Gun Control Under Obama
bettyboed

Pittsburgh, PA

#8317 Mar 30, 2014

I bough another Gun im the Control
Neutral Party

Prospect, KY

#8318 Mar 30, 2014
tranpsosition wrote:
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Both the UK and Hung have higher rates of drug dependency than the US (as rated by the UN whitepaper on drug statistics and trends) with Hungary almost double and the UK 1.5 times again what Hungary is at.
While I'm less sure about Hungary, the UK is predicting 1/2 of births to be out of wedlock by 2016, handily lapping the US's predicted rate of 42% for 2016 (it's currently at 40%).
And the welfare situation? The UK (again, I'm not up to snuff on what's happening here in Hungary outside of the low murder rate and great langos) has a stellar welfare state, one that really puts America to shame. Where do you think the phrase "European style socialism" comes from?
Did you know that 100% of gun crimes in the US are gun related?
It's not a simple case of getting rid of guns and everything becomes safer, it's a much more complicated mix of social justice and equality, social factors, the justice systems and the cultures. But pretending that safety comes only to an armed populace seem to be determinedly ignoring the fact that correlation between homicide rates and gun ownership tend to show an inverse relationship, rather than statistics that would lead reasonable people to think guns = safety.
This has nothing to do with gun crimes. The libs want to control the law abiding citizen by taking away their access to guns. 100% of gun crimes care committed by criminals.

As for drug abuse I doubt your white paper statement. Everything I have heard and read showed the US with a bigger problem than most other countries.

As for your socialist approach to our problems, I prefer to keep your European government style in Europe. After all, eventually you request the USA bail you out of the problems your govts created.

“Meh.”

Since: Aug 10

Location hidden

#8319 Mar 30, 2014
Neutral Party wrote:
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This has nothing to do with gun crimes. The libs want to control the law abiding citizen by taking away their access to guns. 100% of gun crimes care committed by criminals.
As for drug abuse I doubt your white paper statement. Everything I have heard and read showed the US with a bigger problem than most other countries.
As for your socialist approach to our problems, I prefer to keep your European government style in Europe. After all, eventually you request the USA bail you out of the problems your govts created.
You were the one who brought these factors up.

Do some quick research on drug use in different countries. Having actual facts instead of vague ideas is often helpful.

I'm American, living over here. And just trying to helpfully steer you towards more robust arguments. Pretending guns = safety only works if you're willing to discount all of the data. Or if you're arguing with someone who has no data, I suppose!
Neutral Party

Prospect, KY

#8320 Mar 30, 2014
Just to refer to the stats you stated, the UN reported that 5.9% of US citizens use drugs (opiates, opioids) compared to UK (.81%) and Hungary (.10%). Cocaine (USA 2.4%, UK 2.5%, Hungary (.2%). This study did not have heroin stats.

Looks like the data you reference doesn't support your statement.

Although I enjoy discussing options to deal with the drug and gun crime problem, I doubt your situation is comparable to what is occurring in the USA.

http://www.unodc.org/documents/data-and-analy...
Neutral Party

Prospect, KY

#8321 Apr 2, 2014
Expect Wide Rider to demand that soldiers not be allowed to have guns after what happened at Ft Hood.
Dublin R

Columbus, OH

#8322 Apr 2, 2014
Let's start with dis-arming the Secret Service. Give that a whirl.
Reality Speaks

Columbus, OH

#8323 Apr 3, 2014
tranpsosition wrote:
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Weirdly, not having guns as readily accessible seems to have done a great job out here (in Hungary, at just this moment) and back in the UK. Even with all the godless socialists, it's shockingly safe.
how did that work out 70 years ago when you sissies had to be rescued from thug punks?

you must have re-defined delusional as safe.
Buckeye at birth

Elkhart, IN

#8324 Apr 3, 2014
Gun registration under this radicle Leftist in the WH,who has already signed on with John Kerry, our guns with the United Nation agenda .But they didn't get the votes in the Senate,they have to lie first to get both houses during the mid-term,then the President will come after those damn guns.Amo certain types is getting harder to get!!,hmmmmmmm,conspiracy?,may be!,like all the shootings that have happen during this nightmare called the Obama Presidencey,the left creates situations to further their agenda,..And a note to you gun haters,if the Ukraine people had guns, and a way of defending themselves,Russia wouldn't be purched on their border ready to grab it back into the old Russian empire...Guns have kept us free for some two hundred years,the left would like that to seriously change.......It's all part of the Obama's transformation of America,from FREEDOM,to Tyranny!!.....Lose your second amendment right to bare, and have guns,lose your Country!!.......Works everytime it happens throughout the WORLD.......A GUN WILL STOP A THUG,IT WILL STOP A LEFTIST AMBITION AS WELL!!.......
Buckeye at birth

Elkhart, IN

#8325 Apr 3, 2014
Catman Dave wrote:
<quoted text> There is no way in the world that responsible gun owners will let that fool take their guns. It just wont happen. All of their lies will catch up with them and then they will all be finished.
Have you asked a citizen of a communist or leftist country lateley if thats true?..Never say never!,with enough propaganda,anything is possible,sixty million women have aborted their babies in the name of it's my body!So don't ever think that gun confiscation could never happen,Obama and the Democrats are already deminishing our military.,......We are weak unto our enemies,they don't fear us anymore.......So what is going to save us hear at HOME?...Obama has just about holsted the white flag of surrender.........The worst is yet to come!!...Obama still has three years to finish us!!.....

