Deteriorating Families and Gun Violence

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#41 Feb 9, 2013
TonyD2 wrote:
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I would expect a lag, perhaps a varying one, between the time the family became "single parent" and the time the "child" was caught committing a crime, that might make it difficult to measure.
Well, you are assuming a one-on-one relationship between a child in a single parent family and the commission of a crime.

In fact, what we are far more typically looking at is multiple risk factors. Some of these (economics, for instance) track somewhat neatly with single parenthood and others not. Some impacts may be lessoned by other family factors--a father who is present despite not being married, the presence of grandparents and other extended family, education levels, employment, a good many things.

And, of course, there is the reality of access to weapons--something a lot of folks don't like to talk about.

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#42 Feb 9, 2013
-The-Artist- wrote:
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It's an abdication of responsibility. 98% are essentially for convenience.
I would complain a lot less about it, if it ended in sterilization.
Making children merely inconvenient, then eh?
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#43 Feb 9, 2013
-The-Artist- wrote:
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It's an abdication of responsibility. 98% are essentially for convenience.
I would complain a lot less about it, if it ended in sterilization.
Who you gonna sterilize?

woof

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#44 Feb 9, 2013
FKA Reader wrote:
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Making children merely inconvenient, then eh?
If you have one abortion for "therapeutic" reasons, that's bad.

More, that's a threat to the existence of society.

There is no right to freedom of no consequences for your irresponsibility.

As the health system swims upstream to single-payer, "cost control" will be important.

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#45 Feb 9, 2013
Duke for Mayor wrote:
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Who you gonna sterilize?
woof
Haven't you already been snipped?

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#46 Feb 9, 2013
-The-Artist- wrote:
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If you have one abortion for "therapeutic" reasons, that's bad.
More, that's a threat to the existence of society.
There is no right to freedom of no consequences for your irresponsibility.
As the health system swims upstream to single-payer, "cost control" will be important.
What are you babbling about?

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#47 Feb 9, 2013
-The-Artist- wrote:
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If you have one abortion for "therapeutic" reasons, that's bad.
More, that's a threat to the existence of society.
There is no right to freedom of no consequences for your irresponsibility.
As the health system swims upstream to single-payer, "cost control" will be important.
So--wait a minute.

First you say that you wouldn't have a problem with abortion if they ended with sterilization.

Next, you say that if someone has a second abortion they are threatening the existence of society.

Wouldn't sterilizing folks pose a similar threat, then?

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#48 Feb 9, 2013
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The choice is sometimes abortion, and sometimes not.
You have difficulty recognizing that.
Pro-"choice" is only about the choice to kill your in-utero child.
Otherwise, the movement wouldn't exist.

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#49 Feb 9, 2013
FKA Reader wrote:
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What are you babbling about?
"Safe, legal, and rare"

I for one actually thought that your side cared about #3

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#50 Feb 9, 2013
-The-Artist- wrote:
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"Safe, legal, and rare"
I for one actually thought that your side cared about #3
#2 is the only accurate description.
And it is all that they care about.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-22761...

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#51 Feb 9, 2013
FKA Reader wrote:
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So--wait a minute.
First you say that you wouldn't have a problem with abortion if they ended with sterilization.
Next, you say that if someone has a second abortion they are threatening the existence of society.
Wouldn't sterilizing folks pose a similar threat, then?
Read the actual posts

I did not say "I would not have a problem" I said "I would have less of a problem"

If you are irresponsible enough to have one elective abortion, you obviously are not competent to raise children.

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#52 Feb 9, 2013
-tip- wrote:
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Pro-"choice" is only about the choice to kill your in-utero child.
Otherwise, the movement wouldn't exist.
The movement arose in response to a lot of dead women.

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#53 Feb 9, 2013
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Well, you are assuming a one-on-one relationship between a child in a single parent family and the commission of a crimesme.
No, I'm assuming that most criminals come from single parent homes.
In fact, what we are far more typically looking at is multiple risk factors. Some of these (economics, for instance) track somewhat neatly with single parenthood and others not. Some impacts may be lessoned by other family factors--a father who is present despite not being married, the presence of grandparents and other extended family, education levels, employment, a good many things.
Yep. Improved law enforcement techniques may help too.
And, of course, there is the reality of access to weapons--something a lot of folks don't like to talk about.
Yes, criminals know how to get guns. Further restricting law abiding people, however, is not the answer to that. Not in a free country.

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#54 Feb 9, 2013
-The-Artist- wrote:
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"Safe, legal, and rare"
I for one actually thought that your side cared about #3
In fact, I care about all three.

So--you see sterilizing people as a means by which to ensure that they never have another abortion?

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#55 Feb 9, 2013
-tip- wrote:
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#2 is the only accurate description.
And it is all that they care about.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-22761...
I remember in VA when the state legislature required that abortion conducting facilities be held to the same regulations as hospitals.

The left freaked out over that.

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#56 Feb 9, 2013
-tip- wrote:
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Pro-"choice" is only about the choice to kill your in-utero child.
Otherwise, the movement wouldn't exist.
That will likely change, I'm afraid... With government interference (and the cost of that interference) increasing, I suspect that if something isn't done pretty soon the government may give itself the power to MANDATE abortion (thus taking away the choice of giving birth) in some circumstances, to control its costs.

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#57 Feb 9, 2013
FKA Reader wrote:
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In fact, I care about all three.
So--you see sterilizing people as a means by which to ensure that they never have another abortion?
Yes

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#58 Feb 9, 2013
FKA Reader wrote:
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The movement arose in response to a lot of dead women.
And irresponsible

The part that many like to leave out

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#59 Feb 9, 2013
TonyD2 wrote:
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in some circumstances, to control its costs.
Post 44

Reader thinks that line is bogus.
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#60 Feb 9, 2013
-The-Artist- wrote:
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Haven't you already been snipped?
Really Karl. You say it as if its a viable solution.

Who you gonna sterilize?

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