George Zimmerman--the ultimate victim?
Enzyte Bob

Columbus, OH

#383 Jan 5, 2013
http://www.myjewishlearning.com/history/Moder...

The America that Jewish immigrants from Central Europe encountered [in the 19th century] when they disembarked in coastal port cities was in the throes of economic change. What had been, outside of a few port cities, a largely subsistence economy--consisting of small farms and tiny workshops that satisfied local needs through barter and exchange--gave way during the first half of the 19th century to a market-driven economy in which farmers and manu­facturers produced food and goods that they shipped for cash to sometimes distant places.

Canals, turnpikes, and later railroad tracks linked far-separated points of the country, producing a vast national transportation network along which goods and commodities flowed.

Foot Soldiers
The result was what historians call a market revolution. Entrepreneurial values coupled with new economic and cultural resources enabled people "to make choices on a scale previously unparalleled: choices of goods to consume, choices of occupations to follow educational choices, choices of lifestyles and identities." As we shall see, the market revolution also profoundly shaped the lives of America's growing community of Jews. They too now made choices on a scale previously un­paralleled, ones that affected their patterns of settlement, their occupational preferences, their values and attitudes, and the practices of their faith.

Peddlers were the foot soldiers of this far-reaching revolution. They were the proverbial middlemen who purchased goods (usually on credit) from producers and set forth to transport and market them to far-flung con­sumers, residents of America's rapidly expanding frontier. Peddling was a difficult and tiring occupation, but it required very little capital and prom­ised substantial returns.

As the desire for goods rose among those who once found most of what they needed close to home but now pined for luxuries from faraway places, young, vigorous, success-minded immigrants rushed in to meet the burgeoning demand. Many of these immigrants--indeed, most of the 16,000 peddlers listed by the 1860 census-taker, ac­cording to one source--were Jews.

Peddling, of course, long predated the 19th century. The "Yankee peddler" was a familiar figure in 18th-century America, and Jewish peddlers roamed around Europe as early as the Middle Ages. For immigrants to America in the 19th century, however, peddling was less a career than a starting point; it served as the standard business apprenticeship for able-bodied young male Jews (Jewish women almost never engaged in ped­dling) looking to ascend the economic ladder to success.

Coming to Amer­ica in their late teens or early 20s, these young men spent one to five years selling notions, dry goods, secondhand clothing, cheap jewelry, and similar products as they learned English and accumulated capital. Then they moved on to something better. Some succeeded handsomely: Most of the great Jewish department store magnates began their lives as peddlers. and so did a large number of other Jewish businessmen.
Enzyte Bob

Columbus, OH

#386 Jan 5, 2013
IOW - the KKK chose the Jews as a target for the same reason everybody else has throughout history!!!

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#387 Jan 5, 2013
Enzyte Bob wrote:
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Crime, bastardy, money grubbing, crooked business practices, communist infiltration for starters ...
Jews were organizing the communist party during the Southern reconstruction?

Bastardy has little to no meaning in a population barred pretty much legally from the institution of marriage and forced into breeding.

Where is the evidence, Bob? What crimes? and we are specifically discussing the formation of the Klan--not things that happened a decade later.

The reality is that Southern gentry had built a society based on the ownership of slave labor. Further, they bet the bank on being able to secede from the union in order to continue this. They lost, with the Emancipation Proclamation providing the final economic blow. In turning a black population from property into people, Southern Plantation owners faced significant economic loss on top of what had already gone into the war effort. This left them economically powerless, and there were capitalists aplenty willing and ready to enter in. Some wished to rebuild the South in a new image and others just wanted to make a fortune.

The Klan served to establish a reign of terror aimed at regaining a position of political and economic power for the former gentry--and probably some poor whites who came along for the ride.

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#388 Jan 5, 2013
Sorry--that should have been things that happened a century later.
Duke for Mayor

Akron, OH

#390 Jan 5, 2013
Karl Monday wrote:
<quoted text>
There was no KKK for most of the last half of the 19th century.
It existed from 1865-1871
It's second incarnation didn't happen until the 1910s.
Lynchings were the products of mob violence during most of that period.
That's a rather simplistic version of history, that ignores the fact that blacks were being lynched throughout the late 1800's in the southern US. I don't think they were suicides.

http://www.history.com/topics/ku-klux-klan

http://memory.loc.gov/ammem/aap/timelin2.html

http://www.occidentaldissent.com/american-rac...

http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/USAlynch...

woof
Duke for Mayor

Akron, OH

#391 Jan 5, 2013
Karl Monday wrote:
<quoted text>
The last Confederate general to surrender, was a Cherokee...
I don't think many would say that resistance by the "natives" was unjustified, but they were on the "losing side". When you back the losing horse, that's what happens.
I understand that Karl. I don't agree with it, but I understand it.

My point is that folks like Bob seem to think that a combination of pale, white skin and European ancestry magically convey an entitlement to justifiable, murderous revenge unavailable to any other people placed in similar circumstances.

woof

“Don't trust the internet!”

