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#355 Jan 5, 2013
Karl Monday wrote:
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At the end of the Civil War, there was no "law and order", there was "martial law" because the South was under military occupation.
Like Iraq in 2003, it's no surprise that the disenfranchised (Confederate veterans after 1865, the old Iraqi Army in 2003) did what they did. If you remember the looting that went on in Iraq in 2003, the South at the end of the Civil War was like that.
So--disenfranchisement leads logically to extra-legal systems bent on violence, eh? Think carefully about what you say and consider the long history of disenfranchisement of various groups and the means (legal and extra-legal) by which that has been carried out.

Further, consider that for decades nigh onto a century following the Civil War, there was little to no justice through the legal system for black citizens. And the refusal of law enforcement and the justice system to pursue lynch mobs and the KKK stand as the prime example.

Now then, returning to Bob's obsession--where is the evidence of carpet-baggers (in Bob's claim primarily Jewish) travelling south to engage in theft and the like?
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#356 Jan 5, 2013
Duke for Mayor wrote:
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They banded together to terrorize and murder people who they felt were responsible for their fall from their roost, from which they legally subordinated other human beings to do their bidding.
Now which came first, really Bob?
Are you suggesting that the groups we're discussing were originally standing in positions of equitable bargaining power in the decades before the Emancipation Proclamation?
You're not really that foolish, are you?
woof
BS.

Southerners didn't just band together to run Jews out of the south. They banded together because of the lawlessness and because the robber barons of the day were allowed to run amok.

Noticing that over 50% of all violent crime is committed by blacks (12% of the population) and doing something about it is no more "racist" than my noticing the Jews in our cultural woodpile.

You simply cannot refute what I say because it is factual.

This has nothign to do with leftist "facts" that conveniently change depending on the narrative that is being advanced.
Enzyte Bob

Columbus, OH

#357 Jan 5, 2013
Duke for Mayor wrote:
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The one common denominator is your unbridled bigotry.
woof
You can bleat "racism" as much as you want, but you still can't overcome the facts. And the facts are that what I say is correct.

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#358 Jan 5, 2013
Karl Monday wrote:
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They were the logical outcome of the Versailles treaty and the subsequent economic collapse.
"Good reason" differs by who is saying it, the Communists thought they did as well.
That said, Bob will go for anything if it is Anti-Semitic
There is some truth to what your say. This is why the good-guy-bad-guy theory of fighting guns with more guns is so fallacious. The bad guys always see cause on their side.

The Versailles treaty helped to create the conditions (economic collapse) that could raise up a Hitler. He relied heavily on the identification of scapegoat groups internally that he could blame and attack. Started with the trade unions, then Jewish businesspeople, or Jews in general. Gays. Gypseys.

A lot to be learned from Germany's errors.
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Columbus, OH

#359 Jan 5, 2013
FKA Reader wrote:
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The Versailles treaty helped to create the conditions (economic collapse) that could raise up a Hitler. He relied heavily on the identification of scapegoat groups internally that he could blame and attack. Started with the trade unions, then Jewish businesspeople, or Jews in general. Gays. Gypseys.
Yet you still only place blame on only one side of the equation. Europeans had some longstanding grievances with the Jews that were allowed to fester. They are well known throughout Europe for the same carpetbagger tactics that our own archives so vividly illustrate.

The only thing the Versailles treaty did was become the straw that broke the camel's back.

I told the story before of my cousin dropping a hamburger from his table in a cafe in Europe ... and a gypsy runs by and steals it before he could even get to it (not that he would have wanted it).

Basically it boils down to the same thing we see here - blame whitey. But you never attack or criticize the behaviors that gave rise to whitey's response.

It's time to be honest about these things ... sometimes whitey is justified.

Hugh Victor Thompson III

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#360 Jan 5, 2013
FKA Reader wrote:
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There is some truth to what your say. This is why the good-guy-bad-guy theory of fighting guns with more guns is so fallacious. The bad guys always see cause on their side.
The Versailles treaty helped to create the conditions (economic collapse) that could raise up a Hitler. He relied heavily on the identification of scapegoat groups internally that he could blame and attack. Started with the trade unions, then Jewish businesspeople, or Jews in general. Gays. Gypseys.
A lot to be learned from Germany's errors.
A shame Obama never studied German history. Or perhaps he did...Catholics, anti-abortion groups, small business owners, gun owners, "the rich," veterans...all being scapegoated with the help of a compliant, if not de facto, state controlled MSM.
Enzyte Bob

Columbus, OH

#361 Jan 5, 2013
Hugh Victor Thompson III wrote:
<quoted text>A shame Obama never studied German history. Or perhaps he did...Catholics, anti-abortion groups, small business owners, gun owners, "the rich," veterans...all being scapegoated with the help of a compliant, if not de facto, state controlled MSM.
We can all agree that incinerating six million people isn't exactly, to paraphrase Barry, optimal.

