Reality Speaks

Columbus, OH

#1597 Jan 10, 2013
Duke for Mayor wrote:
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I disagree. I think that reasonable regulations could reduce the frequency and degree of fatality of attacks such as Newtown and Aurora, just as reasonable regulations have reduced deaths caused by drunk drivers.
Ever driven through Detroit into Windsor? Look up the firearm death statistics in those two cities, separated by an imaginary line in the middle of a river.
woof
you are forgetting that the shooter in CT was not old enough to own a handgun in the first place.

Since: Oct 10

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#1599 Jan 10, 2013
Reality Speaks wrote:
you can not legislate evil away..........impossible
How about President Obama announce that starting now.......we are going to enforce our gun laws on the books to the max; and if you commit a crime with a firearm, expect 25 years of hard labor. Kill someone.......25 years hard labor, then buried.
then on all firearms with over 5 shot magazines have 30 day investigation period on buyer.
above 2 will do all you can to legislate evil.
But the criminals would use straw buyers or just break into somewhere and steal whatever gun they wanted. Lord, thanks to that crazy news paper you can locate them online now. No criminal EVER think they are going to get caught. I have a friend who's a caseworker in a prison. And they're all innocent.

“Hey, Sarge!”

Since: Dec 10

The Milky Way

#1600 Jan 10, 2013
How many black youth have been killed by guns? Where are the talking heads of the black community?

You know who they are for photo ops!

“Larchmont's Leading Citizen”

Since: Dec 12

Hilliard, OH

#1601 Jan 10, 2013
Duke for Mayor wrote:
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I disagree. I think that reasonable regulations could reduce the frequency and degree of fatality of attacks such as Newtown and Aurora, just as reasonable regulations have reduced deaths caused by drunk drivers.
Ever driven through Detroit into Windsor? Look up the firearm death statistics in those two cities, separated by an imaginary line in the middle of a river.
woof
Look up the demographics for each city. 82.7% vs 3.9%.
Che Reagan Christ

Lodi, OH

#1602 Jan 10, 2013
Seriouslady wrote:
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But the criminals would use straw buyers or just break into somewhere and steal whatever gun they wanted. Lord, thanks to that crazy news paper you can locate them online now. No criminal EVER think they are going to get caught. I have a friend who's a caseworker in a prison. And they're all innocent.
I thought you were a caseworker in a prison.

“Larchmont's Leading Citizen”

Since: Dec 12

Hilliard, OH

#1603 Jan 10, 2013
Che Reagan Christ wrote:
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I thought you were a caseworker in a prison.
In the prison of your mind.

“Ludibrium est onus genio”

Since: Dec 11

Planet Earth

#1604 Jan 10, 2013
FKA Reader wrote:
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You have a bit of a conundrum there, though, Tony. If the law redefines who may legally own a weapon, or what weapons they may own, it's not quite the same thing as taking weapons away from those who are law-abiding. If law-abiding they would abide by the law and turn them in, or not buy them, or register them, or whatever it is that the new law would provide--would they not?
It would depend on whether someone thought the law was reasonable, how likely they thought there was going to be a serious attempt at enforcement if they thought it was unreasonable, and how serious they were about their own convictions.

Much like deciding whether or not to jaywalk.

“Ludibrium est onus genio”

Since: Dec 11

Planet Earth

#1605 Jan 10, 2013
FKA Reader wrote:
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What I am challenging is the presumption that gun ownership provides any significant protection from crime.

It did to those who have used their weapons for that reason... thousands and thousands of people.

[QUOTE]And particularly considering the risks, do the risks associated with gun ownership outweigh the everyday risks of being a crime victim?
Ask a crime victim.

“Don't trust the internet!”

Since: Jan 12

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#1606 Jan 10, 2013
Seriouslady wrote:
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Apples and oranges. Drunk driving is not protected under the constitution.
Take it up with George. He is the one who wanted to talk about driving.

“Ludibrium est onus genio”

Since: Dec 11

Planet Earth

#1607 Jan 10, 2013
FKA Reader wrote:
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There are several fallacies contained in the research reported in the white paper.

You implied that gun ownership doesn't prevent crime (provide any significant protection from crime is how I believe you put it) and I linked you to a study of many examples of where it did. All I needed was ONE such example to show your error.