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Location hidden

#392 Jan 5, 2013
Enzyte Bob wrote:
IOW - the KKK chose the Jews as a target for the same reason everybody else has throughout history!!!
Because hatred of peddlars is innate in the human condition?
Duke for Mayor

Akron, OH

#393 Jan 5, 2013
Hugh Victor Thompson III wrote:
<quoted text>Don't burden Dukie with facts. He's a "lawyer."
Why don't you look up exactly why the KKK was disbanded as an organization in 1871?

Prohibition made it illegal to import alcohol across Lake Erie from Ontario early in the 20th century. Do you think that means the practice immediately ceased as soon as the bill was signed?

Ask one of the Heinemans up in Ottawa County that question.

woof

Hugh Victor Thompson III

“Larchmont's Leading Citizen”

Since: Dec 12

Hilliard, OH

#394 Jan 5, 2013
FKA Reader wrote:
<quoted text>
Because hatred of peddlars is innate in the human condition?
You don't think the Fuller Brush man disappeared because nobody uses brushes anymore, do you?
Enzyte Bob

Columbus, OH

#395 Jan 5, 2013
SARAH HOYT: Shock Therapy.“In our current day and age, common sense can be almost startlingly subversive.... World War I was terrible, and for many reasons, including the prevalence of pictures and news, the fratricide/civil-war quality of it, the massive number of casualties. It shocked an entire generation into … writing an awful lot about it, and into trying to tear down the pillars of civilization, believing that Western Civilization (and not human nature, itself) was what had brought about the carnage and the waste. Do I need to tell you they were wrong?”

http://accordingtohoyt.com/2013/01/05/shock-t...
Duke for Mayor

Akron, OH

#398 Jan 5, 2013
Karl Monday wrote:
<quoted text>
There were many whites lynched as well, and there were lynchings outside of the South.
I wasn't ignoring that there were lynchings, but you claimed that it was the "KKK" which did not exist for most of the time period you described.
The organization was driven into submission and legislated out of existence by the federal government. The members weren't.

woof
Duke for Mayor

Akron, OH

#399 Jan 5, 2013
Karl Monday wrote:
<quoted text>
Some people would rather not be on the losing side....
I agree.

Bob is one of them.

woof
Duke for Mayor

Akron, OH

#400 Jan 5, 2013
FKA Reader wrote:
<quoted text>
Jews were organizing the communist party during the Southern reconstruction?
Bastardy has little to no meaning in a population barred pretty much legally from the institution of marriage and forced into breeding.
Where is the evidence, Bob? What crimes? and we are specifically discussing the formation of the Klan--not things that happened a decade later.
The reality is that Southern gentry had built a society based on the ownership of slave labor. Further, they bet the bank on being able to secede from the union in order to continue this. They lost, with the Emancipation Proclamation providing the final economic blow. In turning a black population from property into people, Southern Plantation owners faced significant economic loss on top of what had already gone into the war effort. This left them economically powerless, and there were capitalists aplenty willing and ready to enter in. Some wished to rebuild the South in a new image and others just wanted to make a fortune.
The Klan served to establish a reign of terror aimed at regaining a position of political and economic power for the former gentry--and probably some poor whites who came along for the ride.
Yep.

woof
Che Reagan Christ

Medina, OH

#401 Jan 5, 2013
Enzyte Bob wrote:
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Crime, bastardy, money grubbing, crooked business practices, communist infiltration for starters ...
All of this coming from a filthy gypsy.
Che Reagan Christ

Medina, OH

#402 Jan 5, 2013
Hugh Victor Thompson III wrote:
<quoted text>You don't think the Fuller Brush man disappeared because nobody uses brushes anymore, do you?
Oh for Pete's sake. I imagine that hatred is why there is no milkman or iceman anymore either.

Hugh Victor Thompson III

“Larchmont's Leading Citizen”

Since: Dec 12

Hilliard, OH

#403 Jan 5, 2013
Che Reagan Christ wrote:
<quoted text>
Oh for Pete's sake. I imagine that hatred is why there is no milkman or iceman anymore either.
It was a joke. Nothing more.

Hugh Victor Thompson III

“Larchmont's Leading Citizen”

Since: Dec 12

Hilliard, OH

#405 Jan 5, 2013
Meatpile for Yer Pieholes wrote:
<quoted text>
2029 posts and nothing of substance said.
Except for your brilliant election predictions.......
And my exposé of NE Ohio lawyers worthy of disbarment.
Duke for Mayor

Akron, OH

#406 Jan 5, 2013
Hugh Victor Thompson III wrote:
<quoted text>And my exposé of NE Ohio lawyers worthy of disbarment.
http://www.sconet.state.oh.us/DisciplinarySys...

woof

Hugh Victor Thompson III

“Larchmont's Leading Citizen”

Since: Dec 12

Hilliard, OH

#407 Jan 5, 2013
Duke for Mayor wrote:
Your name, please...
Not George Zimmerman

Mechanicsville, VA

#409 Jan 5, 2013
Duke for Mayor wrote:
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Your "facts" are ALWAYS, conveniently one sided, Bob.
Tell me why the KKK lynched and terrorized black people in the last half of the 19th century Bob?
woof
The KKK didn't lynch those victims. That organization didn't exist between 1870-1915. Only prior, and then a totally different organization with the same name from 1915-1946.

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