Gun Control Under Obama
Murphys Law

Akron, OH

#3064 Jan 24, 2013
WiseAmerican wrote:
How would a world with strick conservative economic and social construct look like? If monopolies by the largest companies controlled everything without government interference, would that bring freedom of choice, stability, liberty? How about this, company A owns 80% of the wealth and the remaining 20% is fought over by other corporations. Corporation A wants to produce a car with one color only, purple! Or produce one style of cell phone. Raw capitalism without no government interference! I would see a form of fascism/Oligarchy taking place.
Americans would'nt tolerate that kind of system. We don't have a raw capitalism here. If we did we'd be no different than Somalia in 10 years if that form of government came to power. If the Constitution were followed by the letter, we'd be somewhere in the 17th century still.
A mixture of socialism and capitalism is what made this country 'exceptional' from all others on earth.
Libertarianism would also put us back in time to the 1800's. No system in and of itself, can work in a multi-cultural, multi-ethnic, multi-religious society as we have here. Only an oppressive system such as Islam or Communism 'forces' citizens to comply. Thank God we have the greatest system on earth!
Totalitarianism is what I think will happen if either Democrat or Republican get 100% control.
How many econ courses have you taken?

What's next, are you going to tell me that NAFTA destroyed the economy?
Che Reagan Christ

Medina, OH

#3065 Jan 24, 2013
Seriouslady wrote:
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Well, junior can meet my husband, my brother or my dogs first.....whichever he wants.
You are still too obtuse to get it.
VADoc

Warrenville, SC

#3066 Jan 24, 2013
WiseAmerican wrote:
<quoted text> I'm not in agreement with the tax refund set-up, but I think what the government is doing with the extra $537.00 she got, they know for a certainty that most if not all of that money will be spent in the economy. I'm not saying if it's right or wrong, I'm just saying! And as far as the merchants who have small businesses, they love this part of the year because items will move out of inventory, clothes will be bought, cars sold, extra food purchased, electronics, ect.
So those who work little and pay little in taxes and a lot of times have shown can't fund their own needs (not all but several) deserve a large check to buy junk with rather than save it to improve their financial livelihood while several of us see no refund, pay substantially higher taxes all year, and several of us pay at the end of the year too? How is that not redistribution of wealth?
WiseAmerican

Columbus, OH

#3067 Jan 24, 2013
Murphys Law wrote:
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How many econ courses have you taken?
What's next, are you going to tell me that NAFTA destroyed the economy?
In part, yes! It's never one thing or two that destroys an economy. I was making a point.
WiseAmerican

Columbus, OH

#3068 Jan 24, 2013
VADoc wrote:
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So those who work little and pay little in taxes and a lot of times have shown can't fund their own needs (not all but several) deserve a large check to buy junk with rather than save it to improve their financial livelihood while several of us see no refund, pay substantially higher taxes all year, and several of us pay at the end of the year too? How is that not redistribution of wealth?
I didn't say I agreed with our tax system, I'm saying what the rational is behind the government giving the extra $500 to the single female with a child. The upper middle class do pay more in total taxes but get back less than a poor person or a corporation compared to the amount they pay in.
Murphys law

Wadsworth, OH

#3070 Jan 24, 2013
WiseAmerican wrote:
<quoted text> In part, yes! It's never one thing or two that destroys an economy. I was making a point.
Read some Frederic Bastiat on free trade, it is always a net win.
Adif understanding

United States

#3071 Jan 24, 2013
WiseAmerican wrote:
<quoted text> I didn't say I agreed with our tax system, I'm saying what the rational is behind the government giving the extra $500 to the single female with a child. The upper middle class do pay more in total taxes but get back less than a poor person or a corporation compared to the amount they pay in.
Corporations and most middle class people don't pay in more then they owe. As for getting money back, I don't believe getting what you paid in back is a problem, it is the extra beyond what you paid in from programs like the Earned income Tax credit that pretends you paid extra in simply because you have a kid or whatever is the issue.

Since: Oct 10

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#3072 Jan 24, 2013
VADoc wrote:
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I've been advocating this for years!
Well, we have to get vocal and write letters. The nation cannot sustain this!!!!!!
Murphys law

Wadsworth, OH

#3073 Jan 24, 2013
Seriouslady wrote:
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Well, we have to get vocal and write letters. The nation cannot sustain this!!!!!!
Use this site

https://www.popvox.com/accounts/login...

