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Hey, Doc. I was talking with my 'hunter' cousin on Christmas night and he freely says there is no reason he needs an assault rifle. BUT he knows with the government it's the assualt rifle today and another freedom they take tomorrow.
Now he was fairly furious about the 'open air' gun shows they have here where you can buy from private citizens with no background check.
No worries, Biden's in charge and we all know he'll get it backwards and upside down. The NRA members, and new members will be a powerful voting blaock and they include a lot of dems.
I talked with an OB in Georgia two nights ago. He's up in arms over Obamacare the regulations and 30% cut in what the government insurance will reimburse doctors. Dr. Bailey is probably 65 or so. Kids all grown and enjoying his grandchildren. He'll just walk away.
Hope your holidays were good. You know, my favorite doc quit his practice about 7 years ago and went to work at the VA. Ruined my life.:-) At the sme time, my 'bone boy' left his practice for his true love...sports med at a university. Bummer year for me.
Interesting, because Medicaid rates are set to go up this year under Obamacare.

Of course part of what gets tossed over the fiscal cliff is the physician fix.

So, I don't know where your info is coming from.
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Seriouslady wrote:
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Rider, you're in over your head here. Look at that statement you made above. Obviously we value those rights as set forth in the 2nd amendment or this thread would be dead.
It's not love of an inantimate object, i.e., a gun, it's the government taking away more and more rights.
And it would not prevent one crime.
What rights did you lose?

How much money did you lose under Bush?
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And if I had my way all of you anti gun folks would be forced to sign a paper relinquishing your 2nd amendment rights since you don't value them.
As a kid, I would sign that paper. I don't need the 2nd amendment. What we need is a ban on Republicans and Rifles, that no one needs.

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What rights did you lose?
How much money did you lose under Bush?
Question: How many months under Obama has median household income fallen?

Answer: All of them.

Question: How many fewer Americans are working full time jobs under Obama?

Answer: 400,000 (but 8 million more are working part time)

Question: How many people who were working at least 120 hours a month are going to be working less than 120 hours a month after January 1 because of Obamacare?

Answer: Lots
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Interesting, because Medicaid rates are set to go up this year under Obamacare.
Of course part of what gets tossed over the fiscal cliff is the physician fix.
So, I don't know where your info is coming from.
This doesn’t happen every day for Medicaid. As the Kaiser analysts note,“The estimated 73% average increase in fees in 2013 far exceeds any Medicaid fee increases that have been observed historically.”

The pay hike is, however, temporary: The Affordable Care Act only provided funding through 2014. If the new pay rates do indeed attract more doctors to the program, the Kaiser analysts predict that “interest in extending the higher Medicaid rates beyond 2014 is likely to be.”

That could create a situation akin to the much-maligned doc-fix, where Congress passes short-term funding patches to keep doctor salaries stable. Primary-care groups are already talking about lobbying for that additional funding. Which could mean, two years from now, Medicaid doctors could find themselves in a less desirable situation, staring down a 73 percent pay cut rather than a raise.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/...
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That'll take care of the law abiding citizens, what about the criminals?
Criminals are criminals, you know what the Bible says about evil. It has been here from the time Cain killed Able. Remember the stupid talk of George W. Bush, that fool thought we could stamp out terror (evil). I thought you were supposed to be smart Tony?

What good does it do a good man to own an AR-15 or an AK-47? If you were in the Middle East maybe you could use such a weapon. Do you own such weapons? What need do you have for them. A 223 might be great for varmints, but never a need for an assault type. What would you use an AK-47 for. It seems to me, people are arming themselves for a civil war. Are we becoming as uncivilized as terrorists.
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Seriouslady wrote:
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Rider, you're in over your head here. Look at that statement you made above. Obviously we value those rights as set forth in the 2nd amendment or this thread would be dead.
It's not love of an inantimate object, i.e., a gun, it's the government taking away more and more rights.
And it would not prevent one crime.
You know something, tell me where I said anything about your rights concerning the 2nd amendment? What right or rights have you lost? This is nothing but Republican propaganda, that people like you are spreading. They are lies. If you knew what you were talking about, I would agree with you.

So many on here remind me of old hard headed John Boehner, that wants to save the rich a few dollars in taxes. Do you have any idea how much some of them make a second? Like the rich man, that was backing the loser, that ran for President. So many are mad, because he lost, they are hoping Obama fails. What happened to Romney, did he leave America? Is he in China?

