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Murphys law wrote:
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Say, what happened to Karl, seems that some people didn't like what he had to say and got him removed.
I thought you got spooked and gave up the identity when folks were suggesting that you could get into trouble by posing as a known celeb.

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You also seem to be a pretty big fan of the OKC bombing.
You have a strange mind, junior. go to bed.
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Jan 21, 2013
 
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He's in Barbados. I saw him today.
fleeing from the long arm of the law, eh?
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Jan 21, 2013
 
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This site is mainly a reflection of the America that is not part of the "low information voters", most of the posts on here are done by highly informed and charged partisans, and you gotta have a thick skin.
But the tendency on this forum has been much more combative since the election, and it will only get worse. It's the reason why I think that civil war is imminent before the end of the decade. It's the fruit of demographic warfare.
Now I know it is not a reflection. The vast majority of America is not informed even if they have the ability to be and sometimes even when they think they are.

I've had people talk with me about civil war in the past. I blew it off as drunken drivel. But after the election, people who I considered level headed and intelligent are talking about it. I think it's going to happen and it will happen for 20 different reasons- it is not just one thing that can be appeased. People are being pushed to their breaking points on multiple levels. I have thought about it and think I would side with them if it ever happened. But I'm not going to start it.

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Adif understanding wrote:
<quoted text>Now I know it is not a reflection. The vast majority of America is not informed even if they have the ability to be and sometimes even when they think they are.
I've had people talk with me about civil war in the past. I blew it off as drunken drivel. But after the election, people who I considered level headed and intelligent are talking about it. I think it's going to happen and it will happen for 20 different reasons- it is not just one thing that can be appeased. People are being pushed to their breaking points on multiple levels. I have thought about it and think I would side with them if it ever happened. But I'm not going to start it.
And who exactly is "them"?

I would think you might want to know who is attempting to overthrow the government of the United States before signing up to fight on their side.
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Adif understanding wrote:
<quoted text>Now I know it is not a reflection. The vast majority of America is not informed even if they have the ability to be and sometimes even when they think they are.
I've had people talk with me about civil war in the past. I blew it off as drunken drivel. But after the election, people who I considered level headed and intelligent are talking about it. I think it's going to happen and it will happen for 20 different reasons- it is not just one thing that can be appeased. People are being pushed to their breaking points on multiple levels. I have thought about it and think I would side with them if it ever happened. But I'm not going to start it.
It will be interesting to see what results, perhaps the left wing fearmongering of a Calvinist theocracy may actually come to pass similar to Syria and the Islamists.

I'm not a Calvinist, but people with a mission tend to be stronger fighters, I do wonder if a modern day "Knights Templar" will form.

While the idea that the average citizen can participate in government seems noble, most have no interest in doing so, and many who do aren't very good at it.(For instance, when have you last attended a township/city council meeting or a town hall with the local congressman, or even written your reps?)

For the pro-gun people, do this
http://www.ruger.com/micros/advocacy/takeActi...

I for one plan on spreading maple syrup on my pancakes up in Canada, and watching this land burn.
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And who exactly is "them"?
I would think you might want to know who is attempting to overthrow the government of the United States before signing up to fight on their side.
One day Bashar Assad was stable, the next day he wasn't.

No one really organized beforehand, but they may yet win.

Even the Syrian MB had little organization, and its unclear how much they have spread since they are not directly tied in with the jihadists.

I do think they will dominate the postwar government, but they aren't as powerful as they are in Syria.

In this country I think the leaders will be existing state governors that challenge the authority of DC.
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Jan 21, 2013
 
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That would require an amendment to the Constitution to remove certain parts of the 14th Amendment, regrettably it is almost impossible.
No it wouldn't, congress has the constitutional power to regulate immigration and they could either by statute directly or by making illegals legal but not citizens or citizens pending until such time has passed. Resident aliens are here legally and do not have the ability to vote.
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And who exactly is "them"?
I would think you might want to know who is attempting to overthrow the government of the United States before signing up to fight on their side.
Them are people I know of. We can leave it at that.

As for knowing what they want, I have choices of a government that doesn't represent me and it trying to take my rights away verses a something else that I'm sure I will not agree 100% with. I don't think I can lose and have the possibility of even winning. Or getting dead in the process and then it wouldn't even matter.
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Jan 21, 2013
 
Adif understanding wrote:
<quoted text>No it wouldn't, congress has the constitutional power to regulate immigration and they could either by statute directly or by making illegals legal but not citizens or citizens pending until such time has passed. Resident aliens are here legally and do not have the ability to vote.
It may be deemed unconstitutional because of "equal protection"

The Democrats will certainly be opposed to having people wait 10 years, and NCLR will call it racist.

