Gun Control Under Obama
Adif understanding

United States

#4304 Feb 10, 2013
Pale Rider wrote:
Gun Owners Trust the NRA but Agree with Obama
A new poll released today shows that 52% of Americans support stricter gun control laws, an expected outcome after the Sandy Hook Elementary shooting sparked a nationwide discussion on gun safety. As for the particulars, 56% support a nationwide ban on the sale of assault weapons, 56% support a nationwide ban on the sale of high-capacity ammunition magazines that hold more than 10 bullets, and 92% support requiring background checks for all gun buyers. All of this bodes well for the Obama Administration.
Yes, all this bodes well for the Obama administration because with all those guns in law abiding citizen's hands, it makes it extremely dificult to impose laws that a majority of Americans will not like. If Obama had a democrat controlled house and senate for the entire time he was president, he would also have a civil war on his hands.

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Since: Jan 13

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#4305 Feb 10, 2013
Pale Rider wrote:
Gun Owners Trust the NRA but Agree with Obama
A new poll released today shows that 52% of Americans support stricter gun control laws, an expected outcome after the Sandy Hook Elementary shooting sparked a nationwide discussion on gun safety. As for the particulars, 56% support a nationwide ban on the sale of assault weapons, 56% support a nationwide ban on the sale of high-capacity ammunition magazines that hold more than 10 bullets, and 92% support requiring background checks for all gun buyers. All of this bodes well for the Obama Administration.
Those numbers have been consistent for decades, but they still don't win.

The motivation by our side is greater.

Since: Oct 10

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#4306 Feb 10, 2013
Pale Rider wrote:
Are the people ready to register their guns? By registration, we will know who, and the kind of guns people own.
Nope.
Pale Rider

AOL

#4307 Feb 10, 2013
Hugh Victor Thompson III wrote:
<quoted text>Where's your source link, hilljack?
Look it up KNOW-It-ALL.

Hugh Victor Thompson III

“Larchmont's Leading Citizen”

Since: Dec 12

Hilliard, OH

#4308 Feb 10, 2013
Pale Rider wrote:
<quoted text>
Look it up KNOW-It-ALL.
So you have no way to back up your post. That figures. When you get to grade 6, they'll teach you about attribution and plagiarism.
Che Reagan Christ

Medina, OH

#4309 Feb 10, 2013
Hugh Victor Thompson III wrote:
<quoted text>So you have no way to back up your post. That figures. When you get to grade 6, they'll teach you about attribution and plagiarism.
What a hoot coming from "Mr. 9000 gun laws and if you don't believe me go look it up yourself."
Pale Rider

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#4310 Feb 10, 2013
After Obama finds out the kind of guns people own. Next Biden can go after the guns, people don't need.

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#4311 Feb 10, 2013
Pale Rider wrote:
After Obama finds out the kind of guns people own. Next Biden can go after the guns, people don't need.
I'm guessing they'll get the ammo first. ;0
Adif understanding

United States

#4312 Feb 10, 2013
Che Reagan Christ wrote:
<quoted text>
What a hoot coming from "Mr. 9000 gun laws and if you don't believe me go look it up yourself."
5000, 9000, does it really make a difference to the point that 20 more not being enforced or selectively being enforced will not change one thing?

Oh, and BTW, I have a 3d printer and just downloaded the plans for my 30 round clips.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/andygreenberg/201...

Hugh Victor Thompson III

“Larchmont's Leading Citizen”

Since: Dec 12

Hilliard, OH

#4313 Feb 10, 2013
Che Reagan Christ wrote:
<quoted text>
What a hoot coming from "Mr. 9000 gun laws and if you don't believe me go look it up yourself."
Keep lying, little girl. Three different posters, including me, gave you links.
This isn't the Democrat National Convention where you can lie and pretend everyone will believe your bullsh!t.

Hugh Victor Thompson III

“Larchmont's Leading Citizen”

Since: Dec 12

Hilliard, OH

#4314 Feb 10, 2013
Pale Rider wrote:
After Obama finds out the kind of guns people own. Next Biden can go after the guns, people don't need.
Is he going to start here?

Below are Senator Reid’s remarks as prepared for delivery:

“As many of you know, I grew up in Searchlight, in a home surrounded by the desert. Our dusty town didn’t have a high school, we didn’t have a grocery store, and there wasn’t even a place to buy a bullet.

“So it was a big deal when I could go out with my brother and father to shoot at targets out in open land. We’d take turns using our bolt-action .22-caliber rifle. Now I have eight guns, but I still have that .22, and it’s still my favorite.

“I have passed my love of shooting to my own grandchildren. My grandson Mason has come to love shooting sports just as much as his grandfather.

“Many of you have similar stories from your childhood – stories of bonding with your parents and siblings while shooting targets or shooting dinner – and stories of bonding with your children and grandchildren.

“Now your families and mine are fortunate to have such an impressive place to learn the skills of sport shooting – to learn the importance of safe shooting – to exercise our Second-Amendment rights – and to celebrate our Western heritage.

“I am so pleased that Wayne LaPierre is with us today. We have stood together in so many battles over the years.

“Just a few years ago we worked to protect our gun manufacturers from junk lawsuits. And as a result of that legislation, America’s gun companies are still America’s gun companies. That good law protected thousands of good jobs.

