare" to turn away.

All care will be paid for through already existing venues: private insurance, Medicaid, Medicare.
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RS--There will be no patients "with Obamacare" to turn away.
All care will be paid for through already existing venues: private insurance, Medicaid, Medicare.
Spare us, Reader.

Banks used to build branches with Roman columns and marble in order to give the image of strength and stability, AND because it was a profitable business and they had the money to do so.

If you look at medical buildings today, most of them look like day spas. Granite, marble and not exactly the most utilitarian architecture.

I am all about visual design and having appealing surroundings, but I've never seen a Kroger or Sav-a-lot store with granite and marble.

Point being ... for them to be splurging like this on confiscated money, that means they are awash with it.

Libs like you just don't want to get to the root of the matter, which is that anything that is not subject to market forces is wasteful.

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Spare us, Reader.
Banks used to build branches with Roman columns and marble in order to give the image of strength and stability, AND because it was a profitable business and they had the money to do so.
If you look at medical buildings today, most of them look like day spas. Granite, marble and not exactly the most utilitarian architecture.
I am all about visual design and having appealing surroundings, but I've never seen a Kroger or Sav-a-lot store with granite and marble.
Point being ... for them to be splurging like this on confiscated money, that means they are awash with it.
Libs like you just don't want to get to the root of the matter, which is that anything that is not subject to market forces is wasteful.
Well, not in my neighborhood. And they have been accepting a lot more government subsidized patients for a much longer time.

Children's Hospital may be an exception--but they want to corner the market on Children in the Central Ohio area.
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RS--There will be no patients "with Obamacare" to turn away.
All care will be paid for through already existing venues: private insurance, Medicaid, Medicare.
except with your Obama care...my arthritis Doctor won't accept it for payment for services.

they take cash co-payment upon arrival; and bill insurance. My co-paymet is $35, not the $25 for a normal Dr visit.

no pay....no visit.

my Dr is a foreign immigrant woman.

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except with your Obama care...my arthritis Doctor won't accept it for payment for services.
they take cash co-payment upon arrival; and bill insurance. My co-paymet is $35, not the $25 for a normal Dr visit.
no pay....no visit.
my Dr is a foreign immigrant woman.
Ummmm, yeah.

That's pretty much how it works. They collect your co-pay at time of service and bill insurance for the remainder.

What exactly are they not accepting?
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Ummmm, yeah.
That's pretty much how it works. They collect your co-pay at time of service and bill insurance for the remainder.
What exactly are they not accepting?
any govt program of payment.

none.

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Makes sense to me to cut the Entitlements that are out of control and have been for years.

Obama renews offer to cut social safety nets

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any govt program of payment.
none.
An arthritis doc refusing to accept Medicare?

Interesting marketing strategy.
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An arthritis doc refusing to accept Medicare?
Interesting marketing strategy.
really? why?

when her day is completely filled with paying patients, why would she work for half price?

your lack of marketing, or what you think is strategy, is receiving pay commensurate with specialized medical experience cut in half.

how brilliant of you.

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really? why?
when her day is completely filled with paying patients, why would she work for half price?
your lack of marketing, or what you think is strategy, is receiving pay commensurate with specialized medical experience cut in half.
how brilliant of you.
Medicare coverage is pretty much universal in the over 65 age group.

This demographic overlaps pretty handily with the population most likely to seek care for arthritis.

So--if what you believe is the truth, she is serving a pretty narrow niche market of folks younger than 65 who have both arthritis severe enough to need treatment and private insurance.

Besides which, docs who make those kinds of decisions individually are the dinosaurs of the medical field these days. Most are employed by larger groups who look very carefully at eliminating any significant pay sources. Their tendancy is to look for ways to make up revenue through volume.

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An arthritis doc refusing to accept Medicare?
Interesting marketing strategy.
Arthritis is not a disease of just the elderly, darling. I have osteopena and the beginnings of osteoarthritis. I am also monitored for rheumatoid since it is genetic and I have a strong familial history of rheumatoid. Many athletes also tend to develop arthritis early due to injury. My daughter, a runner and a Tough Mudder competitor, has the beginnings of arthritis in her knees due to years of running, marching band and basketball in high school in college, and a torn maniscus (sp?) that was repaired.

And yes, a big trend now is for doctors to accept cash only patients. Medicare doesn't pay full rate of the services, doctors are getting tired of haggling with insurance companies...

I suggest you start here, very good article.

http://swampland.time.com/2013/02/21/health-c...

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Arthritis is not a disease of just the elderly, darling. I have osteopena and the beginnings of osteoarthritis. I am also monitored for rheumatoid since it is genetic and I have a strong familial history of rheumatoid. Many athletes also tend to develop arthritis early due to injury. My daughter, a runner and a Tough Mudder competitor, has the beginnings of arthritis in her knees due to years of running, marching band and basketball in high school in college, and a torn maniscus (sp?) that was repaired.
And yes, a big trend now is for doctors to accept cash only patients. Medicare doesn't pay full rate of the services, doctors are getting tired of haggling with insurance companies...
I suggest you start here, very good article.
http://swampland.time.com/2013/02/21/health-c...
What RS was describing was NOT a cash only provider. I believe he was confused into believing this was the case because he was required to pay his co-pay at the time of service.

