George Zimmerman--the ultimate victim?
Enzyte Bob

Columbus, OH

#309 Jan 3, 2013
Che Reagan Christ wrote:
<quoted text>
Right, counselor, that is the fact you want admitted. I understand that. What you have yet to explain, is why it is relevant.
Let's see if your little brain can follow the logic.

1. The common narrative is that the KKK was filled with a bunch of "racist" rednecks hell bent on lynching blacks and Jews. Incidentally, this is one of the few contexts in which use of the word racist is appropriate.

2. I don't buy Number 1 and never did why? Because people have busy lives. They have farms, family, crops, cattle ... who has time to run around lynching people ... UNLESS THEY HAVE A REASON?

This simply runs counter to human nature.

3. The commonly omitted fact that the carpetbaggers were Jewish and the documents distinguishing between Northern Jews and the natives leads me to believe what I say rings true.

4. The KKK also has documents which make this distinction, and there were also negro chapters of the KKK.

5. I analogize this with what goes on in the black community today. It isn't so far fetched that another vigilante group would rise up if the government abdicated its responsibilities to maintain order.

Together, this information, leads me to believe that this is just another one of those false liberal narratives, blindly accepted and never questioned.

Well, I am questioning it. It simply does not pass the smell test.

It is one thing for people to run around lynching Jews for the hell of it. It's another thing when you put this in the context of Jewish locusts from the North taking advantage of southerners.

In fact, there is no such thing as "racism" - it is a ruse. This kind of stuff is all behavior based. The blacks and the Jews exhibited bad behavior, the government wouldn't do anything about it, so the public took the law in its own hands.

When you lefties bleat on about "hate" you just try to cover up the bad behavior that precipitated the masses rising up and doing something about it.

THESE ARE THE FACTS.

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#310 Jan 3, 2013
Enzyte Bob wrote:
These letters completely changes the character of the KKK in my mind.
In other words... more liberal BS propaganda debunked.
You mean, you think they are OK because they hated Jews as well as blacks?

I think the most important reality to recognize is that there was a fair amount of chaos in the South following the war. The task of reconstruction made for wide open opportunities both commercially and politically. As the conquered, the South had enormous fears about being the recipient of Northern retribution, not to mention the payback potential of former slaves who might come into political power, become economically competitive or engage in violent paybacks (including the infamous "rape of the Southern woman" mythology).

While the common sanitizing of issues for presentation in high schools includes the notion that the north operated benevolently to free the southern slaves (my high school American history teacher was from the south--her version was different, but not necessarily better or more accurate), life is seldom that simple. While there were northern abolitionists, they did not necessarily stretch to the assumption of black equality (despite some pockets--Berea College, for example). Emancipation served a political purpose as much as anything. In short, racial prejudice abounded on both sides of the Mason-Dixon line. And this included prejudice extended to Jews (and followed by prejudice against other ethnic groups--the Irish, Germans, Chinese and so forth).

The cited examples of anti-Jewish prejudice do little to feed your case that the Klan was a benevolent organization bent on restoring order. The order that they sought to restore was one that ensured a place at the top of the heap for those formerly priviledged (before the war) in the face of great fears that their former positions would be used against them.
Reality Speaks

Columbus, OH

#311 Jan 3, 2013
FKA Reader wrote:
<quoted text>
George responded personally to something that I was saying about the Klan and people who fear a black man in the White House.
My response was quite appropriate.
the color of a person has ZERO to do with who the person is.

Their actions paint the picture of whom they are.

That goes for everybody.
Reality Speaks

Columbus, OH

#312 Jan 3, 2013
Duke for Mayor wrote:
<quoted text>
Harumph Harumph Harumph.
Harumph.
woof
constipated?

try 2 cups of coffee.

“Don't trust the internet!”

Since: Jan 12

Location hidden

#313 Jan 3, 2013
By the way, in support of my belief that the Klan served to keep the n's down (Randy Newman song--Rednecks) economically, I offer not only the Jim Crow laws (which not only separated blacks, they also created a second class status for them), but also a number of attacks on black middle class communities. Rosewind, Florida is one and there were apparently a good many more--mostly unrecorded as the local law enforcement turned a blind eye to the complete and utter destruction such raids brought about.

