George Zimmerman--the ultimate victim?
Enzyte Bob

Columbus, OH

#410 Jan 5, 2013
Not George Zimmerman wrote:
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The KKK didn't lynch those victims. That organization didn't exist between 1870-1915. Only prior, and then a totally different organization with the same name from 1915-1946.
I don't really give a crap about who lynched who and when. The main point I was trying to make is that when vigilante groups arise, it's not like there is completely no reason for them.

The most recent example is Yugoslavia ... when things were going well, people tolerated each other. When things got tight, the grievances that had been festering for a couple of generations came out and there were scores to settle.

The point I am trying to make is that the salient details are hidden from us.

It is only because of the internet that I discovered the true Genesis of how the KKK came about, about the carpetbaggers being of Jewish origin, and about the Palestinian Christians supporting the Palestinian cause.

The common meme is that white people are inherently evil and they banded together because they are ignorant racists and they went after certain groups just for the hell of it.

The reality is that they had a reason for doing what they did.

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Likewise, the common meme about the Palestinians is that they are Muslims and that Muslims are inherently evil and the Jews are on the same team as the Christians.

The reality is that even if Muslim and Christian relations are often frayed, the Christians consider themselves as being on the same side as the Muslims.

These are the realities that everybody seems to want to whitewash.

“Ludibrium est onus genio”

Since: Dec 11

Planet Earth

#411 Jan 5, 2013
Enzyte Bob wrote:
Noticing that over 50% of all violent crime is committed by blacks (12% of the population)
And since most blacks are Democrats...

“Ludibrium est onus genio”

Since: Dec 11

Planet Earth

#412 Jan 5, 2013
Enzyte Bob wrote:
The point I am trying to make is that the salient details are hidden from us.
Another thing is that the rules of evidence weren't quite what they are today, and that judging "then" by the standards of "today" is no better than Monday morning quarterbacking.
Enzyte Bob

Columbus, OH

#413 Jan 5, 2013
TonyD2 wrote:
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Another thing is that the rules of evidence weren't quite what they are today, and that judging "then" by the standards of "today" is no better than Monday morning quarterbacking.
That is true across the board, not just the rules of evidence. For example, I was at Target today and the girl at the cash register got very flustered when a kid fell off a bicycle and slammed to the floor and cried. I laughed that when I was a kid, if I tried to ride a bike in the store, I would have been crying allright, just because my parents would have pinched me or something to that effect. She didn't get my amusement.
Enzyte Bob

Columbus, OH

#414 Jan 5, 2013
TonyD2 wrote:
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Another thing is that the rules of evidence weren't quite what they are today, and that judging "then" by the standards of "today" is no better than Monday morning quarterbacking.
The other thing I was thinking about is that people led simple lives in those days. They didn't go to a lot of places, not a lot of variety in most people's lives. They just lived. Things didn't have to be very complicated ... if they thought someone was guilty of something, they probably were.
WiseAmerican

Columbus, OH

#415 Jan 6, 2013
Enzyte Bob wrote:
<quoted text>
I don't really give a crap about who lynched who and when. The main point I was trying to make is that when vigilante groups arise, it's not like there is completely no reason for them.
The most recent example is Yugoslavia ... when things were going well, people tolerated each other. When things got tight, the grievances that had been festering for a couple of generations came out and there were scores to settle.
The point I am trying to make is that the salient details are hidden from us.
It is only because of the internet that I discovered the true Genesis of how the KKK came about, about the carpetbaggers being of Jewish origin, and about the Palestinian Christians supporting the Palestinian cause.
The common meme is that white people are inherently evil and they banded together because they are ignorant racists and they went after certain groups just for the hell of it.
The reality is that they had a reason for doing what they did.
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Likewise, the common meme about the Palestinians is that they are Muslims and that Muslims are inherently evil and the Jews are on the same team as the Christians.
The reality is that even if Muslim and Christian relations are often frayed, the Christians consider themselves as being on the same side as the Muslims.
These are the realities that everybody seems to want to whitewash.
Nat Turner didn't just go farm to farm killing white folks, he must've had a reason for it, huh Bob!
WiseAmerican

Columbus, OH

#416 Jan 6, 2013
Enzyte Bob wrote:
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The other thing I was thinking about is that people led simple lives in those days. They didn't go to a lot of places, not a lot of variety in most people's lives. They just lived. Things didn't have to be very complicated ... if they thought someone was guilty of something, they probably were.
Yeah Bob, I guess all those innocent blacks who were not only lynched but sexually mutilated were 'guilty' of wanting to be free from horrible slavery! You see, it's your mindstate that's the problem with people like you. You can justify and rationalize an evil and injustice that occurs to a black person, but when that same black retaliates against his oppressor, you scream foul. Call him every racist term you can think of. Well, the 'Good Book' as your sadistic white Klans men heroes calls it says this:

4 Then I heard another voice from heaven saying,

“Come out of her, my people,
lest you take part in her sins,
lest you share in her plagues;
5 for her sins are heaped high as heaven,
and God has remembered her iniquities.
6 Pay her back as she herself has paid back others,
and repay her double for her deeds;
mix a double portion for her in the cup she mixed.
7 As she glorified herself and lived in luxury,
so give her a like measure of torment and mourning,

There will be retribution Bob. Those that have done evil to innocent children, women, and men will face punishment in this life, and judgement in the next. There will be a war on earth, but like Yashua said,

New Living Translation (©2007)
And note this: Some who seem least important now will be the greatest then, and some who are the greatest now will be least important then."
Duke for Mayor

Akron, OH

#417 Jan 6, 2013
Enzyte Bob wrote:
<quoted text> if they thought someone was guilty of something, they probably were.
Thanks for the concise explanation of the popularity of lynching, counselor.