“Meh.”

Since: Aug 10

Location hidden

#8326 Apr 3, 2014
Buckeye at birth wrote:
<quoted text> Have you asked a citizen of a communist or leftist country lateley if thats true?..Never say never!,with enough propaganda,anything is possible,sixty million women have aborted their babies in the name of it's my body!So don't ever think that gun confiscation could never happen,Obama and the Democrats are already deminishing our military.,......We are weak unto our enemies,they don't fear us anymore.......So what is going to save us hear at HOME?...Obama has just about holsted the white flag of surrender.........The worst is yet to come!!...Obama still has three years to finish us!!.....
Hi, leftist country dweller. Did you have a question? It wasn't entirely clear, given your difficulty with the language.
Reality Speaks

Columbus, OH

#8327 Apr 3, 2014
tranpsosition wrote:
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Hi, leftist country dweller. Did you have a question? It wasn't entirely clear, given your difficulty with the language.
do you weigh 400 or 450 pounds?

can you scrape green slime off your teeth with a shovel?

do you use a gas pump for douche?

do you need a crane to help you stand up?
They cannot kill a Spook

Taylor, MI

#8328 Apr 3, 2014
tranpsosition wrote:
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Hi, leftist country dweller. Did you have a question? It wasn't entirely clear, given your difficulty with the language.
More bullshit in text from soneone that claims mastery of the Queens English yet cannot master the toothbrush.
Buckeye at birth

Elkhart, IN

#8329 Apr 4, 2014
I meant to say look at any country taken over like Cuba,Venezuela,N.Korea,China,I ran,if the citizens were armed maybe these country's wouldn't be in the situation that they are in.And it could happen here in the US!!...This President is getting away with alot of crap other Presidents would have never gotten away with,in my lifetime.He is getting away like acting like a Dictator.But he has a willing press,a Senate who is in lock step with every unconstitutional trick he pulls off..And that is very distrubing,and very Dangerous to our FREEDOM AND SURVIVAL..........Left unchecked,it could lead us into an erea that we have never been, lose of all our LIBERTIES...And Tyranny will surely follow..........So don't get so upset with grammer,worry where your Country is headed, with this Leftist in the WH.......

“Meh.”

Since: Aug 10

Location hidden

#8330 Apr 4, 2014
Buckeye at birth wrote:
I meant to say look at any country taken over like Cuba,Venezuela,N.Korea,China,I ran,if the citizens were armed maybe these country's wouldn't be in the situation that they are in.And it could happen here in the US!!...This President is getting away with alot of crap other Presidents would have never gotten away with,in my lifetime.He is getting away like acting like a Dictator.But he has a willing press,a Senate who is in lock step with every unconstitutional trick he pulls off..And that is very distrubing,and very Dangerous to our FREEDOM AND SURVIVAL..........Left unchecked,it could lead us into an erea that we have never been, lose of all our LIBERTIES...And Tyranny will surely follow..........So don't get so upset with grammer,worry where your Country is headed, with this Leftist in the WH.......
I'm not worried about grammar, so much as the air of intellect a grade school command of the language that grammar might reflect.
They cannot kill a Spook

Toledo, OH

#8331 Apr 4, 2014
tranpsosition wrote:
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I'm not worried about grammar, so much as the air of intellect a grade school command of the language that grammar might reflect.
Yet you don't have the grade school mastery of a toothbrush or feminine hygiene.
Pale Rider

Liberty, KY

#8332 Apr 4, 2014
Attention ***** ATTENTION PLEASE ***** It may soon be over.

Now hear this all gun owners. Judge rules in Obama favor. Enjoy your military style guns while you can.
SFF

Hamilton, OH

#8333 Apr 4, 2014
Come and get mine. Dumb ass that's why we got them.
Pale Rider

Liberty, KY

#8334 Apr 5, 2014
SFF wrote:
Come and get mine. Dumb ass that's why we got them.
If the Government or local law enforcement decided that you were a threat with a gun, of which you are not but cheap talk. They could take them anytime they wanted too. Why do dumb ass people like you, talk the BS? All talk nothing more. I know enough men, mean men, that could take sling shots and remove every gun you own, with all being used is paper wads. Men from Kentucky, Tennessee, West Virginia, I know you have heard they are tougher than the Buckeyes.

Obama has a lot of time left before he goes. So much has taken place for the good of America under Obama leadership. The Republicans can only bring up something they hope will stick. They have wore out their BS, the people want people that work for good, not negative after negative BS.