“Wayne and I also stood together to defeat the so-called Assault Weapons Ban. I voted against the ban when it was first proposed, I voted against it when folks tried to renew it, and I will continue to oppose it.
http://www.reid.senate.gov/newsroom/pr_100327...
Che Reagan Christ

Medina, OH

#4315 Feb 10, 2013
Adif understanding wrote:
<quoted text>5000, 9000, does it really make a difference to the point that 20 more not being enforced or selectively being enforced will not change one thing?
Oh, and BTW, I have a 3d printer and just downloaded the plans for my 30 round clips.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/andygreenberg/201...
When a person is an insufferable blowhard who constantly accuses other people of lying, there is a big difference between 5000 and 9000. The issue was never how many gun laws there are, whether there are too few or too many. The issue is that Walter is ALWAYS full of shit.
Che Reagan Christ

Medina, OH

#4316 Feb 10, 2013
Hugh Victor Thompson III wrote:
<quoted text>Keep lying, little girl. Three different posters, including me, gave you links.
This isn't the Democrat National Convention where you can lie and pretend everyone will believe your bullsh!t.
Not a single link provided supported a claim that there were 9000 gun laws in the US. It doesn't matter how many times you claim otherwise. You repeating your BS 9000 times doesn't make it true.
Pale Rider

AOL

#4317 Feb 10, 2013
Obama wants Congress to reinstate and strengthen a ban on the sale and production of assault weapons that expired in 2004. He also called for a ban on the sale and production of magazines with more than 10 rounds.

Do you support the efforts of Obama on Gun Control?

Hugh Victor Thompson III

“Larchmont's Leading Citizen”

Since: Dec 12

Hilliard, OH

#4318 Feb 10, 2013
Pale Rider wrote:
Obama wants Congress to reinstate and strengthen a ban on the sale and production of assault weapons that expired in 2004. He also called for a ban on the sale and production of magazines with more than 10 rounds.
Do you support the efforts of Obama on Gun Control?
Nobody with a brain supports Obama on any issue.

Hugh Victor Thompson III

“Larchmont's Leading Citizen”

Since: Dec 12

Hilliard, OH

#4319 Feb 10, 2013
Che Reagan Christ wrote:
<quoted text>
Not a single link provided supported a claim that there were 9000 gun laws in the US. It doesn't matter how many times you claim otherwise. You repeating your BS 9000 times doesn't make it true.
I gave a link that provided you with a state average of 184.
Your lies never cease.
Che Reagan Christ

Medina, OH

#4320 Feb 10, 2013
Hugh Victor Thompson III wrote:
<quoted text>I gave a link that provided you with a state average of 184.
Your lies never cease.
No you didn't. The link was to the front page of a pro gun website. No numbers whatsoever.

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#4321 Feb 10, 2013
"Gun Control Facts." By James D. Agresti and Reid K. Smith. Just Facts, September 13, 2010

http://www.justfacts.com/guncontrol.asp
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#4322 Feb 10, 2013
From Our President:
We might not be able to prevent every massacre or random killing," Obama said "If there is just one thing we can do, one life we can save, then we have an obligation to try."

So True!

Hugh Victor Thompson III

“Larchmont's Leading Citizen”

Since: Dec 12

Hilliard, OH

#4323 Feb 10, 2013
Che Reagan Christ wrote:
<quoted text>
No you didn't. The link was to the front page of a pro gun website. No numbers whatsoever.
So, how many laws already?

Counted how? The Brady law for example, is one law passed by Congress, but more than 3,000 words long. Brady ended up as several different numbered statutes on the books, and amendments to others. How many laws is that?

It originally required a waiting period, now it's a national background check, and it even regulates airline baggage. Would you call that three "laws"? Are each of the many separate requirements it places on the Attorney General separate "laws"? Attempts to count the various things controlled by "one" law are fruitless -- the law is designed to expand and encompass any case brought before it.

You still want some numbers? OK, let's do some counting. The book that describes the Texas gun laws is nearly 300 pages long. The unabridged federal guide is almost 400.

Most (though not all) of the language in an enacted "law" ends up as numbered and named "sections" or "articles" in law books. By Bloomfield Press' count, Texas had 226 of these numbered gun laws in 2005. Federally, there were 231 numbered statutes in February, 1996, and by 2005 that had grown to 271. Did 40 more federal gun laws in ten years finally outlaw crime? It's almost too silly to ask.

We went from 65,999 words in 1986 to 93,354 words in 2005 on the federal books (we identify and publish all those gun laws so we can word-count them; I don't believe anyone else can do that without a ton of work). Some laws got smaller in word count, but much greater in effect. See for example 18 USC §1114: instead of a long list of federal agents who get special treatment, it now basically says any government employee -- less words, far more impact on society.

Which brings us to the most metrical way of figuring how many laws there are. Texans in 2005 were under at least 49,442 words of state gun law, and 93,354 words of federal gun law -- a total of more than 143,000 words of law. An average novel is around 40,000 words.

So now you have a number. In Texas, you have to follow 143,000 words of law to stay legal, and on the flip side, we have this huge body of rules to use against bad people. What does that do for you? How do you interpret it against the obvious bias -- is that enough words?

Federal gun law in 2005:
93,354 words in 271 numbered statutes

Arizona gun law in 2006:
36,645 words in 183 numbered statutes

Virginia gun law in 2006:
45,494 words in 191 numbered statutes

Texas gun law in 2005:
49,442 words in 226 numbered statutes

California gun law in 1998:
158,643 words in 541 numbered statutes

Florida gun law in 1998:
46,585 words in 229 numbered statutes

http://gunlaws.com/faq.htm#howmany

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