Ever read much about the Innocence Project?

woof
Che Reagan Christ

Lodi, OH

#418 Jan 6, 2013
TonyD2 wrote:
<quoted text>
Another thing is that the rules of evidence weren't quite what they are today, and that judging "then" by the standards of "today" is no better than Monday morning quarterbacking.
Rules of evidence?
Che Reagan Christ

Lodi, OH

#419 Jan 6, 2013
Enzyte Bob wrote:
<quoted text>
The other thing I was thinking about is that people led simple lives in those days. They didn't go to a lot of places, not a lot of variety in most people's lives. They just lived. Things didn't have to be very complicated ... if they thought someone was guilty of something, they probably were.
Meaning they had an excuse? What's yours?

“Ludibrium est onus genio”

Since: Dec 11

Planet Earth

#420 Jan 6, 2013
WiseAmerican wrote:
<quoted text> Yeah Bob, I guess all those innocent blacks who were not only lynched but sexually mutilated were 'guilty' of wanting to be free from horrible slavery!
You don't "know" that they were innocent. And sexual mutilation was a pretty common punishment for rape until rather recently.

“Ludibrium est onus genio”

Since: Dec 11

Planet Earth

#421 Jan 6, 2013
Duke for Mayor wrote:
<quoted text>
Thanks for the concise explanation of the popularity of lynching, counselor.
Ever read much about the Innocence Project?
woof
You're applying today's standards to yesterday's crimes.

You might also find something interesting in the history of lynching... I found these little tidbits...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lynching

"Violence in the United States against African Americans, especially in the South, rose in the aftermath of the Civil War, after slavery had been abolished and recently freed black men were given the right to vote. Violence rose even more at the end of the 19th century, after southern white Democrats regained their political power in the South in the 1870s."

and

"Tuskegee Institute records of lynchings between the years 1880 and 1951 show 3,437 African-American victims, as well as 1,293 white victims. Lynchings were concentrated in the Cotton Belt:(Mississippi, Georgia, Alabama, Texas and Louisiana)."

Interesting, no?
Che Reagan Christ

Lodi, OH

#422 Jan 6, 2013
TonyD2 wrote:
<quoted text>
You don't "know" that they were innocent. And sexual mutilation was a pretty common punishment for rape until rather recently.
You rightwing lunatics have stooped so low that you are now defending lynching. Unbelievable.

“Ludibrium est onus genio”

Since: Dec 11

Planet Earth

#423 Jan 6, 2013
Che Reagan Christ wrote:
<quoted text>
Rules of evidence?
It was not uncommon to find someone guilty only on the word of another.
Che Reagan Christ

Lodi, OH

#424 Jan 6, 2013
TonyD2 wrote:
<quoted text>
It was not uncommon to find someone guilty only on the word of another.
Still happens today all the time.
Duke for Mayor

Akron, OH

#425 Jan 6, 2013
TonyD2 wrote:
<quoted text>
You're applying today's standards to yesterday's crimes.
You might also find something interesting in the history of lynching... I found these little tidbits...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lynching
"Violence in the United States against African Americans, especially in the South, rose in the aftermath of the Civil War, after slavery had been abolished and recently freed black men were given the right to vote. Violence rose even more at the end of the 19th century, after southern white Democrats regained their political power in the South in the 1870s."
and
"Tuskegee Institute records of lynchings between the years 1880 and 1951 show 3,437 African-American victims, as well as 1,293 white victims. Lynchings were concentrated in the Cotton Belt:(Mississippi, Georgia, Alabama, Texas and Louisiana)."
Interesting, no?
The standards of "guilt" haven't changed in over 200 years. The technology available to disprove it has.

woof
Duke for Mayor

Akron, OH

#426 Jan 6, 2013
Che Reagan Christ wrote:
<quoted text>
Still happens today all the time.
Sure does. Numerous times daily. Even when there's credible evidence that the "guilty" party was hundreds of miles away from the scene of the crime at the time it occurred.

woof

“Ludibrium est onus genio”

Since: Dec 11

Planet Earth

#427 Jan 6, 2013
Duke for Mayor wrote:
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Sure does. Numerous times daily. Even when there's credible evidence that the "guilty" party was hundreds of miles away from the scene of the crime at the time it occurred.
woof
Agreed that's a big problem... Some estimate as many as 20% of convicts are factually innocent. It's the only reason I am against the death penalty... there is no "oops, sorry, we'll fix it" from death.
ation

Voorhees, NJ

#428 Jan 9, 2013
george zimmermans not dead.. he's just bored in jail.. it wasn't death penalty..

he'd be happy if he could learn to be gay..
ation

Voorhees, NJ

#429 Jan 9, 2013
he should be kept in jail. but he should get like.. free stuff.. he needs to stay in there just in case he's like hitler or something..

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