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#85 Feb 6, 2013
Catman Dave wrote:
<quoted text>Pepsi.No wine here,buddy.That crap doesn't agree with me Either.I should have bought ginger ale.Now I cant sit still.But this is still better than being drunk and making a fool out of myself on here.
It's the caffeine in the pepsi. You didn't make a fool of yourself.
You'd have to go a long, long, long way to make a fool of yourself on this forum.
Take a look at all the competition.
And if I'm pointing fingers, I'm also point back at myself and "HOW DO YOU ATTACK PURPLE MARTINS?"

Which, by the way, Catman is an expert on.
Enzyte Bob

Blacklick, OH

#86 Feb 6, 2013
FKA Reader wrote:
<quoted text>
Not rejecting the whole medical cure--but, it has not yet been widely adopted in the US. As I understand the science of it, it makes sense. What seems to make an addiction an addiction in the first place has to do with that endorphins release cycle.
Still--gotta find someone working with it and work through the insurance issues and all that.
I have a good friend in AA who always falls off the wagon (drugs). It is very disappointing that so many people try so hard and can't get anywhere. That tells me there's something more going on here.

We have learned a lot of things about psychiatry over the last 10 or 20 years. Just because something hasn't been adopted doesn't mean it doesn't have merit.

Again, this is someone who doesn't know what he's talking about, just speculating out loud. But I would think this calls for a well-rounded approach with meds, balanced diet and some moderate exercise to keep blood flow to your head so you don't lose focus and fall off the wagon again. Just some thoughts, but when I'm hitting the treadmill regularly it's easier to keep enough focus to keep regressing back to some of my bad habits.

I know when I took a diet class a couple of years ago, I reporting every Monday kept you centered and accountable. AA with it's abstinence approach is probably incompatible with that. I would almost guess they have to have Sinclair support groups as part of the exercise.
Enzyte Bob

Blacklick, OH

#87 Feb 6, 2013
Seriouslady wrote:
<quoted text>
It's the caffeine in the pepsi. You didn't make a fool of yourself.
I've been drinking coffee lately. I've noticed that caffeine in coffee increases my hunger pangs for some reason. Or maybe it's the Folgers hazelnut flavoring (sugar again) that makes my stomach rumble?

“Hi-Yo Silver! Away!”

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#88 Feb 6, 2013
FKA Reader wrote:
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The problem with trying to substitute beer for hard liquor (beyond the fact that you can get really ripped on beer as well) is that once you drink the first beer, you have just shot a big hole in your will power.
That's one reason, I believe, that most addiction programs really go abstainance all the way--even if the primary addiction is something like crack or heroin. Someone who is doing OK sober, sorta forgets everything with a beer--and next thing you know they are back onto whatever the problem was to begin with.
But, in terms of alcohol, the body doesn't really distinguish between the alcohol in beer and the alcohol in tequila (even though one may make a bigger mess of your stomach. But, its still the same addiction. You didn't ask for it and don't deserve it--still you got it and you gotta deal with it (speaking to Dave).
Hang in--you've about made it through today.
I looked at a European Ale while wondering the beer aisle one day. One 11.5 ounce bottle was 8.19% alcohol. The math is simple: 11.5 * 0.0819 = 0.94185 oz of pure alcohol. That's equal to 2.355 oz of 80 proof whiskey. So 3 of these ales equal 7 shots of 80 proof. Not many people think of it that way. And regardless of source it is all ethyl alcohol.

“animis opibusque parati”

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#89 Feb 6, 2013
Enzyte Bob wrote:
<quoted text>
I've been drinking coffee lately. I've noticed that caffeine in coffee increases my hunger pangs for some reason. Or maybe it's the Folgers hazelnut flavoring (sugar again) that makes my stomach rumble?
Yep, it's the flavored coffees.
Take it from a java junkie.

“Don't trust the internet!”

Since: Jan 12

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#90 Feb 6, 2013
Enzyte Bob wrote:
<quoted text>
I have a good friend in AA who always falls off the wagon (drugs). It is very disappointing that so many people try so hard and can't get anywhere. That tells me there's something more going on here.
We have learned a lot of things about psychiatry over the last 10 or 20 years. Just because something hasn't been adopted doesn't mean it doesn't have merit.
Again, this is someone who doesn't know what he's talking about, just speculating out loud. But I would think this calls for a well-rounded approach with meds, balanced diet and some moderate exercise to keep blood flow to your head so you don't lose focus and fall off the wagon again. Just some thoughts, but when I'm hitting the treadmill regularly it's easier to keep enough focus to keep regressing back to some of my bad habits.
I know when I took a diet class a couple of years ago, I reporting every Monday kept you centered and accountable. AA with it's abstinence approach is probably incompatible with that. I would almost guess they have to have Sinclair support groups as part of the exercise.
The blurb suggested that studies, support groups didn't add anything to the Sinclair recovery.