[QUOTE]Rather than whole population statistics, it relies on newspaper articles in which various crimes were reported as having been deterred.
Yes, and the way the media reports, there are likely dozens of times as many examples that didn't make the papers (or didn't contain enough detail in the article to make a determination of whether the incident fit into the category they were studying).
The error introduced by this methodology is that it does not account for the role of gun ownership in putting the gun owner into situations of higher risk.
Assuming the owner isn't breaking the law, it's irrelevant. A law abiding person should be allowed to "abide" anywhere at any time he wants. You seem to be suggesting that people should go about their lives cowering in fear. Well, it ain't going to happen, lady.
The Zimmerman case is a recent example. Setting aside the finding by the police that there was no evidence that Trayvon Martin was committing, or about to commit, any crime, it is practically unchallengeable that if Zimmerman had not chased after Trayvon--leading one of them to spark an encounter, there would have been no altercation, and no shooting. The difficult question to answer is whether the gun in Zimmerman's pants tipped the balance in his decision-making and led to the encounter.
Blah blah blah. Keep it in the Zimmerman threads.
I recall someone who posted here telling their own story of proof about being followed home by an automobile, with a couple of guys getting out--apparently bent on some crime. The poster recounted that he pulled his gun and the guys left. However, that raises the question--would he have chosen to go home while being followed had he not been carrying.
Whatever he chose is his right.
Would a police station, gas station, hospital, fast food place or virtually anywhere with lights and people have made more sense (such is a standard recommendation in crime-fighting public service publications).
These things are not encoded into any law I can think of (It's called freedom in case you haven't heard of it, and that includes the freedom to ignore suggestions you don't agree with).
Far more reliable is research that tracks the impact of guns and laws in populations over time. These are not necessarily easy to come by, however, there is a fair amount of agreement that high numbers of guns and lax enforcement of laws or limited laws tend to be associated with higher rates of crime, particularly homicide.
I think you have cause and effect reversed. People arm themselves more as crime increases (or they think it's going to).
Pale Rider

AOL

#1608 Jan 10, 2013
Hugh Victor Thompson III wrote:
<quoted text>Why? Do you hate Jews, little man?
The evidence? Of what? Your goosestepping? From your post #1576:
"If it is true, I hope they take your guns, fishing poles, dope they find in your home, and your computer. Then ban you for life for printing, telling lies about the government."
You sound like a good little Nazi. Just remember what happen to those guys...
Where is your evidence Jew?

“Ludibrium est onus genio”

Since: Dec 11

Planet Earth

#1609 Jan 10, 2013
Seriouslady wrote:
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Agreed that there is a real danger is misinterpreting and it should not be the job of the general public. Smacks of the Zimmerman case, which I try to stay away from.
I was thinking more along the lines that since this guy was said to have had Asperger syndrome, that some would hysterically assume that all Asperger sufferers were homicidal maniacs and call for their imprisonment, even though they personally may have never done anything wrong.
My thought is that we can never prevent another tragic incident like Aurora or Newtown.
Best we can do is learn what we can and to take steps to minimize the chance of it happening again. That's not a guarantee though.
Bad people will find a way to do bad and as a society, we can't stop it. We can do a better job as individuals.
Tony, five Amish children were murdered in a school shooting in 2006, not far from here. There was not any kind of public uproar and it made the news nationwide.
We humans still tend to look at others as "us" or "them", not fully realizing that each of "us" is someone else's "them" and vice versa. The Amish are a lot of people's "them" and are looked at as less important.

“Ludibrium est onus genio”

Since: Dec 11

Planet Earth

#1610 Jan 10, 2013
FKA Reader wrote:
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Except the drunks.
But more and more people are in agreement with some reasonable limitations on personal ownership of guns and other weaponry.
Just as there are people who use alcohol responsibly, so too with firearms. We know how prohibition worked out, don't we?

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Since: Jan 12

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#1611 Jan 10, 2013
TonyD2 wrote:
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Ask a crime victim.
By the same token ask the relatives of a family wiped out by a murder-suicide, or a child killed accidentally by the kid next door or someone who knows a family whose home was invaded by a bullet meant for someone out on the street.

“Ludibrium est onus genio”

Since: Dec 11

Planet Earth

#1612 Jan 10, 2013
Duke for Mayor wrote:
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I disagree. I think that reasonable regulations could reduce the frequency and degree of fatality of attacks such as Newtown and Aurora, just as reasonable regulations have reduced deaths caused by drunk drivers.
I am able to purchase and use whatever quantities of whatever type of alcohol products that I want so long as I do not do that which is prohibited while under its influence. Similarly I should be able to purchase and use any type and as many of any type of weapons as I want so long as I do not operate them for an illegal purpose.

