Murphys law

Wakeman, OH

#2940 Jan 23, 2013
Seriouslady wrote:
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How kind of our ancestors to pay the indians in beads for Manhattan Island and then give them, or other's like them, small pox laden blankets as we herded them onto 'reservations' and stole their land.
Our ancestors were the invaders. They had the guns.
It is what it is, Murphy. William Penn of Philadelphia, was one of my ancestors.
Quick, junior & Kosdick...start screaming 'liar, liar'
This is from wiki, so I'm not sure its veracity, but you can google it yourself

According to the document by Pieter Janszoon Schagen our people (ons Volck)—Peter Minuit is not mentioned explicitly there—acquired Manhattan in 1626 from Native American Lenape people in exchange for trade goods worth 60 guilders, often said to be worth 24 US$, though (by comparing the price of bread and other goods) it actually amounts to around $1,000 in modern currency

There is only one incident confirmed where smallpox blankets were used

http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/1088...

It's why one should not be on the losing side of the war.
Duke for Mayor

Akron, OH

#2941 Jan 23, 2013
VADoc wrote:
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Well I heard an awful lot of chatter and moaning about stolen elections in 2000.
When you build up enough of a base by giving out freebies then you have rigged the elections and your vote becomes useless. Kind of how I felt voting in South Carolina. I knew my state would go Romney so I shouldn't have really even waited in line 2 hours to vote. Just like how many in Illinois probably felt knowing that the decisions of Chicago would override their decisions. Now when the republicans want to change how the EC works the liberals pitch a fit, but not requiring ID to vote and trying to get as many illegals into the country and making them citizens to get more D voters is fair? It's been the game plan all along. Democrats could care less about blacks and they sure as hell don't care about Hispanics. Anyone who believes this is an idiot. They give you lip service until they get your vote then you are conveniently forgotten until the next election cycle.
I personally hope the independent 3rd party becomes a viable voting option in this country. Until then I have to choose who I feel is the lesser of two evils. Last election it was do you want a democrat or a socialist? Obama regular or Obama light. I chose Obama light. Then again I had no freebies promised to me to vote for Obama.
Huh?

I asked if your research into the Quebecqois had provided any insight about the power of the ballot, or civil disobedience.

Kind of off topic there Doc. Have you looked at the most recent election results up in Quebec?

In response to your US election comments though, it sounds as if your just upset that the Democratic party ran a better campaign, with more electable candidates.

Oh well.

woof
Murphys law

Wakeman, OH

#2942 Jan 23, 2013
Duke for Mayor wrote:
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Huh?
I asked if your research into the Quebecqois had provided any insight about the power of the ballot, or civil disobedience.
Kind of off topic there Doc. Have you looked at the most recent election results up in Quebec?
In response to your US election comments though, it sounds as if your just upset that the Democratic party ran a better campaign, with more electable candidates.
Oh well.
woof
The PQ formed a minority government at the last election, but odds are against another referendum, Quebec is not a donor province. Alberta is more likely to become a US State than Quebec an independent country.

Electable = Center-left

I'd rather lose and eventually push for self determination than compromise principle.

“Larchmont's Leading Citizen”

Since: Dec 12

Hilliard, OH

#2943 Jan 23, 2013
Che Reagan Christ wrote:
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That's right, Fred. Lie, and then when called on it, call those people liars. Karl Rove would be proud of that manuever. You can't make that revolution claim with a straight face. How many Hail Marys do you have to do for lying?
Let's see some posts that call for revolution, Che. I see posts where people are very clear in their intent to defend themselves.
Duke for Mayor

Akron, OH

#2944 Jan 23, 2013
Hugh Victor Thompson III wrote:
<quoted text>Really? Generally peaceful? Do you think the family of Pierre LaPorte feels that way? Read some history regarding the FLQ and the October Crisis. Ask English speakers about the "soft terrorism" from the 1970s through the 1990s.
Yes, really. Generally peaceful.

You can't change history by focusing upon one single group included in a decades long movement that has generally used civil disobedience, political pressure, and the franchise to pursue its goals.

Why is it you chirp outlandishly about people dying in the streets when your 2nd Amendment rights are ostensibly "threatened", but when others actually do assert rights to self determination, you claim they're thugs?

woof
Duke for Mayor

Akron, OH

#2945 Jan 23, 2013
Seriouslady wrote:
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Seems to me, reading through all these posts, it is mostly the liberals & dems predicting civil war and revolution.
No. You're misreading it. We keep asking when its gonna happen and how, because it really is quite comical.

Old white men with guns and pensions who piss and moan about people who actually really do have the gumption to hit the streets and statehouses to protest and petition their government, they aren't gonna do squat.

woof

“Larchmont's Leading Citizen”

Since: Dec 12

Hilliard, OH

#2946 Jan 23, 2013
Duke for Mayor wrote:
<quoted text>
Huh?
I asked if your research into the Quebecqois had provided any insight about the power of the ballot, or civil disobedience.
Kind of off topic there Doc. Have you looked at the most recent election results up in Quebec?
In response to your US election comments though, it sounds as if your just upset that the Democratic party ran a better campaign, with more electable candidates.
Oh well.
woof
Ha! I see Marois stirring it up in ways Réné Levesque would be proud of...trying to remove the Canadian flag from the floor of the National Assembly, sidling up to Alex Salmond in Edinburgh to flip off both London and Ottawa and trying to increase the powers of the Language Police even more. Stay tuned for more separatist shenanigans.