As far as preventing a crime, I suspect, you know just about as much about crime as the Republicans do in running government. Why do you think Obama won? It wasn't because the people wanted to go backwards under Mitt Romney, or have another like the last Republican that was in the White House.
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VADoc wrote:
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Gregory not only broke the law, but did it on purpose and did it against legal advice. He showed flagrant disregard for the law. He should be prosecuted for it. If a famous conservative talk person would have done the same thing you'd be frothing at the mouth demanding prosecution. I don't watch fox. I don't have cable. I prefer to take the 70 bucks a month and put it in my savings.
And after reading several stories about this, I'd have to say he has at least two very valid defenses that would exonerate him if he ever is charged.

Much ado about nothing.

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Seriouslady wrote:
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Hey, Doc. I was talking with my 'hunter' cousin on Christmas night and he freely says there is no reason he needs an assault rifle. BUT he knows with the government it's the assualt rifle today and another freedom they take tomorrow.
Now he was fairly furious about the 'open air' gun shows they have here where you can buy from private citizens with no background check.
No worries, Biden's in charge and we all know he'll get it backwards and upside down. The NRA members, and new members will be a powerful voting blaock and they include a lot of dems.
I talked with an OB in Georgia two nights ago. He's up in arms over Obamacare the regulations and 30% cut in what the government insurance will reimburse doctors. Dr. Bailey is probably 65 or so. Kids all grown and enjoying his grandchildren. He'll just walk away.
Hope your holidays were good. You know, my favorite doc quit his practice about 7 years ago and went to work at the VA. Ruined my life.:-) At the sme time, my 'bone boy' left his practice for his true love...sports med at a university. Bummer year for me.
At 65 he should by now be retired and enjoying the remainder of time on earth! More practices will open with younger doctors. That's the cycle of life you know, the old sit down and make room for the young.
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Seriouslady wrote:
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Rider, you're in over your head here. Look at that statement you made above. Obviously we value those rights as set forth in the 2nd amendment or this thread would be dead.
It's not love of an inantimate object, i.e., a gun, it's the government taking away more and more rights.
And it would not prevent one crime.
How would limiting the amount of rounds in an AR-15 magazine take away your gun rights or limit ones accuracy when shooting? If someone can't hit a target with a 15 round clip instead of 30 rounder, they shouldn't have the gun in the first place! A 10 round Glock gives four more rounds than a six gun! What's the hay?
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TonyD2 wrote:
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Question: How many months under Obama has median household income fallen?
Answer: All of them.
Question: How many fewer Americans are working full time jobs under Obama?
Answer: 400,000 (but 8 million more are working part time)
Question: How many people who were working at least 120 hours a month are going to be working less than 120 hours a month after January 1 because of Obamacare?
Answer: Lots
You're dodging! What rights did you lose under Obama???? And didn't the 08' crash happen due to eight years of Bush policies? Everyone knows, I hope, that government policies takes time to affect the economy and that's why things started falling apart after Bush left!

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WiseAmerican wrote:
<quoted text> Everyone knows, I hope, that government policies takes time to affect the economy and that's why things started falling apart after Bush left!
Thank you for admitting that Clinton owes his record to Reagan and GHW Bush.
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Seriouslady wrote:
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Hey, Doc. I was talking with my 'hunter' cousin on Christmas night and he freely says there is no reason he needs an assault rifle. BUT he knows with the government it's the assualt rifle today and another freedom they take tomorrow.
Now he was fairly furious about the 'open air' gun shows they have here where you can buy from private citizens with no background check.
No worries, Biden's in charge and we all know he'll get it backwards and upside down. The NRA members, and new members will be a powerful voting blaock and they include a lot of dems.
I talked with an OB in Georgia two nights ago. He's up in arms over Obamacare the regulations and 30% cut in what the government insurance will reimburse doctors. Dr. Bailey is probably 65 or so. Kids all grown and enjoying his grandchildren. He'll just walk away.
Hope your holidays were good. You know, my favorite doc quit his practice about 7 years ago and went to work at the VA. Ruined my life.:-) At the sme time, my 'bone boy' left his practice for his true love...sports med at a university. Bummer year for me.
Ah I'd agree no one needs an assault rifle unless society breaks down. I own a few but I use them for competitions and enjoyment. If the government bans assault weapons or high cap mags then any other rifle is next. Then any pistol mag that holds more than 10 rounds. It is just a step in the wrong direction and we all know it.