The only threat posed by these communities was economic. They represented blacks forming successful communities, educating their children and moving up through the accumulation of capital of various kinds (property, education, etc).
Enzyte Bob

Columbus, OH

#314 Jan 3, 2013
I wasn't going to play with you guys today, but this deserves a response.
FKA Reader wrote:
<quoted text>
You mean, you think they are OK because they hated Jews as well as blacks?
No, Reader. What I am saying is that it's one thing for people to randomly group together and act as vigilantes because of their so-called "hate" and it's another thing when bad behavior, associated with a group, runs rampant and the powers that be can't or won't do something about it. You know my position on things: Which came first, the chicken or the egg? Did the bigots and racists come first, or did the bad behavior spawn them? Common sense dictates the answer.
FKA Reader wrote:
<quoted text>
I think the most important reality to recognize is that there was a fair amount of chaos in the South following the war. The task of reconstruction made for wide open opportunities both commercially and politically. As the conquered, the South had enormous fears about being the recipient of Northern retribution, not to mention the payback potential of former slaves who might come into political power, become economically competitive or engage in violent paybacks (including the infamous "rape of the Southern woman" mythology).
While the common sanitizing of issues for presentation in high schools includes the notion that the north operated benevolently to free the southern slaves (my high school American history teacher was from the south--her version was different, but not necessarily better or more accurate), life is seldom that simple. While there were northern abolitionists, they did not necessarily stretch to the assumption of black equality (despite some pockets--Berea College, for example). Emancipation served a political purpose as much as anything.
That is my point. This is like the Palestinian issue. What we have been fed misses some salient details. Once those salient details become known, it puts an entirely different spin on things.
FKA Reader wrote:
<quoted text>
In short, racial prejudice abounded on both sides of the Mason-Dixon line. And this included prejudice extended to Jews (and followed by prejudice against other ethnic groups--the Irish, Germans, Chinese and so forth).
The cited examples of anti-Jewish prejudice do little to feed your case that the Klan was a benevolent organization bent on restoring order. The order that they sought to restore was one that ensured a place at the top of the heap for those formerly priviledged (before the war) in the face of great fears that their former positions would be used against them.
I never said the klan was a benevolent organization. What I am saying is that everybody points fingers at the klan and makes them out to be a bunch of evil rednecks. This is partially true (although the klan was started by lawyerss in Tennessee), but nobody acknowledges the bad behavior of certain groups that CAME FIRST before the klan had a reason to come into being.

Yes, the klan is responsible for being a vigilante group.

What nobody ever talks about, however, is the BAD BEHAVIOR of it's targets that precipitated the klan's being.

This stuff isn't hard if you understand human nature. Except for the Lanzas of the world, very few people run around as actual racists.

Most people are garden variety bigots (such as yours truly)- and don't deny it - we are ALL bigots to some degree. They are polite to others and go about their daily business.

For solid citizens of their communities to take the drastic step of forming a vigilante group, they must have been pushed to their limits.

Think about it.
Duke for Mayor

Akron, OH

#315 Jan 3, 2013
Clearly, some lawyers have never had the opportunity to actually try a case, before a factfinder, in a courtroom.

woof

“Don't trust the internet!”

Since: Jan 12

Location hidden

#316 Jan 3, 2013
Enzyte Bob wrote:
I wasn't going to play with you guys today, but this deserves a response.
<quoted text>
No, Reader. What I am saying is that it's one thing for people to randomly group together and act as vigilantes because of their so-called "hate" and it's another thing when bad behavior, associated with a group, runs rampant and the powers that be can't or won't do something about it. You know my position on things: Which came first, the chicken or the egg? Did the bigots and racists come first, or did the bad behavior spawn them? Common sense dictates the answer.
<quoted text>
That is my point. This is like the Palestinian issue. What we have been fed misses some salient details. Once those salient details become known, it puts an entirely different spin on things.
<quoted text>
I never said the klan was a benevolent organization. What I am saying is that everybody points fingers at the klan and makes them out to be a bunch of evil rednecks. This is partially true (although the klan was started by lawyerss in Tennessee), but nobody acknowledges the bad behavior of certain groups that CAME FIRST before the klan had a reason to come into being.
Yes, the klan is responsible for being a vigilante group.
What nobody ever talks about, however, is the BAD BEHAVIOR of it's targets that precipitated the klan's being.
This stuff isn't hard if you understand human nature. Except for the Lanzas of the world, very few people run around as actual racists.
Most people are garden variety bigots (such as yours truly)- and don't deny it - we are ALL bigots to some degree. They are polite to others and go about their daily business.
For solid citizens of their communities to take the drastic step of forming a vigilante group, they must have been pushed to their limits.
Think about it.
For the record, Bob, the only BAD BEHAVIOR you have discussed is that Jewish merchants travelled South in search of opportunity.
Reality Speaks