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Arthritis is not a disease of just the elderly, darling. I have osteopena and the beginnings of osteoarthritis. I am also monitored for rheumatoid since it is genetic and I have a strong familial history of rheumatoid. Many athletes also tend to develop arthritis early due to injury. My daughter, a runner and a Tough Mudder competitor, has the beginnings of arthritis in her knees due to years of running, marching band and basketball in high school in college, and a torn maniscus (sp?) that was repaired.
And yes, a big trend now is for doctors to accept cash only patients. Medicare doesn't pay full rate of the services, doctors are getting tired of haggling with insurance companies...
I suggest you start here, very good article.
http://swampland.time.com/2013/02/21/health-c...
Read what I wrote. I said that she had defined a very small niche demographic--those under 65 with both arthritis and private insurance. And I suppose you could also throw in those without insurance willing and able to pay cash.

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Arthritis is not a disease of just the elderly, darling. I have osteopena and the beginnings of osteoarthritis. I am also monitored for rheumatoid since it is genetic and I have a strong familial history of rheumatoid. Many athletes also tend to develop arthritis early due to injury. My daughter, a runner and a Tough Mudder competitor, has the beginnings of arthritis in her knees due to years of running, marching band and basketball in high school in college, and a torn maniscus (sp?) that was repaired.
And yes, a big trend now is for doctors to accept cash only patients. Medicare doesn't pay full rate of the services, doctors are getting tired of haggling with insurance companies...
I suggest you start here, very good article.
http://swampland.time.com/2013/02/21/health-c...
Your correct I have a cousin who was diagnosed at 23 years of age of having rheumatoid arthritis and he moved like an old man but now at 44 he shows no physical symptoms like he did of having rheumatoid arthritis which the doctors told him that it is in remission but the doctors said that the blood test still show that the rheumatoid arthritis is still found in his body and the symptoms could come back anytime.

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<quoted text>Your correct I have a cousin who was diagnosed at 23 years of age of having rheumatoid arthritis and he moved like an old man but now at 44 he shows no physical symptoms like he did of having rheumatoid arthritis which the doctors told him that it is in remission but the doctors said that the blood test still show that the rheumatoid arthritis is still found in his body and the symptoms could come back anytime.
Did not know it could go into remission. It's actually an attack by the immune system on the joints. Interesting. My mom had it for years.

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Medicare coverage is pretty much universal in the over 65 age group.
This demographic overlaps pretty handily with the population most likely to seek care for arthritis.
So--if what you believe is the truth, she is serving a pretty narrow niche market of folks younger than 65 who have both arthritis severe enough to need treatment and private insurance.
Besides which, docs who make those kinds of decisions individually are the dinosaurs of the medical field these days. Most are employed by larger groups who look very carefully at eliminating any significant pay sources. Their tendancy is to look for ways to make up revenue through volume.
Not quite. A very superior surgeon friend of mine has not accepted medicare or medicaid for almost a decade. The goverment is painfully slow and low pay.

Now, Peter will do surgeries 'pro bono' when he chooses. A true gentleman.

And I already know other docs that are going to opt out, if not entire hospitals. Beyond the slow and low pay, they look upon it as unconstitutional in three different areas.

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Arthritis is not a disease of just the elderly, darling. I have osteopena and the beginnings of osteoarthritis. I am also monitored for rheumatoid since it is genetic and I have a strong familial history of rheumatoid. Many athletes also tend to develop arthritis early due to injury. My daughter, a runner and a Tough Mudder competitor, has the beginnings of arthritis in her knees due to years of running, marching band and basketball in high school in college, and a torn maniscus (sp?) that was repaired.
And yes, a big trend now is for doctors to accept cash only patients. Medicare doesn't pay full rate of the services, doctors are getting tired of haggling with insurance companies...
I suggest you start here, very good article.
http://swampland.time.com/2013/02/21/health-c...
All three of my cousins had early onset of arthritis, I believe because their father had them playing tackle football at very young ages and through college. And getting knocked around by race horses.

Very traumatic, painful, debilitating. Are there any supplements your daughter could be taking now to slow it down?

I usually pay my co-pay at the time of the visit and hear nothing more from the doctor's office. Doctor's and dentists I know well, I also ask what discount I get for 'cash.'

Constitutionally, in serious discussions, many feel it trambles on thier freedom of religion, taxation without representation and free speech. Also as an infridgement on the commerce laws.

I'm not arguing this with you, Twister, this is what the medical professionals tell me about Obamacare. So no challenges to me.

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Did not know it could go into remission. It's actually an attack by the immune system on the joints. Interesting. My mom had it for years.
yeah its weird even the doctors say that because he can move around like he use to when he was younger and everything but your right its a autoimmune disorder where the body turns on itself and affects other organs of the body if not kept under control but up to last year he was having & developed breathing problems and the specialists couldnt figure it out but hear to find out it was the Rheumatoid Arthritis that was affecting his lungs and creating scar tissue on them which is irrevsible but no other physical signs. What is real weird about Rheumatoid arthritis is that when Women are pregnant all the symptoms disapper and doctors cant figure out why and the only thing that they can figure out is that is has to do the change of Hormones in their bodies.

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