I'm glad I am out of the private sector. Obamacare is a big reason I left the private sector. Between the cut in reimbursement and the growing entitlement attitude I just got tired of going to work.

I'm much happier now at the VA.
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Karl Monday wrote:
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He's rich and connected, that's why nothing will happen. The way that statute is written says that mere possession is a crime, that leads to a $1000 fine, and supposedly a prison term, though I read that the prison terms were repealed a few months ago. In all likelihood, the fine is what will happen if anything does, I don't think that the MPD will let this go away, Gilbert Arenas didn't get away with it.
Define "possession" in a criminal context.

And take a look into what it means to rely upon a statement from a police official acting in his representative capacity.

Mr. Gregory likely won't be charged, and if he is, its going nowhere.

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Karl Monday wrote:
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Because limiting the amount of pages in a print magazine, would be just as unconstitutional.
That's incorrect.

The limitation upon the printed word would never withstand a test of constitutionality.

The limitation on the mag, likely would.

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Duke for Mayor wrote:
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Define "possession" in a criminal context.

woof
Mark Steyn nails it:

Why? Because, as CNN’s Howard Kurtz breezily put it, everybody knows David Gregory wasn’t “planning to commit any crimes.”

So what? Neither are the overwhelming majority of his fellow high-capacity-magazine-owning Americans. Yet they’re expected to know, as they drive around visiting friends and family over Christmas, the various and contradictory gun laws in different jurisdictions. Ignorantia juris non excusat is one of the oldest concepts in civilized society: Ignorance of the law is no excuse. Back when there was a modest and proportionate number of laws, that was just about doable. But in today’s America there are laws against everything, and any one of us at any time is unknowingly in breach of dozens of them.

David Gregory intended to demonstrate what he regards as the absurdity of America’s lax gun laws. Instead, he’s demonstrating the ever greater absurdity of America’s non-lax laws. His investigation, prosecution, and a sentence of 20–30 years with eligibility for parole after ten (assuming Mothers Against High-Capacity Magazines don’t object) would teach a far more useful lesson than whatever he thought he was doing by waving that clip under LaPierre’s nose.
http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/336573...
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Dec 29, 2012
 
Hugh Victor Thompson III wrote:
<quoted text>Mark Steyn nails it:
Why? Because, as CNN’s Howard Kurtz breezily put it, everybody knows David Gregory wasn’t “planning to commit any crimes.”
So what? Neither are the overwhelming majority of his fellow high-capacity-magazine-owning Americans. Yet they’re expected to know, as they drive around visiting friends and family over Christmas, the various and contradictory gun laws in different jurisdictions. Ignorantia juris non excusat is one of the oldest concepts in civilized society: Ignorance of the law is no excuse. Back when there was a modest and proportionate number of laws, that was just about doable. But in today’s America there are laws against everything, and any one of us at any time is unknowingly in breach of dozens of them.
David Gregory intended to demonstrate what he regards as the absurdity of America’s lax gun laws. Instead, he’s demonstrating the ever greater absurdity of America’s non-lax laws. His investigation, prosecution, and a sentence of 20–30 years with eligibility for parole after ten (assuming Mothers Against High-Capacity Magazines don’t object) would teach a far more useful lesson than whatever he thought he was doing by waving that clip under LaPierre’s nose.
http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/336573...
You cannot think beyond your own nose, can you?

Do you really believe that Mr. Gregory, highly paid, extremely bright and articulate, after network aides place telephone calls to the ATF (who in turn called the DC police and returned a call to NBC with advice in response to the original inquiry), purchased the mag on the streets of DC himself, walked into the studio with that magazine in his pocket, and placed it on the table?

Do you really think that picking up the mag, holding it for five seconds to display it to the camera for purposes of a tv interview with the President of the NRA, and then setting it back down on the table would be sufficient to constitute the element of personal "possession" necessary to bring a conviction in either a criminal jury, or bench trial?

You really aren't very bright are you?

