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Capitalism is the ONLY reason this country has survived as long as it has. IF I don't like one capitalist, I will buy from another. If I don't like any of them, I will create, gather, hunt for, grow, or barter for what I want/need. If you think the capitalists control you, you are weak.
because of Socialism the US isnt no where near Capitalism and never has been the Useful Idiots have been educated to believe that Socialism is Capitalism for one in Capitalism there is no taxes and need for taxes everything is privately owned.
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Jan 11, 2013
 
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<quoted text>Really? And how does one defend printing presses, broadcast outlets, internet servers or even individuals on a soapbox without arms?
When has anyone, since 1776, needed arms to do so?
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Jan 11, 2013
 
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<quoted text>I dont believe that like Valdimir Lenin said "One man with a gun can control 100 without one."
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I don't recall the United States either having a populace or a system of government any where near that of Lenin, either.

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I don't recall the United States either having a populace or a system of government any where near that of Lenin, either.
the United State will if the 2nd amendment is taken away or restricted in anyway and we as citizens will experience what the Russian People dealt & experienced under Lenin & Stalin.

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Che Reagan Christ wrote:
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When has anyone, since 1776, needed arms to do so?
US Civil War.

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Che Reagan Christ wrote:
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When has anyone, since 1776, needed arms to do so?
When, in your life, have you needed to do so?
You really are a moron.

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Che Reagan Christ wrote:
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With bravery, intellect, and integrity. It has worked for over 200 years.
Has it? The "Fairness Doctrine" doesn't support your statement.

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Capitalism is the ONLY reason this country has survived as long as it has. IF I don't like one capitalist, I will buy from another. If I don't like any of them, I will create, gather, hunt for, grow, or barter for what I want/need. If you think the capitalists control you, you are weak.
Well said. to me,opportunity means allows capitalism and capitalism pays all the bills.

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With bravery, intellect, and integrity. It has worked for over 200 years.
Yes it worked. WHEN there was integrity. Very little these days. The majority of the country is self absorbed about what they can get without working, and the majority of the politicians, or potential leaders are self absorbed about how much they can give them to get their vote and their own government salary. So much so that they are willing, even anxious to change all demographics through loose immigration laws and voter fraud.

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Well said. to me,opportunity means allows capitalism and capitalism pays all the bills.
In this article, we'll explore capitalism: its roots, principles and effects, benefits and shortcomings. We'll find out how capitalism compares to the alternative method of doing business. Incidentally, the United States doesn't actually practice capitalism. No one does these days.

Today, the economies of nations that are typically referred to as capitalist are in fact mixed economies -- they incorporate certain aspects of capitalism and certain aspects of planed economies. In pure capitalism, things like child labor laws, Social Security, anti-discriminatory hiring practices and a minimum wage have no place. Capitalism rejects all government intervention in economic matters.

http://money.howstuffworks.com/capitalism.htm

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Che Reagan Christ wrote:
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When has anyone, since 1776, needed arms to do so?
Junior, count the wars or 'offensives and police actions' the US has been engaged in since 1776. Like Indy says, start with the Civil War.
How about all those guns our military used to steal the native Ameicans land out from under them? That was acceptable to you? And giving them blankets laced with small pox to eliminate them?
You better take a sweeping look at your priorities.

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<quoted text>In this article, we'll explore capitalism: its roots, principles and effects, benefits and shortcomings. We'll find out how capitalism compares to the alternative method of doing business. Incidentally, the United States doesn't actually practice capitalism. No one does these days.
Today, the economies of nations that are typically referred to as capitalist are in fact mixed economies -- they incorporate certain aspects of capitalism and certain aspects of planed economies. In pure capitalism, things like child labor laws, Social Security, anti-discriminatory hiring practices and a minimum wage have no place. Capitalism rejects all government intervention in economic matters.
http://money.howstuffworks.com/capitalism.htm
Several points taken and valid. Thanks. I do support no government intervention into economic matters.:-) They've done so well with it.

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Offer first first person evidence for your claim.
If I could have gotten 51 votes in the Senate of the United States for an outright ban, picking up every one of them...'Mr. and Mrs. America, turn 'em all in,' I would have done it - Diane Feinstein

"I do not believe in people owning guns. Guns should be owned only by the police and military. I am going to do everything I can to disarm this state." - Michael Dukakis

"The second article of amendment (Second Amendment) to the Constitution of the United States is repealed." (U.S. House Joint Resolution 438 introduced 11 March 1992 by Congressman Owens, D-NY)

"We’re going to have to take this one step at a time, and the first step is necessarily - given the political realities - going to be very modest. Right now, though, we’d be satisfied not with half a loaf but with a slice. Our ultimate goal - total control of all guns - is going to take time.....The final problem is to make the possession of all handguns and all handgun ammunition - except for the military, policemen, licensed security guards, licensed sporting clubs and licensed gun collectors - totally illegal." - Nelson T. Shields III (Founder, Handgun Control, Inc./National Council to Control Handguns) in the New Yorker Magazine, p.57-58, 26 Jul 76

"I don't care if you want to hunt, I don't care if you think it's your right. I say 'Sorry.' it's 1999. We have had enough as a nation. You are not allowed to own a gun, and if you do own a gun I think you should go to prison."
- Rosie O'Donnell

"In fact, the assault weapons ban will have no significant effect either on the crime rate or on personal security. Nonetheless, it is a good idea .... Its only real justification is not to reduce crime but to desensitize the public to the regulation of weapons in preparation for their ultimate confiscation." - Charles Krauthammer (columnist), Disarm the Citizenry. But Not Yet, Washington Post, Apr. 5, 1996

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Capitalism rejects all government intervention in economic matters.
Government shouldn't intervene in economic matters. It should, however, protect the rights of any citizen against attack by any other (the capitalist, for example. Capitalism is still capitalism, it is just complying with the laws of the land (when in Rome...)

