Gun Control Under Obama

“Ludibrium est onus genio”

Since: Dec 11

Planet Earth

#1763 Jan 11, 2013
Anonymous of Indy wrote:
<quoted text>that Socialism when Government gets involved economically just like the Sherman Anti Trust Act is a product of Socialism because it goes against Free Market Capitalism by making the Federal Government the Regulator & Monoplies are inherit to Capitalism and US Constitution goes against Capitalism because of Commerce Clause(Clause 3) which again Capitalism rejects.
Capitalism is an economic system, not a system of government. Rejection is irrelevant. You must comply with the laws of the government you operate under. If you don't like those laws, you are free to ply your capitalism elsewhere (assuming "elsewhere" wants you). Mixing creates, rather than solves problems. Peddling influence is one of the biggest ones... it plays a part in all the others.

“Meh.”

Since: Aug 10

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#1764 Jan 12, 2013
Anonymous of Indy wrote:
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In both the U.S. and Japan, the "New Left" was associated with the Hippie movement and college campus protest movements. The American New Left in particular opposed what it saw as the prevailing authority structures in society, which it termed "The Establishment", and those who rejected this authority became known as "anti-Establishment" .
The Japanese campus protest movement stemming from the 1970's has a rather hardline, militant approach while addressing goals very different from those which have been traditionally associated with US causes. The lack of an official standing military and use instead of constitutionally mandated self defence forces meant that a great deal of the US's concern with millitary participation and action weren't able to be shared by Japanese protest movements. While we are able to clearly recognize US protest movements as having liberal or left wing concerns, many of the positions help by Japanese regional protest movements would be labelled right wing by Western observers. Anti immigration protests, protesting action from Kitajosei, demands for the further development of the traditional lifelong-career economy would all be considered by Western observers as right wing actions. Only recently, with the developments of Japanese involvement in the US wars in the middle East, the anti-nuclear backlash following the Daiichi and the (very small) movement to involve Aiko-sama in the line of succession have begun to emerge, showing a pattern we might more readily link with American protest movements in the 1960s and 1970s. Japan still hasn't seen a proper women's rights movement, as we would recognize in the West.

While I would cheerfully link American and Japanese protest movements through their concentration on campuses, to link the Japanese early protests to the hippie movement seems less than accurate, given the way we in the West view the tone and causes of the movement.

“Meh.”

Since: Aug 10

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#1765 Jan 12, 2013
TonyD2 wrote:
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Capitalism is an economic system, not a system of government. Rejection is irrelevant. You must comply with the laws of the government you operate under. If you don't like those laws, you are free to ply your capitalism elsewhere (assuming "elsewhere" wants you). Mixing creates, rather than solves problems. Peddling influence is one of the biggest ones... it plays a part in all the others.
This is what I don't really understand about all the more hyperbolic folks on here. It's pretty easy to leave. And if you're really interested in a low tax, free market country, there's rather a few to choose from. If folks really believed all this Hilter-brownshirt-dictatorship -death of America flounce, why not shut up and move some place that better suits your ideals and level of comfort.

I'm not much into the "if you don't like it, leave" argument, but when it develops into "if you really think that the US government wants to torture you and eat your babies, you might be more comfortable elsewhere" seems a lot less dismissive.
WiseAmerican

Columbus, OH

#1766 Jan 12, 2013
TonyD2 wrote:
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And right now they're paying the capitalists $40 billion a month (that's more than welfare and food stamps combined) to buy their mortgage backed securities... and billing it to your children and grandchildren!
Yet, you'll hear EVERY Republican and Ron Paul types complain about the puplic food stamp program ( welfare was reformed in 1996) and say nothing about the $40 billion in giveaways to people who are already millionaires. That, is my beef! Stop bullying the destitute and be fair in the finger pointing.
WiseAmerican

Columbus, OH

#1767 Jan 12, 2013
Anonymous of Indy wrote:
<quoted text>the United State will if the 2nd amendment is taken away or restricted in anyway and we as citizens will experience what the Russian People dealt & experienced under Lenin & Stalin.
AGAIN! The only people in America that cannot exercise their 2nd amendment right are those convicted of a felony!!!!!! This thread talking about the "government" removing the 2nd from the constitution is hyperbolic BS! And not every democrat are against owning guns! The black community which votes democrat a majority of the time, Do Not favor tighter restrictions on gun ownership! Those blacks who have the privilege of getting a microphone shoved in their faces or being on TV do not speak for the majority of blacks.
Blacks only support the sharpton types when there's a questionable shooting by a cop or a something like that. Blacks as a whole have more to fear from government gun confiscations that any white suburban.
WiseAmerican

Columbus, OH

#1768 Jan 12, 2013
TonyD2 wrote:
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I think the right to vote will be second to disappear.
If you're talking about the GOP's attempts to stop blacks from voting I would have to agree with that statement:

Obama, Biden celebrate in confetti cloud
But anyone with half a brain could see that the GOP was desperate to upend the coalition that proved so pivotal to Obama in 2008. All over the country GOP-led legislatures and governors rushed to pass voter ID laws, only to see federal courts reject a number of them that clearly weren't thought through properly.
In Ohio, the voter suppression tactics were outrageous. After public pressure mounted to stop the practice of extending early voting in GOP-leaning counties and cutting them in Democratic-leaning counties, Ohio Secretary of State Jon Husted had no choice but to equalize early voting periods.
Such decisions, frankly, ticked off black activists, politicians, and civil rights groups to the point their voter registration campaigns went into overdrive. I talked to officials in multiple states, and the anger could be heard in their voices. Social media played a role as every new voter suppression effort was exposed, setting off a litany of complaints.