It makes it very easy to email congress
Murphys law

Wadsworth, OH

#3074 Jan 24, 2013

Since: Oct 10

Location hidden

#3075 Jan 24, 2013
WiseAmerican wrote:
<quoted text> I'm not in agreement with the tax refund set-up, but I think what the government is doing with the extra $537.00 she got, they know for a certainty that most if not all of that money will be spent in the economy. I'm not saying if it's right or wrong, I'm just saying! And as far as the merchants who have small businesses, they love this part of the year because items will move out of inventory, clothes will be bought, cars sold, extra food purchased, electronics, ect.
No, No, No! I stated that poorly!

The IRS is sending her a check for $5,787.00! A FEDERAL PROFIT OF $4,077.00.

Her state is sending her a check for $1,513.00, A STATE PROFIT OF $ 537.00.

Total PROFIT:$4,614.00 It was the same last year, less a couple hundred.

and the cost of all the assistance she gets in the way of free daycare, food stamps, energy assistance and health care for herself and her daughter. I'm not sure if she gets housing assistance.

Both profits are because of the EIC credit, and in addition to the $3,800.00 exemption for her daughter, she got a $1,000. Additional child tax credit.

What would it have been if she had two children???

Now times that by all th single mothers, and married couples with low incomes and multiple children, in the country and tell me WHY the politicians call SS and medicare an entitlement in the first place....and it's the ONLY thing either party mentions when it comes to cutting entitlements?

It's absolutely unsustainable and further, a big reason why couples don't get married anymore. Then they would lose the low % tax filing status as 'single, head of household.'

Ahhhhhhhhhhhh. Now I'm pissed all over again.

BTW...if you collect unemployment, even for one week a year, the IRS gives you a credit of an additional $800.00. It's called the 'make work credit.'

Since: Oct 10

Location hidden

#3077 Jan 24, 2013
Pale Rider wrote:
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Hi SL, I read your comments about the Indians. Very interesting. I take it that you have many arrowheads. I know from experience, the land that farmers used to plow along the Ohio River, smaller bottoms along the Kentucky, and Lull Kantuck rivers after a rain, was a good time to look for arrowheads. In the past, I knew of arrow heads, Indian tools as well as graves have been found in the Carroll County, Kentucky area. The Lull Kantuck, as many in the past called it, the name is Little Kentucky, and the Kentucky River, empty into the Ohio near Carrollton. Also the oldest brick two story home 1790 between Pittsburg and Cairo, Illinois.
The Masterson House
Richard and Sarah Masterson, two of the earlier settlers built this home in the fall of 1790. It is the first two-story brick house to be built between Louisville and Cincinnati. It is reported to be the oldest two-story brick house still standing on the Ohio River between Pittsburgh and Cairo, Illinois.
Slave labor built the house out of native bricks, laid in Flemish Bond style, burned on the site. This was the first meeting-house for the Methodist Church in this area. Bishop Asbury stayed in this home during his last visit to the Kentucky frontier. The Port William Historic Society owns the house and it was restored in 1980. The house is open to the public and available for special events.
The Bible question:
Who was the Father of Job?
Off the topic, hope you enjoy.
TC SL PR
OH, I love it. And I'd love to see the house! The farmhouse I grew up in, next door to the house I live in now, is something. Bricks were brought over from England to be used as ballast in the ships coming to get tobacco and other crops. Flemish bond also. Three stories, which included 3 'attics', but all were finished rooms at one time. 7 fireplaces, all but one inlaid marble, and double pallors. Great bannister for sliding down to a big entrace hall. And three of those wrap around, enclosed stairs in other rooms of the house. Windowsills about 18" deep. Windows are all 'floated glass.' The couple slave houses were brick too. Square, one downstairs room with nothing put a fireplace and a row of steps up one wall. The second stories were about 2' high. Just enough for them to sleep. Dad had them torn down as the were an embarassment to him. The cellar, and it was a cellar, not basement, was dirt floors and 4 rooms. One room had a brick 'bench' about 2'- 3' all the way around it and iron rings in the walls. Egh.
Mother sold the house to a private school for autistic children when I got married the first time. For years it was only her and I living there. They use it for offices. Very nice to me and I am welcome to go over there and explore anytime. No one is there after 4 PM or weekends. Dad's stable is still there. There is a tall line of evergreens between the two houses.
My cousin's husband and I were metal detecting last Sunday. Found a few iron things I have not identified just yet and two slave rings. No treasure. I REALLY need to get the historial history on the house and farm. I know it was the main house of the Cann family. Miss. Cann, who was at least 90 at the time, used to tell me some things in Sunday school about it.
I do have a few arrowheads. Would LOVE to find a hatchet or something. And oyster shells where there is absolutely no reason in this world for them to be. My land 'grows' rocks of all sizes, colors and shapes. Glaciers must have come through here.
PM me. I hate to fill up the thread with all this.
Look up the town of "Old New Castle DE". Interesting place. I think they filmed part of Amistad there.

