Adif understanding

Chicago, IL

#3220 Jan 25, 2013
Duke for Mayor wrote:
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And one of the primary reasons for its original inclusion, keeping the southern slaves in line with militias, no longer exists.
woof
are you sitting there toking on a bong and writing the first thing that pops into you head in order to see if you can get a rise out of someone?

If not, I would like to know what coloring book you got your history from.
Duke for Mayor

Akron, OH

#3221 Jan 25, 2013
Hugh Victor Thompson III wrote:
<quoted text>Nothing like some leftist revision of history there, Dukie.
True "history" has no bent, Paco.

For the great enemy of the truth is very often not the lie deliberate, contrived, and dishonest but the myth persistent, persuasive, and unrealistic. Too often we hold fast to the cliches of our forebears. We subject all facts to a prefabricated set of interpretations. We enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought.

-John F. Kennedy

http://www.saf.org/lawreviews/bogus2.htm

http://www.saf.org/lawreviews/bogus2.htm

woof

“Ludibrium est onus genio”

Since: Dec 11

Planet Earth

#3222 Jan 25, 2013
Che Reagan Christ wrote:
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When is the last time a constitutional right needed to be protected by a gun?
There is no "time", it has simply always been.
The 220 years since the Bill of Rights has demonstrated that Article III protects the rights more effectively than any gun.
Only BECAUSE OF the presence of an armed populace. What is to stop the executive branch, for example, if the Supreme Court tells them they can't constitutionally do a certain thing and the Executive branch simply says, "eff you, we're doing it anyway"? Do you really think they're afraid of a piece of paper with writing on it handed down by judges? No, they're afraid of what's BACKING UP that piece of paper.
Duke for Mayor

Akron, OH

#3223 Jan 25, 2013
Adif understanding wrote:
<quoted text>are you sitting there toking on a bong and writing the first thing that pops into you head in order to see if you can get a rise out of someone?
If not, I would like to know what coloring book you got your history from.
I've provided a link. Take a few hours and read up on it. It may surprise you.

woof
Che Reagan Christ

Lodi, OH

#3224 Jan 25, 2013
-The-Artist- wrote:
<quoted text>
You want to force those who are opposed to abortion, to pay for abortions.
And you somehow think that is OK...
Che, you truly are your namesake.
No one is forcing anyone to pay for an abortion.
Che Reagan Christ

Lodi, OH

#3225 Jan 25, 2013
TonyD2 wrote:
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There is no "time", it has simply always been.
<quoted text>
Only BECAUSE OF the presence of an armed populace. What is to stop the executive branch, for example, if the Supreme Court tells them they can't constitutionally do a certain thing and the Executive branch simply says, "eff you, we're doing it anyway"? Do you really think they're afraid of a piece of paper with writing on it handed down by judges? No, they're afraid of what's BACKING UP that piece of paper.
They aren't afraid of the piece of paper. They RESPECT the piece of paper. Not everyone is driven solely by fear.

“Tenured Marxist Radical”

Since: Jan 13

Ivy League-ISIS

#3226 Jan 25, 2013
Duke for Mayor wrote:
<quoted text>
True "history" has no bent, Paco.
For the great enemy of the truth is very often not the lie deliberate, contrived, and dishonest but the myth persistent, persuasive, and unrealistic. Too often we hold fast to the cliches of our forebears. We subject all facts to a prefabricated set of interpretations. We enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought.
-John F. Kennedy
http://www.saf.org/lawreviews/bogus2.htm
http://www.saf.org/lawreviews/bogus2.htm
woof
That guy cites Michael Bellisles, a known fraud.

Further, why is similar language, and in many aspects better language, found in states that were anti-slavery in 1789?



Vermont:
Chapter 1, Article 16, That the people have a right to bear arms for the defence of themselves and the State - and as standing armies in time of peace are dangerous to liberty, they ought not to be kept up; and that the military should be kept under strict subordination to and governed by the civil power.