“Don't trust the internet!”

Since: Jan 12

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#1613 Jan 10, 2013
TonyD2 wrote:
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Just as there are people who use alcohol responsibly, so too with firearms. We know how prohibition worked out, don't we?
But DUI laws are not prohibition. It is possible to regulate some aspects of a behavior without a complete ban on it, is it not?
Anonymous

Akron, OH

#1614 Jan 10, 2013
Louiston wrote:
<quoted text>More fodder from the mental eunuch.
I dont reply to inferior "untermenchen" mental midgets such as the likes of you. Your words reflect your lack of education and judgement. PCF
Pale Rider

AOL

#1615 Jan 10, 2013
Hugh Victor Thompson III said the government is going to take our guns.

I asked him to produce the evidence.

This candy ass Jew in on here only to argue. He may have a room full of ammo, and 15 AR-15 assault rifles and basement full of AK 47's.

Jew why do you need with one assault rifle. Do you plan on killing a bunch of people at a Democrat Rally, against Gun Violence. What do you need with them Jew? Without going off into left field, changing the subject like Sean Hannity. Why JEW, do you need with an assault rifle? Do you have the huge clip that will hold 100 rounds? I suspect you do and you do a lot of target practice. You need 100 rounds to hit a target 25 feet away, if you are lucky one time in 100, if at all. Your eyesight is so damn bad you can't see a target at 50 feet. Why don't you sell your guns old man, give the money to someone in need? You are too damn old, and too dangerous. Leave the guns to someone that isn't all but blind Jew, before you kill someone. Take some good advise Jew. It is time you take your guns to town, while you can get the high dollar.
Anonymous

Akron, OH

#1616 Jan 10, 2013
The bottom line is that there are too many deranged paranoid idiots with semi-automatic weapons in this country. As far as hunting and self protection that is one thing. However there are paranoid idiots like Zimmerman who killed a kid after zimmerman started a confrontation with travon martin. The idiot survivalist mother of the guy that killed all of these kindergarden kids in Conneticut took her son who was deranged in the first place to shooting ranges and kept guns within his reach. The sick jerks that killed the people at the theater and killed many and wounded the congresswoman in Arizona should be publicly executed for their crimes with their execution televised. A personal experience I had a while ago was when I went on a saturday afternoon to a junk yard looking at cars in an open lot across the street where a jackass who worked there but did not even own the yard threatened to shoot me for looking at a junked car in an open lot. It could have developed into a Trevon Martin situation but I was white and did not wear a "hoodie". This experience really angered me and I thank God I did not have a weapon with me. Only my belief in God and an afterlife would have prevented me from shooting that club footed fat POS had I had a weapon handy. The gun laws in this country are ridiculous. However if there is a ban on certain types of weapons all it will do it will create a huge underground black market. Wayne Lapierre is nothing more than the prostitutes of gun manufacturers and sickens me. I dont know about any of you wether you are on the left or right it does not matter when you are dead all this is irrellevant. I hate to see this country turn into a live version of a Clint Eastwood "Spaghetty Western" where disputes are settled with someone dying. If this is the case, this country really has turned into a third world rathole. I'll probably get the old "love it or leave it "line of crap. I really dont care one way or the other . If staying alive means getting away from paranoid gun nuts or mental cases with access to automatic weapons so be it. After all "love of country" and "patriotism" all boils down to where one came out of one's mother womb and where in the world they landed. The rest is a bunch of crap spouted by manipulative politicians who never served in the military but do not mind sending others and others children to fight in some god forsaken hole half way around the world. I served in Nam and this experience certainly opened my eyes never to trust any politician or their shangai made American flag waving sheeple wearing their stupid colonial costumes and worshiping at the alter of Foxaganda and Rush Limpbrain and that other idiot Glenn Beck.
Wait what

Dublin, OH

#1617 Jan 11, 2013
FKA Reader wrote:
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By the same token ask the relatives of a family wiped out by a murder-suicide, or a child killed accidentally by the kid next door or someone who knows a family whose home was invaded by a bullet meant for someone out on the street.
I had 2 young family members killed in separate car accidents. Do you drive a car, Reader?

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