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#126 Feb 7, 2013
sidekick wrote:
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That's good, Reader. I've heard that occupying the hands into different activities help. A doctor told me that's the myth behind people gaining weight after quitting. It's not the reaction, it's the hands always wanting to be occupied, I guess eating is a full time deterrent.
So after this...I'll have to re-read the thread on weight loss? Ouch! A never ending battle with addictions, Is it not folks?
Yep--every time I think I have licked the last one, another one looms.

Pretty much down to coffee, these days and have no urge to give it up. Have stopped it in the afternoons, however.

But, it is pretty much all the same process. Admitting the problem, getting help, picking up when you fall down and so forth.

“Don't trust the internet!”

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#127 Feb 7, 2013
rowdy01 wrote:
A few years ago, Berger hospital came into our workplace with a program called "The Balancing Act". All we did was count fat grams, 30 or less per day for males, 25 or less for females. The weight actually fell off with us hardly knowing it until we looked into the mirror one day and said WOW! I loaned the book to someone and never got it back. I did great until I broke my foot a couple of years ago and fell off the program. I seriously wish I could find that program again.
Interesting.

I think that one of the reasons that the low-fat rage in America has not resulted in population-wide weight loss has to do with a couple of things. One is not distinguishing between different kinds of fats (which is something that I think Adkins moved into later on). Fat tends to relate to flavor in food--so simply eliminating fat from a lot of processed foods tended to lead to replacing it with sugar (for flavor), and frequently with carbs for texture.

I would imagine that your program probably did draw some lines around unhealthy replacements in some ways.

Glitter can probably expound a bit better, but nutrition seems to be fairly complex. We have made a lot of attempts at simplification (the food groups, the pyramid, just count calories, just count carbs, just count fat grams, etc)--but with each simplification, I think we have run risks. Just counting calories can be a set up--example, blowing things up by having a jelly donut for breakfast. In theory one can make it up later, but it isn't too likely.
Enzyte Bob

Blacklick, OH

#129 Feb 7, 2013
^^^ Let me repeat my story recounting my travels to Italy: The only fat guy I ever saw in Italy was the manager who came out of the kitchen of a McDonalds in Palermo, Sicily.

A true metaphor for what is wrong with America.

“Cats rule.”

Since: Dec 09

Chardon Ohio.

#131 Feb 7, 2013
FKA Reader wrote:
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LOL--you must be feeling better today!
Much better.Eating a steak right now,and who knows what later.

“Paper Or Plastic?”

Since: Nov 11

Albakoikee

#132 Feb 7, 2013
Catman Dave wrote:
<quoted text>Much better.Eating a steak right now,and who knows what later.
I'd suggest chocolate cake with chocolate icing :)

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#133 Feb 7, 2013
Catman Dave wrote:
<quoted text>Much better.Eating a steak right now,and who knows what later.
What about socks 2???

Since: Oct 10

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#134 Feb 7, 2013
Great, Catman. You're on the wagon one day and we learn all our friends on here are fighting being overweight, nicotine addiction or an addiction to coffee. LOL

You sure opened a can of worms and I'm not giving up coffee or peppermint patties. Love you

Oh, Tim McGraw was on Leno last night. He has been sober 5 years. It was interesting. He said his shyness lead to it and he performed better when loaded. Now he keeps busy 24 X 7 to avoid the cravings.

“Cats rule.”

Since: Dec 09

Chardon Ohio.

#135 Feb 7, 2013
Seriouslady wrote:
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What about socks 2???
She's fine.She is a work in progress.She's Tigers woman.

“Cats rule.”

Since: Dec 09

Chardon Ohio.

#136 Feb 7, 2013
Seriouslady wrote:
Great, Catman. You're on the wagon one day and we learn all our friends on here are fighting being overweight, nicotine addiction or an addiction to coffee. LOL
You sure opened a can of worms and I'm not giving up coffee or peppermint patties. Love you
Oh, Tim McGraw was on Leno last night. He has been sober 5 years. It was interesting. He said his shyness lead to it and he performed better when loaded. Now he keeps busy 24 X 7 to avoid the cravings.
What about Johnsons masturbation techniques.
Big Johnson

Columbus, OH

#137 Feb 7, 2013
Seriouslady wrote:
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What about socks 2???
Baked, fried or broiled?
Big Johnson

Columbus, OH

#138 Feb 7, 2013
Catman Dave wrote:
<quoted text>What about Johnsons masturbation techniques.
Say what you will, but I am also a teetotaller.
Enzyte Bob

Blacklick, OH

#139 Feb 7, 2013
Big Johnson wrote:
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Say what you will, but I am also a teetotaller.
I feel sorry for the guy, but my sick sense of humor prevailed. You got a funny icon for that one.

“Where did I put my tiara?”