Rhode Island:
Article 1, Section 22. Right to bear arms.-- The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

Connecticut:
Article 1, SEC. 15. Every citizen has a right to bear arms in defense of himself and the state.

Pennsylvania:(The Declaration of Rights of the Pennsylvania Constitution predates and was a model for the Bill of Rights of the United States Constitution)
Section 21 . Right to Bear Arms
The right of the citizens to bear arms in defense of themselves and the State shall not be questioned.

Duke, PA passed the "Gradual Abolition Act" in 1780, by 1790 63% of blacks were free in PA.

Why the hell was PA, never a strong area of slavery to begin with, having this wording in its state constitution.

“Larchmont's Leading Citizen”

Since: Dec 12

Hilliard, OH

#3227 Jan 25, 2013
Duke for Mayor wrote:
<quoted text>
True "history" has no bent, Paco.
For the great enemy of the truth is very often not the lie deliberate, contrived, and dishonest but the myth persistent, persuasive, and unrealistic. Too often we hold fast to the cliches of our forebears. We subject all facts to a prefabricated set of interpretations. We enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought.
-John F. Kennedy
http://www.saf.org/lawreviews/bogus2.htm
http://www.saf.org/lawreviews/bogus2.htm
woof
Bogus. How appropriate. A leftist law professor attempts to revise history and you're right on board. Fancy that...

“Larchmont's Leading Citizen”

Since: Dec 12

Hilliard, OH

#3228 Jan 25, 2013
Che Reagan Christ wrote:
<quoted text>
No one is forcing anyone to pay for an abortion.
BS.

While the Hyde Amendment prohibits the use of these funds to directly pay for most abortions, Congress must add the Hyde Amendment to the Labor, Health & Human Services (LHHS) Appropriations bill annually—a practice the abortion industry is actively lobbying to end. Further, there is growing evidence, including testimony in recently unsealed “whistleblower” lawsuits, that some abortion providers already fail to routinely provide “meaningful” separation of funds, ensuring that tax dollars are not directly paying for abortion-related services. Given that the majority of Americans oppose taxpayer funding for abortion, this is deeply troubling.

Read more: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/oct/...
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VADoc

Aiken, SC

#3229 Jan 25, 2013
Che Reagan Christ wrote:
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They aren't afraid of the piece of paper. They RESPECT the piece of paper. Not everyone is driven solely by fear.
Yeah Obama so respects the constitution and scotus. That's why he tried to rush 3 appointees through and violate the constitution.

“Tenured Marxist Radical”

Since: Jan 13

Ivy League-ISIS

#3230 Jan 25, 2013
Duke for Mayor wrote:
<quoted text>
I've provided a link. Take a few hours and read up on it. It may surprise you.
woof
The courts have rejected that man's theories.

It makes little sense to say that the 2A is an emblem of white supremacy under the slave system, when anti-slavery Vermont has the same language under its state constitution, where Vermont has had Constitutional Carry since the founding of Vermont.

If only it was not populated by the dirty hippies.

“Tenured Marxist Radical”

Since: Jan 13

Ivy League-ISIS

#3231 Jan 25, 2013
Che Reagan Christ wrote:
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No one is forcing anyone to pay for an abortion.
Contained in the contraception mandate, are abortion inducing drugs.

This is a trial run for later forcing Catholic insitutions to pay for and/or conduct abortions on the affiliated hospital property, or face sanctions.

That's what Cuomo is trying in NY.