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Duke for Mayor wrote:
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You cannot think beyond your own nose, can you?
Do you really believe that Mr. Gregory, highly paid, extremely bright and articulate, after network aides place telephone calls to the ATF (who in turn called the DC police and returned a call to NBC with advice in response to the original inquiry), purchased the mag on the streets of DC himself, walked into the studio with that magazine in his pocket, and placed it on the table?
Do you really think that picking up the mag, holding it for five seconds to display it to the camera for purposes of a tv interview with the President of the NRA, and then setting it back down on the table would be sufficient to constitute the element of personal "possession" necessary to bring a conviction in either a criminal jury, or bench trial?
You really aren't very bright are you?
woof
Talk about not very bright...What part of these points escape you?:
---Possession
---Ignorance of the law is no excuse
---The DC police said "don't do it."
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ATTENTION ALL DEMOCRATS!READ This!

Enjoy, and read what the Tea Party Members, Republicans will whine about.

I recognize that the individual right to bear arms. It is an important part of the American tradition, and I want to preserve Americans' Second Amendment right to own and use firearms.

However I believe that the right to own firearms is subject to reasonable regulation. I understand the terrible consequences of gun violence; it serves as a reminder that life is fragile, and our time here is limited and precious. I believe in an honest, open conversation about firearms.

I believe we should ban clips that hold more than 10 cartridges. I believe we should have a Federal Law, against ownership of any type assault rifle, for target practice, for game hunting, varmint hunting, for any purpose whatsoever. I believe we need a law, where the local sheriff, if he has probable cause, can go in and search for, but not limited to assault weapons. By that if the law suspects drugs, drug paraphernalia, or a known Tea Party Member, or Republican. Let the law do a complete search of said property. Look for Child Pornography, confiscate computers, anything the law deems necessary for prosecution in a court of law. Illegal dynamite, caps, fuse, pipe bombs.

In other words, if they think their rights are being violated, and that is all they can blabber about. Give them something to really bitch about. Have no mercy on those whiny Republicans. My fellow Democrats will love this, watch the Republican's will howl, and scream about the Constitution, and the 2nd Amendment. 15/16 couldn’t tell you 1/1000 of the Constitution, and yet that is all they can talk about. Don’t they make you sick of listening to that chatter? I am so glad that old Mitt Romney got walloped. Old war monger George W. Bush, cost Mitt millions of votes, now in 2016, we can use Bush again, as the last Republican in the White House.

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ATTENTION ALL DEMOCRATS!READ This!
Enjoy, and read what the Tea Party Members, Republicans will whine about.
I recognize that the individual right to bear arms. It is an important part of the American tradition, and I want to preserve Americans' Second Amendment right to own and use firearms.
However I believe that the right to own firearms is subject to reasonable regulation. I understand the terrible consequences of gun violence; it serves as a reminder that life is fragile, and our time here is limited and precious. I believe in an honest, open conversation about firearms.
I believe we should ban clips that hold more than 10 cartridges. I believe we should have a Federal Law, against ownership of any type assault rifle, for target practice, for game hunting, varmint hunting, for any purpose whatsoever. I believe we need a law, where the local sheriff, if he has probable cause, can go in and search for, but not limited to assault weapons. By that if the law suspects drugs, drug paraphernalia, or a known Tea Party Member, or Republican. Let the law do a complete search of said property. Look for Child Pornography, confiscate computers, anything the law deems necessary for prosecution in a court of law. Illegal dynamite, caps, fuse, pipe bombs.
In other words, if they think their rights are being violated, and that is all they can blabber about. Give them something to really bitch about. Have no mercy on those whiny Republicans. My fellow Democrats will love this, watch the Republican's will howl, and scream about the Constitution, and the 2nd Amendment. 15/16 couldn’t tell you 1/1000 of the Constitution, and yet that is all they can talk about. Don’t they make you sick of listening to that chatter? I am so glad that old Mitt Romney got walloped. Old war monger George W. Bush, cost Mitt millions of votes, now in 2016, we can use Bush again, as the last Republican in the White House.
Think Harry Reid agrees with you?

"“I am so pleased that Wayne LaPierre is with us today. We have stood together in so many battles over the years.

“Just a few years ago we worked to protect our gun manufacturers from junk lawsuits. And as a result of that legislation, America’s gun companies are still America’s gun companies. That good law protected thousands of good jobs.

“Wayne and I also stood together to defeat the so-called Assault Weapons Ban. I voted against the ban when it was first proposed, I voted against it when folks tried to renew it, and I will continue to oppose it.
http://www.reid.senate.gov/newsroom/pr_100327...

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