Religious Freedom & the Return of Sla...
Pope Che Reagan Christ I

Medina, OH

#21 Mar 4, 2014
Duke for Mayor wrote:
Hey Tip.
You do realize that not all wedding ceremonies are religious, or sacramental ones, and that such a ceremony is not required to make a spousal relationship valid under the eyes of the law, right?
http://www.osbar.org/public/legalinfo/1131_Ma...
There's a big gaping hole in your argument that a baker is asserting a Constitutional right to exercise his or her religious convictions by denying service to gay couples.
With a photographer, who is more actively engaged in the ceremony than a baker, I might be more inclined to agree with you, but the same counter argument could be made if it isn't a religious ceremony.
woof
If the "photographer is a participant in the ceremony" argument was valid, then a Jewish photographer could refuse services to Catholics. No one, ever, has asked the blessing of their photographer in order to get married.
Reality Speaks

Columbus, OH

#22 Mar 4, 2014
Pope Che Reagan Christ I wrote:
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If the "photographer is a participant in the ceremony" argument was valid, then a Jewish photographer could refuse services to Catholics. No one, ever, has asked the blessing of their photographer in order to get married.
what does it matter?
Pope Che Reagan Christ I

Medina, OH

#23 Mar 4, 2014
Reality Speaks wrote:
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what does it matter?
Right.
Reality Speaks

Columbus, OH

#24 Mar 4, 2014
Pope Che Reagan Christ I wrote:
<quoted text>
Right.
charge extra to scare away anyone you don't want to do business with.

works 100% of the time

problem solved.
They cannot kill a Spook

Toledo, OH

#25 Mar 4, 2014
-tip- wrote:
<quoted text>
A black baker may refuse to provide a KKK-themed cake for an event.
But...a Christian baker may not refuse to provide a gay-themed cake for an event.
Please explain.
Also, which party's rights are superior in the case of the Muslim barber v. Lesbian customer?
Please advise.
Would it be ok if the muslim cut the alit lickers hairs with a weed wacker?
Just wondering if there can be a compromise since the slit lickers going to barbers usually get flat tops anyway.

“animis opibusque parati”

Since: Oct 12

Location hidden

#26 Mar 4, 2014
Y'all have yet to provide a legal justification for the fact that the black baker may refuse to provide services for a KKK-themed event...while the Christian baker is mandated by government to provide services for a gay-themed event.

Say, if Westboro Baptist asked a gay baker to provide services for one of their events, should the gay baker be compelled by government to do so?

“Tenured Marxist Radical”

Since: Jan 13

Ivy League-ISIS

#27 Mar 4, 2014
-tip- wrote:
Y'all have yet to provide a legal justification for the fact that the black baker may refuse to provide services for a KKK-themed event...while the Christian baker is mandated by government to provide services for a gay-themed event.
Say, if Westboro Baptist asked a gay baker to provide services for one of their events, should the gay baker be compelled by government to do so?
Is the first actually allowed?

Has it been tested in court?
Pope Che Reagan Christ I

Akron, OH

#28 Mar 4, 2014
-tip- wrote:
Y'all have yet to provide a legal justification for the fact that the black baker may refuse to provide services for a KKK-themed event...while the Christian baker is mandated by government to provide services for a gay-themed event.
Say, if Westboro Baptist asked a gay baker to provide services for one of their events, should the gay baker be compelled by government to do so?
Because there is no law that says he has to. The reason the gay baker has to provide services to the gay wedding is because there is a state statute that requires it.
Reality Speaks

Columbus, OH

#29 Mar 4, 2014
Pope Che Reagan Christ I wrote:
<quoted text>
Because there is no law that says he has to. The reason the gay baker has to provide services to the gay wedding is because there is a state statute that requires it.
and any moron can skit this childish law.

Counselor your laws are sillier than you, and I thought that impossible.

The state has speed limits. Look how well that works out sparky.
Duke for Mayor

Akron, OH

#30 Mar 4, 2014
-tip- wrote:
Y'all have yet to provide a legal justification for the fact that the black baker may refuse to provide services for a KKK-themed event...while the Christian baker is mandated by government to provide services for a gay-themed event.
Say, if Westboro Baptist asked a gay baker to provide services for one of their events, should the gay baker be compelled by government to do so?
"Racist" is not a protected class status.

See how easy that is?

woof
Duke for Mayor

Akron, OH

#31 Mar 4, 2014
Reality Speaks wrote:
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and any moron can skit this childish law.
And any intelligent attorney can easily prove to a jury that the moron skirting the law was simply utilizing a pretext to illegal discriminate against a member of a protected class.

woof
Big Johnson

Columbus, OH

#32 Mar 4, 2014
Reality Speaks wrote:
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I am ignoring it, and chalking it up to stupidity.
I will sell you all the cakes you can pay for.
I will sell you all the rings you can pay for.
I will rent you a facility for a reception and provide free security.
Will decorate the facility anyway you want, as long as you can pay for it.
could care less if you are green, purple, marrying a chimpanzee, or your Grandmother.
I am here to serve customers with 100% satisfaction.
Problems solved.
Anything else I can do for you sir?
I like the cut of your jib!

“HAPPY SPRING”

Since: Apr 10

BLOCKHEADS!