The other factor is that the left and the Wall St wing of the GOP wants higher levels of immigration in general, which does nothing to resolve the problems created in 1965.
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Murphys law wrote:
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It will be interesting to see what results, perhaps the left wing fearmongering of a Calvinist theocracy may actually come to pass similar to Syria and the Islamists.
I'm not a Calvinist, but people with a mission tend to be stronger fighters, I do wonder if a modern day "Knights Templar" will form.
While the idea that the average citizen can participate in government seems noble, most have no interest in doing so, and many who do aren't very good at it.(For instance, when have you last attended a township/city council meeting or a town hall with the local congressman, or even written your reps?)
For the pro-gun people, do this
http://www.ruger.com/micros/advocacy/takeActi...
I for one plan on spreading maple syrup on my pancakes up in Canada, and watching this land burn.
I doubt a religious group would take over in the US. That's not to say they wouldn't have a strong influence, but I doubt it would become a theocracy. Most of the people I know who are upset with the government tend to think the original constitution as it is plainly stated seems to be a highly workable government foundation.

As for township meetings and government, I go to several a year (work schedule interference). I've had discussions with my state reps one on one. Outside of funding of research, we agree on quite a lot. As for Canada, they have less rights then we do, their constitution even allows the government to restrict their freedom of speech when they deem it is necessary. If you are unhappy here, I doubt much would be different there other then not having to dodge bullets or worry about fire bombings.

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SL,you are flipping all over the place here. But let me try to respond. You specifically referenced new laws and "instant" citizenship. What new laws have been enacted regarding immigration or citizenship? A part of the ongoing immigration problem has been the inability of Congress to even broach the subject of legislation. And there is no such thing as instant citizenship.
None of which has anything that I can see to do with either socialism or Marxism.
I'm not flipping anywhere. You, as usual, are 'the twister.' I did not say ANY laws have been enacted. BUT Obama has spoken on several occasions about an amnesty program and citizenship for illegals who have been in this country for a particular number of years.

And his administration is all for making immigration 'less cumbersome and slow.'

My translation: Increase their base by importing votes. Once they're here, put them all on welfare, housing assistance, food stamps, medicaid....the open credit card president presents his backers with their own open credit cards.

Now this is why that is a foolish move.

The taxpayers are broke. We just cannot afford anymore people on entitlements no matter how magnanimous we would like to be. The wealthy can pay 100% tax and it will not cover the tab.

Too sleepy to go back and forth with you tonight.
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Murphys law wrote:
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It may be deemed unconstitutional because of "equal protection"
The Democrats will certainly be opposed to having people wait 10 years, and NCLR will call it racist.
The other factor is that the left and the Wall St wing of the GOP wants higher levels of immigration in general, which does nothing to resolve the problems created in 1965.
If they are instant citizens, it probably wouldn't survive the equal protection clause. But if they become legal residents who have to wait 10 years after obtaining citizenship qualifications before being a citizen, there would be no conflict. Congress has the right to regulate who and how someone becomes a citizen.

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Adif understanding wrote:
<quoted text>Them are people I know of. We can leave it at that.
As for knowing what they want, I have choices of a government that doesn't represent me and it trying to take my rights away verses a something else that I'm sure I will not agree 100% with. I don't think I can lose and have the possibility of even winning. Or getting dead in the process and then it wouldn't even matter.
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fleeing from the long arm of the law, eh?
Na, appearing in a documentary.
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Jan 21, 2013
 
Adif understanding wrote:
<quoted text>I doubt a religious group would take over in the US. That's not to say they wouldn't have a strong influence, but I doubt it would become a theocracy. Most of the people I know who are upset with the government tend to think the original constitution as it is plainly stated seems to be a highly workable government foundation.
As for township meetings and government, I go to several a year (work schedule interference). I've had discussions with my state reps one on one. Outside of funding of research, we agree on quite a lot. As for Canada, they have less rights then we do, their constitution even allows the government to restrict their freedom of speech when they deem it is necessary. If you are unhappy here, I doubt much would be different there other then not having to dodge bullets or worry about fire bombings.
Most people at the beginning in Syria simply wanted the existing Syrian state without one-party rule, but we will likely end up with an Islamist party like the MB being the largest party in government, though probably not the majority.

I think that if a revolution comes, that the resulting new Constitution may look like the Hungarian one, which has religious elements to it. If you have made your way around an English department or worse a women's studies department, you may have heard of "The Handmaiden's tale" which is left wing fearmongering that Calvinists could rule the country under a theocracy known as "dominionism". Most Americans have no clue what dominionism is, but this is viewed worldwide as the basis of "the religious right" nearly all Protestants (not a Protestant) consider it heresy. If you don't believe me, look it up on the Guardian or Al Jazeera.

It's great to hear that you are involved locally, though if your location ID is correct, it must suck living in Illinois.