But--while there are still die-hard AA ers around, I think that most recovery programs incorporate both 12-step programs along with some medical detox and nutrition, exercise and so forth. I'm a fan of Dr. Drew's Rehab show, and there is a role for carefully controlled medication particularly for some folks coming out of long-term heavy drug use. That used to be really anathema.

BTW--have you ever read any Dr. Atkins? He has a whole scientific explanation for why eating carbs makes you hungry. Basically they digest and go into storage quickly. Proteins digest more slowly--and tend to be burned as digested. And it does seem to be the case. It is really hard to eat a surplus of primarily proteins.

He wasn't too big on caffeine either, but I made it through the first phases of Atkins OK while still drinking coffee.

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#91 Feb 6, 2013
FKA Reader wrote:
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Are you kidding?
Wait What is going to start following me around to tattle on me again, but here's a bad joke.
How many Jewish mothers does it take to change a light bulb?
Never mind, it's all right. I can just sit here in the dark.
How many muslim mothers does it take to screw in a light bulb?

Never mind...that would be soooo totally politically incorrect
Enzyte Bob

Blacklick, OH

#92 Feb 6, 2013
-tip- wrote:
<quoted text>
Yep, it's the flavored coffees.
Take it from a java junkie.
I've actually been making ice coffee lately. I make 8 cups using 5 scoops, and then I throw it in a pitcher with a bunch of ice.

Maybe I won't be so cheap next time and just grab the bag of Starbucks Coffee.

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#93 Feb 6, 2013
Enzyte Bob wrote:
<quoted text>
I've been drinking coffee lately. I've noticed that caffeine in coffee increases my hunger pangs for some reason. Or maybe it's the Folgers hazelnut flavoring (sugar again) that makes my stomach rumble?
I love coffee. I can drink it ice cold. But I can't drink it or iced tea after, say 2 PM, or I will just not sleep. Jeeze, now I want a cup and it's 10 PM.
sidekick

Columbus, OH

#94 Feb 6, 2013
Enzyte Bob wrote:
<quoted text>
I've been drinking coffee lately. I've noticed that caffeine in coffee increases my hunger pangs for some reason. Or maybe it's the Folgers hazelnut flavoring (sugar again) that makes my stomach rumble?
I like coffee anytime of day. I don't use sugar though, but it slows down the guzzling urge most beer drinkers are use to. That's why i mentioned Dave working on his off season. When i quit, and substituted Pepsi for the beer i drank, i was so full of zip that i had to stay busy till I about fell over. Even when i was watching T.V. I worked on jig-saw puzzles to keep my mind on something, not to forget all the computer skills i researched and practiced. Music and Art became more interesting to work on, rather than just listen and look at.
Bottom line: I am focused on what i need to do...and enjoy most of what i do.*SOBER*
Cigarettes are my next challenge.
no booze

Columbus, OH

#96 Feb 6, 2013
You first have to grow up in order to sober up and then you won't throw up.

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#97 Feb 6, 2013
FKA Reader wrote:
<quoted text>
The blurb suggested that studies, support groups didn't add anything to the Sinclair recovery.
But--while there are still die-hard AA ers around, I think that most recovery programs incorporate both 12-step programs along with some medical detox and nutrition, exercise and so forth. I'm a fan of Dr. Drew's Rehab show, and there is a role for carefully controlled medication particularly for some folks coming out of long-term heavy drug use. That used to be really anathema.
BTW--have you ever read any Dr. Atkins? He has a whole scientific explanation for why eating carbs makes you hungry. Basically they digest and go into storage quickly. Proteins digest more slowly--and tend to be burned as digested. And it does seem to be the case. It is really hard to eat a surplus of primarily proteins.
He wasn't too big on caffeine either, but I made it through the first phases of Atkins OK while still drinking coffee.
My assistant lost a ton on Adkins. And gained it all back. Waited five years and now has lost a ton on Nutrisystem. I love to see her happy and liking herself. Good girl, that one.

It's hard to beat your genes when it comes to weight.

“animis opibusque parati”

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#98 Feb 6, 2013
Seriouslady wrote:
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I love coffee. I can drink it ice cold. But I can't drink it or iced tea after, say 2 PM, or I will just not sleep. Jeeze, now I want a cup and it's 10 PM.
Whenever family or friend asks if I want a cup of coffee, I simply smile and say, "Stupid question."