#33 Mar 4, 2014
-tip- wrote:
Y'all have yet to provide a legal justification for the fact that the black baker may refuse to provide services for a KKK-themed event...while the Christian baker is mandated by government to provide services for a gay-themed event.
Say, if Westboro Baptist asked a gay baker to provide services for one of their events, should the gay baker be compelled by government to do so?
The black baker is refusing service out of fear for his life. Life and death situation.History!

The baptist is there just to provoke and taunt the gay baker.....although the gay baker would probably give in and bake for the baptist. History!
Wait what

Columbus, OH

#34 Mar 4, 2014
Duke for Mayor wrote:
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And any intelligent attorney can easily prove to a jury that the moron skirting the law was simply utilizing a pretext to illegal discriminate against a member of a protected class.
woof
As a whole, then, there must not be a whole lot of intelligent attorneys since it's extremely difficult to prove (a known) discrimination of a protected class in private industry.
Duke for Mayor

Akron, OH

#35 Mar 4, 2014
Wait what wrote:
<quoted text>
As a whole, then, there must not be a whole lot of intelligent attorneys since it's extremely difficult to prove (a known) discrimination of a protected class in private industry.
Actually, it isn't that difficult, so long as the morons who are engaging in that activity leave a trail.

woof
Wait what

Columbus, OH

#36 Mar 4, 2014
Duke for Mayor wrote:
<quoted text>
Actually, it isn't that difficult, so long as the morons who are engaging in that activity leave a trail.
woof
Few smart cookies leave crumbs.
Wait what

Columbus, OH

#37 Mar 4, 2014
Duke for Mayor wrote:
<quoted text>
Actually, it isn't that difficult, so long as the morons who are engaging in that activity leave a trail.
woof
http://digitalcommons.law.lsu.edu/cgi/viewcon...
Duke for Mayor

Akron, OH

#38 Mar 4, 2014
Wait what wrote:
There is much much more to that subject than is touched upon in that article.

Here is some food for thought:

http://www.americanbarfoundation.org/uploads/...

http://www.americanbarfoundation.org/uploads/...

http://www.americanbarfoundation.org/searchre...

woof

“animis opibusque parati”

Since: Oct 12

Location hidden

#39 Mar 4, 2014
Duke for Mayor wrote:
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"Racist" is not a protected class status.
See how easy that is?
Because racism is widely held to be immoral.
And many, based on their faith, hold same-sex marriage to be immoral.

See how easy that is?

Almost 24/7 leftists sanctimoniously lecture on this...

http://www.everydaynodaysoff.com/wp-content/u...

...while simultaneously bringing to bear the full weight of government power to enforce their singular point of view.

Hypocrites.
Real Tea Party

Reynoldsburg, OH

#40 Mar 4, 2014
-tip- wrote:
The following two articles are closely related and worth a read...
if you cherish your Constitutional rights.
http://tinyurl.com/k2kyynp
"Gay Wedding Cakes, Religious Freedom and the Return of Slavery in America"
via Flopping Aces
The most common definition of a slave is: A person who is the property of and wholly subject to another. There is another definition however: A person entirely under the domination of some influence or person. Slavery has been outlawed in the US for 150 years, but some people want to bring it back… but not necessarily in the form you might think. Uncle Sam of course is not a master and citizens are not his slaves. The government – at least not the government defined in the Constitution – doesn’t have the right to tell Americans who they have to work for or who their businesses have to serve.
It can however, at least according to the Civil Rights Act of 1964, demand that businesses that offer to provide services to the public not discriminate based on race, color, religion, sex, or national origin. That means however that if you are offering to sell cakes, you must not decide that you will sell cakes to men and not women, to Jews but not Christians, to blacks but not whites, or to a native born American but not a naturalized citizen born in Canada.
Interestingly, other than religion all of the limitations are innate, things that people are born with or had from birth. That prohibition also applies to the later characteristics defined by the Americans with Disabilities Act. The CRA says what a business can’t do, it can’t discriminate based on a clear set of criteria… but it says nothing about what they must do. A black chef can’t legally refuse to provide service to someone who walks in simply because he’s white. He can however choose not to provide service to him when the man tells him that the event is a celebration of KKK history. That’s discrimination, but it’s legal discrimination and its well within the chef’s rights.
The CRA lists specific criteria upon which a business is not allowed to discriminate: race, color, religion, sex, or national origin. But that’s it. Other than those reasons any business can choose who they would like to serve. A 7-11 store is well within its rights to say “No Shirt, No Shoes, No Service”. By the same token a gun store can choose not to sell a gun to a drunk person and business can choose not to hire people with tattoos. A community can limit its inhabitants to those over 55 or a storekeeper with a Napoleon complex can choose to never serve customers over 6 ft. These restrictions may or may not be prudent, but none of them are illegal as businesses have the right to choose to whom they provide services within the framework of the CRA, the ADA and the Equal Protection Clause upon which both are based.
Which brings us to the issue of bakers and photographers and others. The question is, working under the shadow of the Equal Protection Clause, do such businesses have the right to refuse to provide services for a gay wedding, something their faith tells them is a sin? Absolutely. Do they have the right to refuse to provide services for a gay wedding? Absolutely. Should they be protected from lawsuits for doing so? Of course.
Did you really just type 30,000 words of garbage? That's impressive but I guess I had no life or in jail I would have all the time to write some imaginary sh1t up just to kill the time.

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