But what the left always chooses to ignore is the behavior that triggers these reactions.

The left wants to whitewash bad behavior with terms such as "racist" and then blame whitey when he decides to do something when that behavior gets out of hand.

You can't focus on one side of the equation, the whitey is a racist side, without focusing on the behaviors that precipitated whitey's reaction.
Enzyte Bob

Columbus, OH

#362 Jan 5, 2013
FKA Reader wrote:
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This is why the good-guy-bad-guy theory of fighting guns with more guns is so fallacious.
This is also why blaming whitey for all of society's ills is also fallacious.

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#363 Jan 5, 2013
Enzyte Bob wrote:
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BS.
Southerners didn't just band together to run Jews out of the south. They banded together because of the lawlessness and because the robber barons of the day were allowed to run amok.
Noticing that over 50% of all violent crime is committed by blacks (12% of the population) and doing something about it is no more "racist" than my noticing the Jews in our cultural woodpile.
You simply cannot refute what I say because it is factual.
This has nothign to do with leftist "facts" that conveniently change depending on the narrative that is being advanced.
By "running amok," I presume you mean taking advantage of the complete restructuring of the economic system to do things like buy cheaply and sell at a profit. And with the lack of established authorities this was hugely possible, and likely assisted through such efforts as banding together with newly enfranchised blacks to elect possibly corrupt officials to bend advantage (in the form of property taxes and the like) their way.

Lynchings hardly seem to be the logical conclusion.

However, tossing in the great fears of retribution from large numbers of blacks who could no longer (legally) be compelled through beatings, being sold "down river" and the like--and many of whom faced great poverty themselves--yes, there is a certain internal logic to the formation of the Klan.

However, none of the above can excuse their reign of terror, nor its continuation long after a reinstatement of economic stability. The Klan operated, most often with the complicity of local law enforcement, to guarantee a place of privilege to whites--far beyond even what was guaranteed by Jim Crow laws.

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#364 Jan 5, 2013
Enzyte Bob wrote:
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Yet you still only place blame on only one side of the equation. Europeans had some longstanding grievances with the Jews that were allowed to fester. They are well known throughout Europe for the same carpetbagger tactics that our own archives so vividly illustrate.
The only thing the Versailles treaty did was become the straw that broke the camel's back.
I told the story before of my cousin dropping a hamburger from his table in a cafe in Europe ... and a gypsy runs by and steals it before he could even get to it (not that he would have wanted it).
Basically it boils down to the same thing we see here - blame whitey. But you never attack or criticize the behaviors that gave rise to whitey's response.
It's time to be honest about these things ... sometimes whitey is justified.
What exactly are the behaviors committed by Jews that you hold to be causal?

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#365 Jan 5, 2013
Enzyte Bob wrote:
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We can all agree that incinerating six million people isn't exactly, to paraphrase Barry, optimal.
But what the left always chooses to ignore is the behavior that triggers these reactions.
The left wants to whitewash bad behavior with terms such as "racist" and then blame whitey when he decides to do something when that behavior gets out of hand.
You can't focus on one side of the equation, the whitey is a racist side, without focusing on the behaviors that precipitated whitey's reaction.
Again, Bob, what is the behavior?
Duke for Mayor

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#366 Jan 5, 2013
Enzyte Bob wrote:
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You can bleat "racism" as much as you want, but you still can't overcome the facts. And the facts are that what I say is correct.
Your "facts" are ALWAYS, conveniently one sided, Bob.

Tell me why the KKK lynched and terrorized black people in the last half of the 19th century Bob?

woof
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#370 Jan 5, 2013
FKA Reader wrote:
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Again, Bob, what is the behavior?
Crime, bastardy, money grubbing, crooked business practices, communist infiltration for starters ...
Enzyte Bob

Columbus, OH

#371 Jan 5, 2013
Karl Monday wrote:
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Earn like Episcopalians, vote like Puerto Ricans???
Correction: Earn like Episcopalians, but through theft and crooked business practices like the Puerto Ricans!!!
Enzyte Bob

Columbus, OH

#374 Jan 5, 2013
Karl Monday wrote:
By and large, the governments of that era were incredibly corrupt. That's where the "carpetbagger" term comes from, where Bob gets the fixation that the carpetbaggers were all Jews, I have no clue.
Google is such a valuable tool. I suggest you learn how to use it one day.

https://www.google.com/search...
Duke for Mayor

Akron, OH

#376 Jan 5, 2013
What I always love about people like Bob:

They're very quick to justify the disastrous genocidal effects of Anglo colonization upon the indigenous tribes of North America as being merely an unfortunate incident of the process. There's no need for unnecessary outrage...everyone stay calm. They were merely uncivilized savages with no understanding of advanced culture or land ownership anyway.