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Several points taken and valid. Thanks. I do support no government intervention into economic matters.:-) They've done so well with it.
And right now they're paying the capitalists $40 billion a month (that's more than welfare and food stamps combined) to buy their mortgage backed securities... and billing it to your children and grandchildren!

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Several points taken and valid. Thanks. I do support no government intervention into economic matters.:-) They've done so well with it.
Exactly and why we are in this economical mess because of poor piss Government Intervention in economical matters and why I say it isnt Capitalism especially when the Government takes money from some citizens in the form of taxes to provide for others which is why our US economy aligns with Socialism and if the Federal Government wanted too they could tax 100% of everyones income according to this article then we would be heading towards the direction of Communism and right now on how the Federal Government is looking at ways to pay the federal debt it has me wondering.

The Real Problem Is The 16th Amendment

The 16th amendment more or less declares that all of our income is the property of the Federal government. Any amount they let us keep is the result of the benevolence of Congress. The Courts have ruled as such throughout the history of the income tax. This includes any income, from gifts to fringe benefits. If your employer pays for a business lunch, the Federal government can tax you for 100% of your lunch if they so desire. There are of course loopholes and all sorts of deductions and write offs. But those are all by the grace of Congress. According to the Courts and the 16th amendment Congress doesn’t have to write any deductions into law. They’re entitled to everything.

http://stevenbirnspeaks.com/2012/06/29/the-re...

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Government shouldn't intervene in economic matters. It should, however, protect the rights of any citizen against attack by any other (the capitalist, for example. Capitalism is still capitalism, it is just complying with the laws of the land (when in Rome...)
that Socialism when Government gets involved economically just like the Sherman Anti Trust Act is a product of Socialism because it goes against Free Market Capitalism by making the Federal Government the Regulator & Monoplies are inherit to Capitalism and US Constitution goes against Capitalism because of Commerce Clause(Clause 3) which again Capitalism rejects.

The Sherman Antitrust Act (Sherman Act, July 2, 1890, ch. 647, 26 Stat. 209, 15 U.S.C.§§ 1–7) is a landmark federal statute on competition law passed by Congress in 1890. It prohibits certain business activities that reduce competition in the marketplace, and requires the United States federal government to investigate and pursue trusts, companies, and organizations suspected of being in violation. It was the first Federal statute to limit cartels and monopolies, and today still forms the basis for most antitrust litigation by the United States federal government.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sherman_Antitrus...

Article 1, Section 8

Clause 3. To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes;

Congress has the power to impose regulations on interstate and international business. This "interstate commerce clause" has been quite controversial in the history of constitutional law; for a long time, judges tended to read the clause narrowly, overturning federal laws they deemed focused mainly on regulating economic activity within states rather than between them. Since the 1930s, however, judges have tended to read the clause broadly, allowing the government to regulate all kinds of economic activity—by setting a national minimum wage, for example.

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In Switzerland every man has to put two years in the melitia and they get to keep their assault rifle upon completion. Please note I said "man". The women in switzerland are not offended because of that. AT last- real women. There was a recent incident there, where some guy tried to rob a store with his rifle and he failed. The reason he failed was because the clerk recognized the rifle and by looking at it pointed toward him he could tell that it wasn't loaded. He pulled the rifle out of his attackers hands and smacked him accross the head with it. See how it helps to be educated about guns and know how to use them?
A weapons ban in the USA will start another civil war. If there is a weapons ban not too many will comply and immediately after the next election the Republicans will get rid of the ban. "Gun control" is a different subject -- Hitler started gun control and seized ALL FIEARMS JUST BEFORE HE STARTED KILLING jEWS. Look it up! That is the result of gun control--it's not about guns; it's about control. We don't need that.

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And right now they're paying the capitalists $40 billion a month (that's more than welfare and food stamps combined) to buy their mortgage backed securities... and billing it to your children and grandchildren!
those are Socialist too the TARP reciepents, they just have a different Idea How Socialism(Government Economical Policy) should work & mimic Capitalism for the minorty(Wealthy or Elite on Wall Street) vs the majority of americans.

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In Switzerland every man has to put two years in the melitia and they get to keep their assault rifle upon completion. Please note I said "man". The women in switzerland are not offended because of that. AT last- real women. There was a recent incident there, where some guy tried to rob a store with his rifle and he failed. The reason he failed was because the clerk recognized the rifle and by looking at it pointed toward him he could tell that it wasn't loaded. He pulled the rifle out of his attackers hands and smacked him accross the head with it. See how it helps to be educated about guns and know how to use them?
A weapons ban in the USA will start another civil war. If there is a weapons ban not too many will comply and immediately after the next election the Republicans will get rid of the ban. "Gun control" is a different subject -- Hitler started gun control and seized ALL FIEARMS JUST BEFORE HE STARTED KILLING jEWS. Look it up! That is the result of gun control--it's not about guns; it's about control. We don't need that.
Hitler did and made it easier for people not to be able to resist change that German Society took.

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