“Larchmont's Leading Citizen”

Since: Dec 12

Hilliard, OH

#2947 Jan 23, 2013
Duke for Mayor wrote:
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Yes, really. Generally peaceful.
You can't change history by focusing upon one single group included in a decades long movement that has generally used civil disobedience, political pressure, and the franchise to pursue its goals.
Why is it you chirp outlandishly about people dying in the streets when your 2nd Amendment rights are ostensibly "threatened", but when others actually do assert rights to self determination, you claim they're thugs?
woof
Self defense is something you will never grasp.
Go live in Quebec as an English speaking Canadian. You'll experience the soft tyranny of a "generally peaceful" society.
Murphys law

Wakeman, OH

#2948 Jan 23, 2013
Duke for Mayor wrote:
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No. You're misreading it. We keep asking when its gonna happen and how, because it really is quite comical.
Old white men with guns and pensions who piss and moan about people who actually really do have the gumption to hit the streets and statehouses to protest and petition their government, they aren't gonna do squat.
woof
Shatting on police cars and piles of sexual assault reports.

That's your protestors, we cleaned up the trash at ours, and one day we will clean it up in your 'hood.

Remember the Marine vet on Piers Morgan, there are many more like him.

I'm younger than you by a decent extent. Just saying.
Murphys law

Wakeman, OH

#2949 Jan 23, 2013
Duke for Mayor wrote:
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but when others actually do assert rights to self determination, you claim they're thugs?
woof
When I talk about self-determination, I'm called a racist, the term "thug" would shortly follow from a logical basis.
Duke for Mayor

Akron, OH

#2950 Jan 23, 2013
Murphys law wrote:
<quoted text>It's why one should not be on the losing side of the war.
Yeah because when someone comes to steal your land and succeeds, the thieves get to write the history of justification.

woof
Duke for Mayor

Akron, OH

#2951 Jan 23, 2013
Hugh Victor Thompson III wrote:
<quoted text>Ha! I see Marois stirring it up in ways Réné Levesque would be proud of...trying to remove the Canadian flag from the floor of the National Assembly, sidling up to Alex Salmond in Edinburgh to flip off both London and Ottawa and trying to increase the powers of the Language Police even more. Stay tuned for more separatist shenanigans.
So, its ok in Texas, but not in Quebec?

woof

“animis opibusque parati”

Since: Oct 12

Location hidden

#2952 Jan 23, 2013
Duke for Mayor wrote:
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Yeah because when someone comes to steal your land and succeeds, the thieves get to write the history of justification.
woof
"Damn skippy!" -- Abe Lincoln
Duke for Mayor

Akron, OH

#2953 Jan 23, 2013
Murphys law wrote:
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Shatting on police cars and piles of sexual assault reports.
That's your protestors, we cleaned up the trash at ours, and one day we will clean it up in your 'hood.
Remember the Marine vet on Piers Morgan, there are many more like him.
I'm younger than you by a decent extent. Just saying.
Well whatever you're sayin isn't clear. I don't watch Piers Morgan, so it doesn't click.

All I'm saying is that I find it comical that some folks get upset when Americans hit the streets and statehouses, call em thugs, and then claim they're gonna huddle with their guns and make love to em in protest when winds of regulation start a blowin.

woof
Duke for Mayor

Akron, OH

#2954 Jan 23, 2013
And like I said before, Dudley George got labeled a "thug", and murdered for doing nothing more than sittin on land that was rightfully his, shoutin at the OPP, and maybe...maybe, at most, throwing rocks at a patrol car.

woof

“Larchmont's Leading Citizen”

Since: Dec 12

Hilliard, OH

#2955 Jan 23, 2013
Duke for Mayor wrote:
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So, its ok in Texas, but not in Quebec?
woof
Get a clue. I see no disrespect for the American flag in Texas. I see no persecution by statute of non-English speakers. I don't see the governor traveling to schmooze with foreign separatist politicians.
Weak, especially for you, Duke.
Duke for Mayor

Akron, OH

#2956 Jan 23, 2013
Hugh Victor Thompson III wrote:
<quoted text>Ha! I see Marois stirring it up in ways Réné Levesque would be proud of...trying to remove the Canadian flag from the floor of the National Assembly, sidling up to Alex Salmond in Edinburgh to flip off both London and Ottawa and trying to increase the powers of the Language Police even more. Stay tuned for more separatist shenanigans.
And???

woof
Murphys law

Wakeman, OH

#2957 Jan 23, 2013
Duke for Mayor wrote:
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So, its ok in Texas, but not in Quebec?
woof
If Quebec votes for independence, they will probably be eagerly kicked out, as with Scotland.

Also, both movements are left wing.

Texas self-determination is right wing.

If Texas held an independence vote, you would clamor for invasion.
Murphys law

Wakeman, OH

#2958 Jan 23, 2013
Duke for Mayor wrote:
<quoted text>
And???
woof
Rick Perry has done nothing similar, but your side called him "dangerous"
Murphys law

Wakeman, OH

#2959 Jan 23, 2013
Duke for Mayor wrote:
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Well whatever you're sayin isn't clear. I don't watch Piers Morgan, so it doesn't click.
All I'm saying is that I find it comical that some folks get upset when Americans hit the streets and statehouses, call em thugs, and then claim they're gonna huddle with their guns and make love to em in protest when winds of regulation start a blowin.
woof
Are you referring to unions or occupiers?

We have called both thugs, the title is easier to hoist onto the occufilth, but the unions have had some violence assoicated, more than a Tea Party event for sure.

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