But when white Southerners who had only been living on the continent for a small portion of the time the tribes and their ancestors had been, comparatively, end up on the downhill side of heartbreak hill in the 1860's, unmitigated, reactionary violence against Freedmen and Jews is merely justifiable, excepted retribution for mistreatment of Southern whites during and immediately after their defeat.

Bob. Can you say "double standard"?

woof

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#377 Jan 5, 2013
Karl Monday wrote:
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There was no KKK for most of the last half of the 19th century.
It existed from 1865-1871
It's second incarnation didn't happen until the 1910s.
Lynchings were the products of mob violence during most of that period.
Don't burden Dukie with facts. He's a "lawyer."

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#378 Jan 5, 2013
Some bits on carpetbaggers from wiki:

Reforming impulse

Beginning in 1862 Northern abolitionists moved to areas in the South that had fallen under Union control.[citation needed] Schoolteachers and religious missionaries arrived in the South, some sponsored by northern churches. Some were abolitionists who sought to continue the struggle for racial equality; they often became agents of the federal Freedmen's Bureau, which started operations in 1865 to assist the vast numbers of recently emancipated slaves. The bureau established schools in rural areas of the South for the purpose of educating the mostly illiterate black population. Other Northerners who moved to the South participated in rebuilding railroads that had been previously destroyed during the war.[2][3]

During the time blacks were enslaved, they were prohibited from education and attaining literacy. Southern states had no public school systems, and white southerners sent their children to private schools or else employed private tutors. After the war, hundreds of northern white women moved South; many to teach newly freed African-American children.[4] While some northerners went south with reformist impulses, many others went South merely to exploit the chaotic situation for personal gain.

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#379 Jan 5, 2013
More from wiki:

Economic motives

Many carpetbaggers were businessmen who purchased or leased plantations and became wealthy landowners, hiring freedmen to do the labor. Most were former Union soldiers eager to invest their savings in this promising new frontier, and civilians lured south by press reports of "the fabulous sums of money to be made in the South in raising cotton." Foner notes that "joined with the quest for profit, however, was a reforming spirit, a vision of themselves as agents of sectional reconciliation and the South's "economic regeneration." Accustomed to viewing Southerners—black and white—as devoid of economic initiative and self-discipline, they believed that only "Northern capital and energy" could bring "the blessings of a free labor system to the region."[6]

Carpetbaggers tended to be well educated and middle class in origin. Some had been lawyers, businessmen, newspaper editors, Union Army members and other pillars of Northern communities. The majority (including 52 of the 60 who served in Congress during Reconstruction) were veterans of the Union Army.[7]

Leading "black carpetbaggers" believed the interests of capital and labor identical, and the freedmen entitled to little more than an "honest chance in the race of life."[8]

Many Northern and Southern Republicans shared a modernizing vision of upgrading the Southern economy and society, one that would replace the inefficient Southern plantation regime with railroads, factories and more efficient farming. They actively promoted public schooling and created numerous colleges and universities. The Northerners were especially successful in taking control of Southern railroads, aided by state legislatures. In 1870 Northerners controlled 21% of the South's railroads (by mileage); 19% of the directors were from the North. By 1890 they controlled 88% of the mileage; 47% of the directors were from the North.[9]

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#381 Jan 5, 2013
Again, from wiki, and pointing to the role of organized aggression to relaim the political power of Southern whites:

Mississippi

Union General Adelbert Ames, a native of Massachusetts, was appointed military governor and later was elected as Republican governor of Mississippi during the Reconstruction era. Ames tried unsuccessfully to ensure equal rights for black Mississippians. His political battles with the Southerners and African Americans ripped apart his party.[10]

The "Black and Tan" (biracial) constitutional convention in Mississippi in 1868 included 29 white Southerners, 17 Southern freedmen and 24 nonsoutherners, nearly all of whom were veterans of the Union Army. They included four men who had lived in the South before the war, two of whom had served in the Confederate States Army. Among the more prominent were Gen. Beroth B. Eggleston, a native of New York; Col. A. T. Morgan, of the Second Wisconsin Volunteers; Gen. W. S. Barry, former commander of a Colored regiment raised in Kentucky; an Illinois general and lawyer who graduated from Knox College; Maj. W. H. Gibbs, of the Fifteenth Illinois infantry; Judge W. B. Cunningham, of Pennsylvania; and Cap. E. J. Castello, of the Seventh Missouri infantry. They were among the founders of the Republican party in Mississippi.

They were prominent in the politics of the state until 1875, but nearly all left Mississippi in 1875 to 1876 under pressure from the Red Shirts and White Liners. These white paramilitary organizations, described as "the military arm of the Democratic Party", worked openly to violently overthrow Republican rule, using intimidation and assassination to turn Republicans out of office and suppress freedmen's voting.[11][12][13]

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