One thing America doesn't need is guns that can fire multiple rounds per minute. Only the Military should have these weapons. Those were only made for killing people. If you want to see what a miltary style rifle will do, join the Army, go over to Afghanistan.

Could the next mass killing cause the people to ask for Obama to bring about a law to deal with it? I can't believe all of thegood the man has signed into law. Great job Obama. There is not enough room to name the good the man has done. Great leadership from the Democrats. Nothing from the other side of the aisle, nothing at all, nothing.

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#8335 Apr 5, 2014
Pale Rider wrote:
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If the Government or local law enforcement decided that you were a threat with a gun, of which you are not but cheap talk. They could take them anytime they wanted too. Why do dumb ass people like you, talk the BS? All talk nothing more. I know enough men, mean men, that could take sling shots and remove every gun you own, with all being used is paper wads. Men from Kentucky, Tennessee, West Virginia, I know you have heard they are tougher than the Buckeyes.
Obama has a lot of time left before he goes. So much has taken place for the good of America under Obama leadership. The Republicans can only bring up something they hope will stick. They have wore out their BS, the people want people that work for good, not negative after negative BS.
One thing America doesn't need is guns that can fire multiple rounds per minute. Only the Military should have these weapons. Those were only made for killing people. If you want to see what a miltary style rifle will do, join the Army, go over to Afghanistan.
Could the next mass killing cause the people to ask for Obama to bring about a law to deal with it? I can't believe all of thegood the man has signed into law. Great job Obama. There is not enough room to name the good the man has done. Great leadership from the Democrats. Nothing from the other side of the aisle, nothing at all, nothing.
Problem that Obama and the Liberal Democrats have is the US Constitution and the 2nd Amendment which stands in their way and the SCOTUS reaffirmed and made very clear in 2010 in the SCOTUS case of Mcdonald vs Chicago that the right of an individual to "keep and bear arms" is protected by the Second Amendment and is incorporated by the Due Process Clause of the 14th Amendment and it applies to the states which the Liberal Democarts have problems with to this day and cant get over it.

McDonald v. Chicago

McDonald v. Chicago, 561 U.S. 3025 (2010), is a landmark decision of the Supreme Court of the United States that determined whether the Second Amendment applies to the individual states. The Court held that the right of an individual to "keep and bear arms" protected by the Second Amendment is incorporated by the Due Process Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment and applies to the states. The decision cleared up the uncertainty left in the wake of District of Columbia v. Heller as to the scope of gun rights in regard to the states.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McDonald_v._Chic...
Pale Rider

Liberty, KY

#8336 Apr 5, 2014
Anonymous of Indy wrote:
<quoted text>Problem that Obama and the Liberal Democrats have is the US Constitution and the 2nd Amendment which stands in their way and the SCOTUS reaffirmed and made very clear in 2010 in the SCOTUS case of Mcdonald vs Chicago that the right of an individual to "keep and bear arms" is protected by the Second Amendment and is incorporated by the Due Process Clause of the 14th Amendment and it applies to the states which the Liberal Democarts have problems with to this day and cant get over it.
McDonald v. Chicago
McDonald v. Chicago, 561 U.S. 3025 (2010), is a landmark decision of the Supreme Court of the United States that determined whether the Second Amendment applies to the individual states. The Court held that the right of an individual to "keep and bear arms" protected by the Second Amendment is incorporated by the Due Process Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment and applies to the states. The decision cleared up the uncertainty left in the wake of District of Columbia v. Heller as to the scope of gun rights in regard to the states.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McDonald_v._Chic...
Anonymous you are real good at quoting law that is correct, but that doesn't always make it right with the people.

The law that was written by the founders, was written many years ago, it is outdated as a new Nissan compared to a Ford Model T. It needs to be revised, just like the King James Bible, ushered in NIT, NIV Bibles etc. Not everyone agrees, but who talks the language dating back to 1611, or 1769? The right to bear arms needs to be kept intact, but the Founding Fathers didn't have in mind for us to own tanks, or weapons that are designed as killing machines. That law is as outdated as the pocket watch.

Travon Martin was killed by someone that murdered, against the Law given to Moses, but mankind has bent that law to protect those that kill. I think your killer knew what he had planned in his mind what he was going to do. Why does a neighhood watch person need to carry a gun? You observe, report what you see, let the law handle it. Or in the case of a man bent on taking the law into their own hands because he is carring a gun, looking to provoke an innocent person, and kill him with your law of Stand Your Ground. The ones that hired him, paid Trayvon parents big bucks because they knew, the neighbood watchman, had murdered. I doubt if they required the watchman to carry a weapon. All one has to do is use some crafty lying lawyers, use your law, and a person can home like using a "Get Out Of Jail," for Free. It is the law in Florida, but millions did not agree. People like you don't agree, but your kind would rarely agree with a Democrat. No use to argue with your kind, you will find a way to look right. But your kind lost the election to a half Black, not once but twice, even though you believed you would win.

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