Since: Oct 10

Location hidden

#3078 Jan 24, 2013
Pale Rider wrote:
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the oldest brick two story home 1790 between Pittsburg and Cairo, Illinois.
The Masterson House
TC SL PR
I saw the house on Utube and some photos! Beautiful and beautiful location! I might be able to get an aerial photo of this one to you.

“animis opibusque parati”

Since: Oct 12

Location hidden

#3079 Jan 24, 2013
Seriouslady wrote:
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...The couple slave houses were brick too. Square, one downstairs room with nothing put a fireplace and a row of steps up one wall. The second stories were about 2' high. Just enough for them to sleep. Dad had them torn down as the were an embarassment to him....
Don't tell the Yankees about those slave cabins in DE.
Every Yankee knows that only greedy, racist Southerners owned slaves.
Duke for Mayor

United States

#3080 Jan 24, 2013
-tip- wrote:
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Don't tell the Yankees about those slave cabins in DE.
Every Yankee knows that only greedy, racist Southerners owned slaves.
Not Paco. He still doesn't believe there were slaves in New York City and DC.

woof

Hugh Victor Thompson III

“Larchmont's Leading Citizen”

Since: Dec 12

Hilliard, OH

#3081 Jan 24, 2013
Duke for Mayor wrote:
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Not Paco. He still doesn't believe there were slaves in New York City and DC.
woof
With any luck, some of them were your ancestors.

“Don't trust the internet!”

Since: Jan 12

Location hidden

#3082 Jan 24, 2013
Hugh Victor Thompson III wrote:
<quoted text>Randy Weaver. You never respond to that example.
Not much of an example, if you are discussing self defense. Weaver was a federal fugitive. There were numerous attempts over a period of months to negotiate with him and get him to court.

Certainly there were findings of missteps between agencies and so forth. For the most part they are set up to deal with fugitives who flee, not who hole up in mountain cabins with the intent of taking on the full force of the US.

Are you contemplating similar actions?

And how does that add up to self defense?

Hugh Victor Thompson III

“Larchmont's Leading Citizen”

Since: Dec 12

Hilliard, OH

#3083 Jan 24, 2013
FKA Reader wrote:
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Not much of an example, if you are discussing self defense. Weaver was a federal fugitive. There were numerous attempts over a period of months to negotiate with him and get him to court.
Certainly there were findings of missteps between agencies and so forth. For the most part they are set up to deal with fugitives who flee, not who hole up in mountain cabins with the intent of taking on the full force of the US.
Are you contemplating similar actions?
And how does that add up to self defense?
Randy Weaver was found not guilty of all charges except for that most heinous of crimes...failure to appear.
The Weaver case was a perfect example of federal fishing expeditions and arrogant, out of control agents. Look for repeats in the coming years.

“Don't trust the internet!”

Since: Jan 12

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#3084 Jan 24, 2013
VADoc wrote:
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So those who work little and pay little in taxes and a lot of times have shown can't fund their own needs (not all but several) deserve a large check to buy junk with rather than save it to improve their financial livelihood while several of us see no refund, pay substantially higher taxes all year, and several of us pay at the end of the year too? How is that not redistribution of wealth?
If you want a refund, just increase your withholding.

The EIC has been championed by administrations on both sides of the aisle, for multiple reasons. Not only does it put money directly into the economy, through spending, but it was a part of "making work pay" that was an underlying principle of the Clinton welfare reform.

Chiding people who live hand to mouth for not putting their money into savings is more than a bit naive.

“Don't trust the internet!”

Since: Jan 12

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#3085 Jan 24, 2013
Hugh Victor Thompson III wrote:
<quoted text>With any luck, some of them were your ancestors.
Or yours.

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