Fla. Republican: We wanted to suppress black votes
Florida's disgraced former GOP chairman says the party had meetings about "keeping blacks from voting"
WiseAmerican

Columbus, OH

#1769 Jan 12, 2013
Seriouslady wrote:
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Yes it worked. WHEN there was integrity. Very little these days. The majority of the country is self absorbed about what they can get without working, and the majority of the politicians, or potential leaders are self absorbed about how much they can give them to get their vote and their own government salary. So much so that they are willing, even anxious to change all demographics through loose immigration laws and voter fraud.
Acorn: Obama's crowning achievement.
Oh,really! And I guess you feel it is the duty of all lilly white 'conservatives' to stop or prevent large numbers of blacks from voting also!

Former Florida Republican Party chairman Jim Greer in 2008(Credit: AP/Reinhold Matay)
In the debate over new laws meant to curb voter fraud in places like Florida, Democrats always charge that Republicans are trying to suppress the vote of liberal voting blocs like blacks and young people, while Republicans just laugh at such ludicrous and offensive accusations. That is, every Republican except for Florida’s former Republican Party chairman Jim Greer, who, scorned by his party and in deep legal trouble, blew the lid off what he claims was a systemic effort to suppress the black vote. In a 630-page deposition recorded over two days in late May, Greer, who is on trial for corruption charges, unloaded a litany of charges against the “whack-a-do, right-wing crazies” in his party, including the effort to suppress the black vote.

Don't give me that voter fraud BS!
WiseAmerican

Columbus, OH

#1770 Jan 12, 2013
Seriouslady wrote:
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I'll second that. I have many Jewish friends. And according to the Bible, they are God's chosen people.
Not the Keyans.
It will all culminate in Israel and we already knows who wins.
Come up to the New Testament, it's called 'new' for a reason! ANYONE who accepts Yashua (Jesus) as their Lord and savior, and live in accordance to his teachings WILL be saved. It doesn't say that the 'Jews' are HIS chosen people. It (bible) does say that the 'Jews' will make a covenant with the Antichrist and HE will betray them: One Provision of that Covenant Between the Antichrist and Israel might permit the Jews to Rebuild Their Temple which must be rebuilt in Jerusalem as the unbelieving Jews will once again resume their sacrifices.

At the halfway point of the Tribulation which is three and a half years, the Antichrist will break this covenant with Israel with an event called "The Abomination of Desolation." Abomination of Desolation This also signals there is only three and a half more years remaining before Christ returns to earth to set up His Earthly Kingdom.

So stop this misunderstanding about the Jews! Most of them are not believers in Jesus, and because of people like you the majority of our problems arise from them controlling our banking system world wide, and Hollywood and the music industry ,that produces gangster rap that has black youth acting savagely.
WiseAmerican

Columbus, OH

#1771 Jan 12, 2013
Seriouslady wrote:
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You assume the military is going to take direction from a president they did not support who has just submitted a coward mouthpiece for Sec. of Defense, who will lead them into harm's way by cutting their numbers, and after four months of lying about the deaths in Benghazi.
Don't be too sure the military will go along with any of it. Or law enforcement for that matter.
Do you think the game warden who's family has known mine for going on three generations is going to come demand my gun? No way. I don't own a gun anyway.
What 'military' are you talking about Army, Marines, Air force, Navy, National Guard? You know not all of those men/women hate Obama, don't you? Oh, we know the Republican ones do, but how many are they compared to the majority? You can only speak for your very small circle of people. Country folk tend to believe their reality is shared by a lot more people than it actually is!
George Jefferson Little

Delaware, OH

#1772 Jan 12, 2013
lol
George Jefferson Little

Delaware, OH

#1773 Jan 12, 2013
WiseAmerican wrote:
<quoted text> What 'military' are you talking about Army, Marines, Air force, Navy, National Guard? You know not all of those men/women hate Obama, don't you? Oh, we know the Republican ones do, but how many are they compared to the majority? You can only speak for your very small circle of people. Country folk tend to believe their reality is shared by a lot more people than it actually is!
Walt is that you?