Now one might wonder, when NY has the nation's highest abortion rate, that there is not a sufficient amount of providers availible already.
Duke for Mayor

Akron, OH

#3232 Jan 25, 2013
-The-Artist- wrote:
<quoted text>
The courts have rejected that man's theories.
It makes little sense to say that the 2A is an emblem of white supremacy under the slave system, when anti-slavery Vermont has the same language under its state constitution, where Vermont has had Constitutional Carry since the founding of Vermont.
If only it was not populated by the dirty hippies.
Not that its really relevant to the fact that slavery was indeed a factor in the Federal Amendment's adoption, but the language in Vermont's Constitution is not the same.

woof
Duke for Mayor

Akron, OH

#3233 Jan 25, 2013
-The-Artist- wrote:
<quoted text>
That guy cites Michael Bellisles, a known fraud.
Further, why is similar language, and in many aspects better language, found in states that were anti-slavery in 1789?
The citations of Bellisles are fairly innocuous, and whether he merely engaged in sloppy research or intentional fraud is subject to debate.

Clearly, slavery was not the only reason the Federal Amendment was ratified by any state, nor did Northern states adopt their individual State Constitutional arms provisions with that in mind.

They're not mutually exclusive propositions.

woof

“animis opibusque parati”

Since: Oct 12

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#3234 Jan 25, 2013
Duke for Mayor wrote:
<quoted text>
The citations of Bellisles are fairly innocuous, and whether he merely engaged in sloppy research or intentional fraud is subject to debate.
Clearly, slavery was not the only reason the Federal Amendment was ratified by any state, nor did Northern states adopt their individual State Constitutional arms provisions with that in mind.
They're not mutually exclusive propositions.
woof
In other words, it's time for you to sit by the fireside and lick your butt.
Duke for Mayor

Akron, OH

#3235 Jan 25, 2013
-tip- wrote:
<quoted text>
In other words, it's time for you to sit by the fireside and lick your butt.
No. But you can.

First though, you could read Scalia's thoughts on the matter in Sections A(2), B, and C of Heller.

http://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/07-290....

His conclusion, and the Court's, seems to be that the Amendment doesn't merely protect individual rights of self defense, although that is what was at issue under the facts of that case.

woof

“Tenured Marxist Radical”

Since: Jan 13

Ivy League-ISIS

#3236 Jan 25, 2013
Duke for Mayor wrote:
<quoted text>
The citations of Bellisles are fairly innocuous, and whether he merely engaged in sloppy research or intentional fraud is subject to debate.
Clearly, slavery was not the only reason the Federal Amendment was ratified by any state, nor did Northern states adopt their individual State Constitutional arms provisions with that in mind.
They're not mutually exclusive propositions.
woof
Duke, there are a ton of left-wing academics who condemned Bellisles, Columbia University a capital of the academic left, stripped him of the Bancroft Prize.

Everyone agrees that he is a fraud.
Adif understanding

Chicago, IL

#3237 Jan 25, 2013
Duke for Mayor wrote:
<quoted text>
I've provided a link. Take a few hours and read up on it. It may surprise you.
woof
Not in the post I replied to. Otherwise I wouldn't have asked what coloring book you got your history lesson from.
Adif understanding

Chicago, IL

#3238 Jan 25, 2013
Duke for Mayor wrote:
<quoted text>
The citations of Bellisles are fairly innocuous, and whether he merely engaged in sloppy research or intentional fraud is subject to debate.
Clearly, slavery was not the only reason the Federal Amendment was ratified by any state, nor did Northern states adopt their individual State Constitutional arms provisions with that in mind.
They're not mutually exclusive propositions.
woof
lol.. So your claim is incorrect but you refuse to not believe it. I see.
Duke for Mayor

Akron, OH

#3239 Jan 25, 2013
-The-Artist- wrote:
<quoted text>
Duke, there are a ton of left-wing academics who condemned Bellisles, Columbia University a capital of the academic left, stripped him of the Bancroft Prize.
Everyone agrees that he is a fraud.
Are you claiming then that Carl Bogus is a fraud, or that his work is irrelevant?

The evolution and adoption of the federal 2nd amendment and the analogues in state Constitutions is not a subject that lends itself to simple conclusions, as some here seem to believe. I think you're a little more intelligent than that.

woof

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