I am not in denial that Canada is far less free than the US, but I also don't plan on living in a war zone. I plan on being an "importer/exporter" up there.
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Jan 21, 2013
 
Adif understanding wrote:
<quoted text>If they are instant citizens, it probably wouldn't survive the equal protection clause. But if they become legal residents who have to wait 10 years after obtaining citizenship qualifications before being a citizen, there would be no conflict. Congress has the right to regulate who and how someone becomes a citizen.
That is true, I also heard of a plan from Sen. Rand Paul that would shut the legal immigration down for 5-10 years until all of the illegals were processed and the border secured.

I doubt it goes anywhere.

Paul Ryan is a traitor on the issue, read what Luis Guteierrez says about him.
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Murphys law wrote:
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Most people at the beginning in Syria simply wanted the existing Syrian state without one-party rule, but we will likely end up with an Islamist party like the MB being the largest party in government, though probably not the majority.
I think that if a revolution comes, that the resulting new Constitution may look like the Hungarian one, which has religious elements to it. If you have made your way around an English department or worse a women's studies department, you may have heard of "The Handmaiden's tale" which is left wing fearmongering that Calvinists could rule the country under a theocracy known as "dominionism". Most Americans have no clue what dominionism is, but this is viewed worldwide as the basis of "the religious right" nearly all Protestants (not a Protestant) consider it heresy. If you don't believe me, look it up on the Guardian or Al Jazeera.
It's great to hear that you are involved locally, though if your location ID is correct, it must suck living in Illinois.
I am not in denial that Canada is far less free than the US, but I also don't plan on living in a war zone. I plan on being an "importer/exporter" up there.
I'm in Lancaster- well short ways outside of it, I'm Not sure why it is saying my location is IL. It might be because I don't have an account and it assumes location based off my IP.

Anyways, importer and exporters are needed too..lol I'll look into the dominionism a little more. I think the most religion that would get into a new government (in the US) would be the removal of this fiction about a separation of church and state and how it is used to deny boy scouts and others rights they have had for decades or more (decorations in town squares and such or pictures of religious figures in schools).
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That is true, I also heard of a plan from Sen. Rand Paul that would shut the legal immigration down for 5-10 years until all of the illegals were processed and the border secured.
I doubt it goes anywhere.
Paul Ryan is a traitor on the issue, read what Luis Guteierrez says about him.
I think shutting down legit immigration is a bad thing. We used to use it to get and retain the intelligent people from other nations (even if they are different then us). The student VISA program was a raging success in this. We would educate the brightest of other nations and pick from the best of the best to entice into making the US their home. It gave us a lot of advantages during the space race and digital revolution (ha ha. can't believe I actually used that term).

The other way we use immigration is where we create bad situations in other countries by our policies and allow the worst impacted to immigrate to the US to escape political retribution.
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Jan 21, 2013
 
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Scalia, Kennedy, Breyer are more likely to die or retire from the court before Thomas.
As for now, four votes on the court would let the government render the 2A useless, and there is a high chance that Obama will play racial politics with the next appointment.
He'll play the same game that bigots have been playing since the beginning, but his game won't leave the undesirables out like the Jim Crow laws did in the south. All this can be avoided if businesses started hiring and training Americans instead of outsourcing to foreign nationals and visa students.
The white male and urban blackmale are the ones being marginalized. The blacks have been hit the hardest in this economic nightmare, yet you goons who have jobs and businesses are blaming the poor for our ills and not the politicians who write the tax laws that allows 1% to own 81% of the wealth.

Your asses are being replaced by eastern Indians/Pakistanis and Asians in the high tech and banking industries, but talk radio has got you goofys eyeing single moms getting an EBT card. You fell for the slight of hand trick! Enzyte has it right, it's the Jhoose who's taking away your childrens futures, not the blacks. They are living hand-to-mouth just surviving.

Any of you, ask yourself this: how many black 'men' do you see in any large numbers working ANYWHERE you work, shop, or eat out???? They're not receiving welfare from the gubment. There are no 'general relief' checks anymore for unemployed men.

Disabled and unable to work, Tyler and West are among 19 Gloucester residents who rely upon General Relief assistance to make ends meet. They have no other income than their monthly check from the Department of Social Services.

Last month, the Gloucester department was forced to close its General Relief program because it ran out of money. Now those 19 people must turn to their families, churches or community organizations to meet their needs, or they must do without.

Tyler, who lives with his mother on Route 17 at Gloucester Point, got $74 a month for General Relief. West, who has lived alone in a trailer at Gloucester Point since her husband died two years ago, got $131 a month. Social Services paid their medical expenses up to $80 a month -$30 for prescriptions and $50 for doctor visits. Both said the prescription allot ment didn't cover the cost of their medicine, so part of their monthly relief check paid the difference.

Although on July 1 everyone can reapply for assistance for the next fiscal year, the money won't be distributed until around the first of August, said Janice Z. Green, eligibility supervisor for Gloucester social services.

General Relief is funded, under state social services guidelines, at 62.5 percent from the state and 37.5 percent from local coffers. The program was developed to help disabled people who do not qualify for any other welfare program.

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