Since: Dec 11

Columbus, OH

#140 Feb 8, 2013
FKA Reader wrote:
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Interesting.
I think that one of the reasons that the low-fat rage in America has not resulted in population-wide weight loss has to do with a couple of things. One is not distinguishing between different kinds of fats (which is something that I think Adkins moved into later on). Fat tends to relate to flavor in food--so simply eliminating fat from a lot of processed foods tended to lead to replacing it with sugar (for flavor), and frequently with carbs for texture.
I would imagine that your program probably did draw some lines around unhealthy replacements in some ways.
Glitter can probably expound a bit better, but nutrition seems to be fairly complex. We have made a lot of attempts at simplification (the food groups, the pyramid, just count calories, just count carbs, just count fat grams, etc)--but with each simplification, I think we have run risks. Just counting calories can be a set up--example, blowing things up by having a jelly donut for breakfast. In theory one can make it up later, but it isn't too likely.
Nutrition is complex thus taking five years to get a degree, now up to six if you go through Med Diet, OSU. My beginning advice to anyone is learn what a portion is first, worry about sources after you master that. I think I've shared this tidbit before, but worth sharing again. The hamburger in a happy meal, at McD's, used to be the "adult" burger that you purchased. Ruminate on that.
Spookhere F trolls

Detroit, MI

#141 Feb 8, 2013
GlitterSucks wrote:
<quoted text>Nutrition is complex thus taking five years to get a degree, now up to six if you go through Med Diet, OSU. My beginning advice to anyone is learn what a portion is first, worry about sources after you master that. I think I've shared this tidbit before, but worth sharing again. The hamburger in a happy meal, at McD's, used to be the "adult" burger that you purchased. Ruminate on that.
Ok then how buch bakwd racoon at the lions club of Danville is a portion?
Enzyte Bob

Blacklick, OH

#142 Feb 8, 2013
GlitterSucks wrote:
<quoted text>Nutrition is complex thus taking five years to get a degree, now up to six if you go through Med Diet, OSU. My beginning advice to anyone is learn what a portion is first, worry about sources after you master that. I think I've shared this tidbit before, but worth sharing again. The hamburger in a happy meal, at McD's, used to be the "adult" burger that you purchased. Ruminate on that.
Agreed. What's considered a deli sandwich in Italy we would consider an appetizer.

That said, bad carbs do make people eat more and bad carbs have been pushed on us in the last 40 years. The size of the typical grocery store used to be the same size as an Aldi is today. Now Kroger is in buildings that used to be the same size as a Kmart. If you look at what's in the middle of the store, it's mostly an expanded selection of junk.

So, it's a little of both IMO. Size matters (lol)... but there has also been a proliferation of tasty, oversized crap.
sidekick

Columbus, OH

#143 Feb 8, 2013
Enzyte Bob wrote:
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Agreed. What's considered a deli sandwich in Italy we would consider an appetizer.
That said, bad carbs do make people eat more and bad carbs have been pushed on us in the last 40 years. The size of the typical grocery store used to be the same size as an Aldi is today. Now Kroger is in buildings that used to be the same size as a Kmart. If you look at what's in the middle of the store, it's mostly an expanded selection of junk.
So, it's a little of both IMO. Size matters (lol)... but there has also been a proliferation of tasty, oversized crap.
I remember back in the 80s when Cub Foods came around, it was a massive grocery compared to it's competitors. The bulk food stations were new to us, plus it seemed like the more you buy the more you saved. Although, when Meijer came in, they put a big dent in Cub & the other old school grocers game.
Anyhow, I wish you a healthy eating style, which you seem to be putting very great interest in(as not too many men do) BTW, You are male right, Bob? lol.. Good Luck anyway..
sidekick

Columbus, OH

#144 Feb 8, 2013
Big Johnson wrote:
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Say what you will, but I am also a teetotaller.
LOL!
Enzyte Bob

Blacklick, OH

#145 Feb 8, 2013
sidekick wrote:
Anyhow, I wish you a healthy eating style, which you seem to be putting very great interest in(as not too many men do) BTW, You are male right, Bob? lol.. Good Luck anyway..
LOL ... my health nut leanings have do to with the fact that my job can often bore me to tears. I was struggling with boredom and staying alert. I've found that since I started paying attention to these things, it hasn't been so much of a problem as it was for awhile.
Enzyte Bob

Blacklick, OH

#146 Feb 8, 2013
sidekick wrote:
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I remember back in the 80s when Cub Foods came around, it was a massive grocery compared to it's competitors. The bulk food stations were new to us, plus it seemed like the more you buy the more you saved. Although, when Meijer came in, they put a big dent in Cub & the other old school grocers game.
Anyhow, I wish you a healthy eating style, which you seem to be putting very great interest in(as not too many men do) BTW, You are male right, Bob? lol.. Good Luck anyway..
What's interesting to me is when I think back to the Kroger store at Berwick my mother used to shop at and how small it was. It would be interesting to take each part of the store and compare it to what you see in a Kroger store today. It's amazing what people "have" to have today.

It's also amazing that you can't escape food. Every other store seems to sell food these days from gas stations to Kmart.

I was always amused by people who go see a movie and "have" to have something to eat or drink. It's like, you can't make it 90 minutes without stuffing your face? lol
George Jefferson

New Albany, OH

#147 Feb 8, 2013
I thought the Hilliard trash was the most pathetic thing on topix until I came across this discussion. What a sorry life you people have coddling this loser that has to come to topix to get sympathy.

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