Columbus, OH

#317 Jan 3, 2013
Duke for Mayor wrote:
Clearly, some lawyers have never had the opportunity to actually try a case, before a factfinder, in a courtroom.
woof
speaking from experience?
Enzyte Bob

Columbus, OH

#318 Jan 3, 2013
Duke for Mayor wrote:
Clearly, some lawyers have never had the opportunity to actually try a case, before a factfinder, in a courtroom.
woof
Clearly some lawyers don't have good reading comprehension skills.

As I said before and repeat here, I am not trying a case nor writing in some scientific journal. These observations are good enough for my purposes and for Topix.

More importantly, my instincts have NEVER led me wrong.

For real life, this is good enough as far as I'm concerned.

You can't or won't see what I'm saying here. It is your loss.
Enzyte Bob

Columbus, OH

#319 Jan 3, 2013
FKA Reader wrote:
<quoted text>
For the record, Bob, the only BAD BEHAVIOR you have discussed is that Jewish merchants travelled South in search of opportunity.
And this is what I am talking about when I say you people are so dogmatic about your colorblindness, that you are simply blind.

The letters say that those carpetbaggers were unbearable. Now I know you're going to put your fingers in your hears and say ... "na-na-na-na-na" ... but Jewish peddlers have a long history of behaving in this manner.

This is more than seeking opportunity. This is being a parasite.

Where do you see the mere seeking of opportunity in this passage?

==========

===

PAGE 337

QUOTE:

LA GRANGE, TENN., November 10, 1862

General WEBSTER, Jackson, Tenn,:

Give orders to all the conductors on the road that no Jews are to be permitted to travel on the railroad southward from any point. They may go north and be encouraged in it; but they are such an intolerable nuisance that the department, must be purged of them.

U. S. GRANT,

Major-General.

http://rense.com/general63/waron.htm
Che Reagan Christ

Akron, OH

#320 Jan 3, 2013
Enzyte Bob wrote:
<quoted text>
Let's see if your little brain can follow the logic.
1. The common narrative is that the KKK was filled with a bunch of "racist" rednecks hell bent on lynching blacks and Jews. Incidentally, this is one of the few contexts in which use of the word racist is appropriate.
2. I don't buy Number 1 and never did why? Because people have busy lives. They have farms, family, crops, cattle ... who has time to run around lynching people ... UNLESS THEY HAVE A REASON?
This simply runs counter to human nature.
3. The commonly omitted fact that the carpetbaggers were Jewish and the documents distinguishing between Northern Jews and the natives leads me to believe what I say rings true.
4. The KKK also has documents which make this distinction, and there were also negro chapters of the KKK.
5. I analogize this with what goes on in the black community today. It isn't so far fetched that another vigilante group would rise up if the government abdicated its responsibilities to maintain order.
Together, this information, leads me to believe that this is just another one of those false liberal narratives, blindly accepted and never questioned.
Well, I am questioning it. It simply does not pass the smell test.
It is one thing for people to run around lynching Jews for the hell of it. It's another thing when you put this in the context of Jewish locusts from the North taking advantage of southerners.
In fact, there is no such thing as "racism" - it is a ruse. This kind of stuff is all behavior based. The blacks and the Jews exhibited bad behavior, the government wouldn't do anything about it, so the public took the law in its own hands.
When you lefties bleat on about "hate" you just try to cover up the bad behavior that precipitated the masses rising up and doing something about it.
THESE ARE THE FACTS.
And the KKK hates blacks and Jewish people today because they continue to "exhibit bad behavior?"
Reality Speaks

Columbus, OH

#321 Jan 3, 2013
Che Reagan Christ wrote:
<quoted text>
And the KKK hates blacks and Jewish people today because they continue to "exhibit bad behavior?"
is there a KKK anymore?

“Don't trust the internet!”