There's never a bad time for a cup of coffee.
Enzyte Bob

Blacklick, OH

#99 Feb 6, 2013
Seriouslady wrote:
<quoted text>
I love coffee. I can drink it ice cold. But I can't drink it or iced tea after, say 2 PM, or I will just not sleep. Jeeze, now I want a cup and it's 10 PM.
I was drinking way too much diet pop and decided ice coffee and Crystal Light were going to be my replacements as my new year's resolution.
Enzyte Bob

Blacklick, OH

#100 Feb 6, 2013
Seriouslady wrote:
<quoted text>
My assistant lost a ton on Adkins. And gained it all back. Waited five years and now has lost a ton on Nutrisystem. I love to see her happy and liking herself. Good girl, that one.
It's hard to beat your genes when it comes to weight.
Glitter being a dietician is a better person to opine, but the Learn system works better long term. If one of the hospitals in your area offers it, it is worth the $200 because you re-learn how to eat properly. I took it twice, actually ... All I do is make sure I stay under 2,000 calories a day (that means very limited restaurant food) and some moderate exercise (30 minutes of walking will do, but 60 is really ideal).

Wendy's is fine in a hurry, but just the sandwich only. No fries and Coke. Once you get used to it, it's great. This is not a diet. You are not hungry. You eat properly and you make sure you don't gorge yourself on calories.

After she loses her tonnage on NutriSystem, she should take Learn so she can eat properly and not balloon all over again. I lost 30 pounds. I could probably stand to lose 30 more. But the important thing is that I've kept the 30 off except for a little winter weight.

“Paper Or Plastic?”

Since: Nov 11

Albakoikee

#101 Feb 6, 2013
Seriouslady wrote:
<quoted text>
I love coffee. I can drink it ice cold. But I can't drink it or iced tea after, say 2 PM, or I will just not sleep. Jeeze, now I want a cup and it's 10 PM.
No hot coffee for me. Its a venti iced mocha that makes my day, no matter what the weather.

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#102 Feb 6, 2013
-tip- wrote:
<quoted text>
Whenever family or friend asks if I want a cup of coffee, I simply smile and say, "Stupid question."
There's never a bad time for a cup of coffee.
O.K., Tip. You wanna be the one to sit up and listen to me rattle on all night?:-)

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#103 Feb 6, 2013
Enzyte Bob wrote:
<quoted text>
Glitter being a dietician is a better person to opine, but the Learn system works better long term. If one of the hospitals in your area offers it, it is worth the $200 because you re-learn how to eat properly. I took it twice, actually ... All I do is make sure I stay under 2,000 calories a day (that means very limited restaurant food) and some moderate exercise (30 minutes of walking will do, but 60 is really ideal).
Wendy's is fine in a hurry, but just the sandwich only. No fries and Coke. Once you get used to it, it's great. This is not a diet. You are not hungry. You eat properly and you make sure you don't gorge yourself on calories.
After she loses her tonnage on NutriSystem, she should take Learn so she can eat properly and not balloon all over again. I lost 30 pounds. I could probably stand to lose 30 more. But the important thing is that I've kept the 30 off except for a little winter weight.
Bob, I'm 5'6" and 135 lbs and fight to keep every one of them. I, thank God, can eat anything I want, anytime. Like my dad.

My assistant is short,(5' 2"?) to being with, but I think her mother's sudden death took it's toll on her eating habits. She's a very smart woman. She'll handle it.
Spookhere F trolls

Detroit, MI

#104 Feb 6, 2013
Seriouslady wrote:
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Bob, I'm 5'6" and 135 lbs and fight to keep every one of them. I, thank God, can eat anything I want, anytime. Like my dad.
My assistant is short,(5' 2"?) to being with, but I think her mother's sudden death took it's toll on her eating habits. She's a very smart woman. She'll handle it.
Hope your thyroid doesn't slow down. If it does you will be counting calories.
Enzyte Bob

Blacklick, OH

#105 Feb 6, 2013
Seriouslady wrote:
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Bob, I'm 5'6" and 135 lbs and fight to keep every one of them. I, thank God, can eat anything I want, anytime. Like my dad.
My assistant is short,(5' 2"?) to being with, but I think her mother's sudden death took it's toll on her eating habits. She's a very smart woman. She'll handle it.
You are still probably eating relatively right. I guarantee if you started eating a McDonalds breakfast, Wendy's for lunch, pizza for dinner and potato chips all the time you would blimp out too. Body builders say that a good physique is 80% diet.

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