Since: Nov 12

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#1774 Jan 12, 2013
Hugh Victor Thompson III wrote:
<quoted text>Hello, LIG.
LOL, I stop using Life is Good months ago. You're behind on the times. Get a newspaper & catch up. Wait, better yet, get a Wall Stret Journal. I almost said Walt (wait)

Since: Aug 11

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#1775 Jan 12, 2013
TonyD2 wrote:
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Capitalism is an economic system, not a system of government. Rejection is irrelevant. You must comply with the laws of the government you operate under. If you don't like those laws, you are free to ply your capitalism elsewhere (assuming "elsewhere" wants you). Mixing creates, rather than solves problems. Peddling influence is one of the biggest ones... it plays a part in all the others.
Capitalism, Communism, & Socialim where all terms created by Karl Marxs and are considered Marxist but you are still advocating Socialism in some form which Marxs calls a Hybrid form of Socalism because you want the Federal Government involved to protect you economically from the wealthy buy implementing laws and why the US is based on a hybird form of Socialism.

Since: Aug 11

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#1776 Jan 12, 2013
WiseAmerican wrote:
<quoted text> Yet, you'll hear EVERY Republican and Ron Paul types complain about the puplic food stamp program ( welfare was reformed in 1996) and say nothing about the $40 billion in giveaways to people who are already millionaires. That, is my beef! Stop bullying the destitute and be fair in the finger pointing.
exactly, Republicans & Ron Pauls types love Welfare too but they call Republican Welfare subsidizing which Corporate Welfare.

Government Spends More on Corporate Welfare Subsidies than Social Welfare Programs

http://thinkbynumbers.org/government-spending...

Voters See ‘Corporate Welfare’ Programs As A Good Place To Cut Government Spending

http://thinkbynumbers.org/government-spending...

Corporate Welfare

http://thinkbynumbers.org/category/government...
Che Reagan Christ

Medina, OH

#1777 Jan 12, 2013
Anonymous of Indy wrote:
<quoted text>the United State will if the 2nd amendment is taken away or restricted in anyway and we as citizens will experience what the Russian People dealt & experienced under Lenin & Stalin.
The 2d amendment already has been restricted. Why hasn't it happened yet?
VADoc

Wilmington, OH

#1778 Jan 12, 2013
Pale Rider wrote:
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That is your point of view, that proves nothing. At least the police officer did his job. Below in a real episode by an armed civilian nearly killed an innocent person. Your point is taken. Maybe you practice regularly? What would you do, if you were in a theater in the dark, and a man with an assault rifle started shooting? Would you shoot or run, duck for cover. Or kill someone by accident. What would happen to you if that happened? I doubt, you would care to face a shooter with an assault rifle, would you? You would have no chance, with a pistol in daylight unless you were behind the shooter. There would be people running in every direction. Your training is good for varmint hunting, deer hunting, hunting rabbits, Etc. Not for taking down another human. Do you practice for killing a human? Read below for the real thing, you mentioned. Of course, if there were a million of the same episodes, would prove not one thing to you anyway. Do you practice with a pistol, shotgun? Do you practice with an assault rifle? Do you own an assault rifle? What do you need with a killing machine?
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/41018893/ns/slate...
Read up on IDPA and IPSC. Also I've been through several practical shooting schools. Schools where they teach you scenarios of what to do in a shoot out. Think of it as military firearms training in the private sector.

To answer your question I practice with several pistols, shotguns, assault rifles, and even self defense hand to hand combat.

Trust me a well trained shooter with a pistol could have destroyed most assault rifle wielding novice. Plenty of places to shoot from concealment in the theater. Had I been in the theater in Colorado and been allowed to carry (wasnt the theater banning concealed carry) I would have taken cover and returned fire. I know in such a situation running makes you a target. The gunman would be watching the exits and shooting moving targets. Yes he may have been wearing body armor, but a few .40 shots to the torso or arms would have been enough to make the shooter stop I'm sure.

Again you run your mouth about something you know nothin about.
Che Reagan Christ

Medina, OH

#1779 Jan 12, 2013
Anonymous of Indy wrote:
<quoted text>US Civil War.
The US Civil War was over First Amendment rights? Huh.
Che Reagan Christ

Medina, OH

#1780 Jan 12, 2013
Hugh Victor Thompson III wrote:
<quoted text>When, in your life, have you needed to do so?
You really are a moron.
What?
VADoc

Wilmington, OH

#1781 Jan 12, 2013
Pale Rider wrote:
During an interview on CNN's "Piers Morgan Tonight," Kelly countered many of the arguments from gun rights advocates for solving shooting-relating problems, especially putting armed guards in schools. The former combat pilot said he had friends who had been elite Navy SEALs and they thought it was a “ridiculous” idea.
Hearsay. Opinion and no proof of who said it. I could say I have friends in law enforcement who think armed guards in schools is a good step in the right direction, but you would just disregard my point of view because that's all you can do. You've proven time and time again on this thread and previous ones you have no desire to discuss the issue. You simply want to say assault rifles are evil and should be banned. You won't be swayed. You are simply trolling.
Che Reagan Christ

Medina, OH

#1782 Jan 12, 2013
Hugh Victor Thompson III wrote:
<quoted text>Has it? The "Fairness Doctrine" doesn't support your statement.
How so?

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