Since: Jan 12

Location hidden

#322 Jan 3, 2013
Enzyte Bob wrote:
<quoted text>
And this is what I am talking about when I say you people are so dogmatic about your colorblindness, that you are simply blind.
The letters say that those carpetbaggers were unbearable. Now I know you're going to put your fingers in your hears and say ... "na-na-na-na-na" ... but Jewish peddlers have a long history of behaving in this manner.
This is more than seeking opportunity. This is being a parasite.
Where do you see the mere seeking of opportunity in this passage?
==========
===
PAGE 337
QUOTE:
LA GRANGE, TENN., November 10, 1862
General WEBSTER, Jackson, Tenn,:
Give orders to all the conductors on the road that no Jews are to be permitted to travel on the railroad southward from any point. They may go north and be encouraged in it; but they are such an intolerable nuisance that the department, must be purged of them.
U. S. GRANT,
Major-General.
http://rense.com/general63/waron.htm
Being "unbearable" is a behavior? Sorry. I don't see your southern heroes being motivated to organize lynchings against people that they couldn't "bear." Nor would I expect any law enforcement agency to take on the unbearableness of one's neighbors.
Enzyte Bob

Columbus, OH

#323 Jan 3, 2013
Che Reagan Christ wrote:
<quoted text>
And the KKK hates blacks and Jewish people today because they continue to "exhibit bad behavior?"
The point is that the KKK came about as a reaction to bad behavior that was left unchecked.

It is one thing to say these are a bunch of racists who hate Jews. It's another thing to say a bunch of Jewish profiteers were running amok all over the South and people banded together to do something about it.

I merely point this out because everybody scoffs when I say that the last 50 years of social disaster was largely a product of Jewish anarchists from Eastern Europe and their jihad against the church. McCarthy's communist sleeper cells were real and they did more damage than people like you who have been feed politically correct dogma are willing to admit.
Duke for Mayor

Akron, OH

#324 Jan 3, 2013
Che Reagan Christ

Medina, OH

#325 Jan 3, 2013
Reality Speaks wrote:
<quoted text>
is there a KKK anymore?
Yes.
Enzyte Bob

Columbus, OH

#327 Jan 3, 2013
FKA Reader wrote:
<quoted text>
Being "unbearable" is a behavior? Sorry. I don't see your southern heroes being motivated to organize lynchings against people that they couldn't "bear." Nor would I expect any law enforcement agency to take on the unbearableness of one's neighbors.
Your blindness wont let you see the truth.

Who has stuffed their pockets full of Wall Street money?

Who were the six people who carted off 50% of Russias wealth before Putin put his foot down?

Who has a history of devious business practices?

That's what's going on here. Six million people don't get shoved into ovens unless there are some long and festering grievances with the way they operate.

This has nothing to do with religion. This has to everything to do with aggressive business practices, fraud and greed.

Lest you think I am completely off my rocker, Jewish people are hard workers and did much to advance the arts and sciences.

But make no mistake ... nobody gives a crap about their religion. It is these antics that turn people against them. What more proof do you need than the Union Army.

Sorry if this is an uncomfortable topic for Americans. I call them as I see them.

What I don't like is that this same aggressiveness was used to upset the social order in this country ... and it has damaged tens of millions of people.

You shouldn't feel guilty about seeing and articulating the truth. And if it isn't the truth, I am open minded to listen ... but it's not what I see.

The Muslims fight for what's theirs.
Che Reagan Christ

Medina, OH

#328 Jan 3, 2013
Enzyte Bob wrote:
<quoted text>
The point is that the KKK came about as a reaction to bad behavior that was left unchecked.
It is one thing to say these are a bunch of racists who hate Jews. It's another thing to say a bunch of Jewish profiteers were running amok all over the South and people banded together to do something about it.
I merely point this out because everybody scoffs when I say that the last 50 years of social disaster was largely a product of Jewish anarchists from Eastern Europe and their jihad against the church. McCarthy's communist sleeper cells were real and they did more damage than people like you who have been feed politically correct dogma are willing to admit.
Oh. I didn't realize how reasonable your point was. I had thought it was all based on cartoonish caricatures and conspiracy theories.
Reality Speaks

Columbus, OH

#329 Jan 3, 2013
Che Reagan Christ wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes.
where?

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