Dissing Christie -- the downside of orthodoxy

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Enzyte Bob

Blacklick, OH

#1 Mar 5, 2013
Dissing Chris Christie -- the downside of orthodoxy

By Cal Thomas
Published March 05, 2013

It’s a safe bet that most conservative Republicans would rush to support a political leader with the following record, especially in a traditionally Democratic state:

— Reversed a $2.2 billion deficit and brought it into balance without raising taxes, largely by reduced spending and eliminating wasteful and unaffordable programs, allowing for a projected fiscal 2014 budget surplus of $300 million.

— Bipartisan pension and benefits reforms, saving the state $120 billion over 30 years.

— Streamlining government by eliminating 5,200 government jobs.

— Vetoing tax increase bills three times while cutting taxes for job creators.

— Reforming the nation’s oldest teacher tenure law by making it conditional on teacher performance in the classroom.

— Reduced property tax increases to a 21-year low and capped them at a maximum 2 percent.

There’s more, but shouldn’t conservative Republicans be ecstatic by this record compiled by New Jersey Republican Governor Chris Christie?
If the Republican “tent” isn’t large enough for Chris Christie, then it will resemble a pup tent for some time to come.

Not the folks at the Conservative Political Action Conference (CPAC), which decided not to invite one of the party’s superstars to its annual gathering in Washington. Apparently, the reason had to do with Christie upsetting conservative orthodoxy by saying something nice about President Obama for approving emergency aid to distressed New Jerseyans affected by Super Storm Sandy.

I’m all for orthodoxy, which some call principle. I am orthodox in many things, but in politics, compromise in the pursuit of ultimate goals does not necessarily make one a compromiser.

Gov. Chris Christie is no liberal. He is proving his ideas work, which is why, according to a recent Quinnipiac University poll, he has a 74 percent approval rating in one of the bluest states in the country.

Most politicians would, as they say,“kill” for a number like that, but instead CPAC organizers “killed” Christie from their list of speakers.

Conservative Republicans have a unique opportunity to present a positive, forward-looking and reform-minded agenda at a time when most voters’ approval of government is scraping rock bottom. Americans are aware of the current dysfunction in Washington and may be ready for a creative message if Republicans could show them how a 21st-century model would mutually benefit themselves and the nation.

...“It is entirely within the power of the GOP to both remain principled and appeal to a majority of Americans.”

A bold agenda that does these things reflects Gov. Christie’s record in New Jersey. By not inviting him to speak, CPAC invites comparison with a pessimistic and hypercritical political environment of the past. If the Republican “tent” isn’t large enough for Chris Christie, then it will resemble a pup tent for some time to come.

Republicans should be focused on deconstructing failed liberalism and styling their alternative in positive terms, not rejecting one of their own.

Hating President Obama is not a policy. Intellectually defeating his policies is.

Cal Thomas is America's most widely syndicated newspaper columnist and a Fox News contributor.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2013/03/05/dis...

Since: Dec 11

Middletown, OH

#2 Mar 6, 2013
We woke up Cal. No more half ways to defeat the full way. No more suck ups to defeat the suckee. That fat baaastard is done. Chris and Rove can go form their own party so as not to soil their pragmatism.

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#3 Mar 6, 2013
Not so sure about that, Shanikwah.

Christie did what he had to do, it's called political expediency. I happen to like the guy. He's getting the job done, and is along the way saving tax dollars while getting the Jersey shore taken care of post-Sandy.

This atmosphere of political hatred and intolerance has gone too far. I may not agree with everything Christie has done or said, but I admire his ability to not only reach across the aisle, but to also do his job--be GOVERNOR--instead of asking what's in it for him and being on the attack.
Enzyte Bob

Blacklick, OH

#4 Mar 6, 2013
gokeefe wrote:
Not so sure about that, Shanikwah.
Christie did what he had to do, it's called political expediency. I happen to like the guy. He's getting the job done, and is along the way saving tax dollars while getting the Jersey shore taken care of post-Sandy.
This atmosphere of political hatred and intolerance has gone too far. I may not agree with everything Christie has done or said, but I admire his ability to not only reach across the aisle, but to also do his job--be GOVERNOR--instead of asking what's in it for him and being on the attack.
I personally can't stand the intolerance of people these days. So the guy, who cut his teeth as a FEDERAL PROSECUTOR, doesn't think guns are appropriate in a densely populated place like Jersey? I would think if anybody would be in a position to know, it would be him.

Whether he's right or wrong, he's still entitled to his opinion, though. Besides, the guy has gotten results.

http://www.topix.com/forum/columbus/TQ42CBR35...

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#5 Mar 6, 2013
Enzyte Bob wrote:
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I personally can't stand the intolerance of people these days. So the guy, who cut his teeth as a FEDERAL PROSECUTOR, doesn't think guns are appropriate in a densely populated place like Jersey? I would think if anybody would be in a position to know, it would be him.
Whether he's right or wrong, he's still entitled to his opinion, though. Besides, the guy has gotten results.
http://www.topix.com/forum/columbus/TQ42CBR35...
Considering that when you remove the desert, that Arizona is near as densely populated, I doubt that "dense population" means that people should be barred from gun ownership.

Arizona is known for having the fewest restrictions, and its crime largely is Third Worlder driven, as it is in nearly all states.

New Jersey's unemployment rate is terrible vs the national average.

As I said to Che, being a lawyer gets no points from me. The same goes to you and Fatboy. He was fundamentally a political appointee who was undistinguished in private practice.



0:33

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#6 Mar 6, 2013
gokeefe wrote:
Not so sure about that, Shanikwah.
Christie did what he had to do, it's called political expediency. I happen to like the guy. He's getting the job done, and is along the way saving tax dollars while getting the Jersey shore taken care of post-Sandy.
This atmosphere of political hatred and intolerance has gone too far. I may not agree with everything Christie has done or said, but I admire his ability to not only reach across the aisle, but to also do his job--be GOVERNOR--instead of asking what's in it for him and being on the attack.
Read what the GAO said about the tunnel cancellation.

Unemployment rate.

98% with Cuomo

He's a show horse, not a work horse.

“Queen of my domain”

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#7 Mar 7, 2013
Enzyte Bob wrote:
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I personally can't stand the intolerance of people these days. So the guy, who cut his teeth as a FEDERAL PROSECUTOR, doesn't think guns are appropriate in a densely populated place like Jersey? I would think if anybody would be in a position to know, it would be him.
Whether he's right or wrong, he's still entitled to his opinion, though. Besides, the guy has gotten results.
http://www.topix.com/forum/columbus/TQ42CBR35...
I don't have a real good take on Christie's position on gun control. He did blast the NRA for using the Obama daughter's in an ad. I'm not sorry to say this, but that kind of tactic IS reprehensible. Has nothing at all to do with my political alignment, much more to do with the pimping of underage kids to promote a political agenda. WRONG. But he also did call Obama a hypocrite for having secret service protection for his kids when others didn't have such luxuries.

http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2013/01/17/gov-ch...

Christie himself has been fairly tight lipped on his gun control position.

But yes, Christie gets stuff done. That's what I admire about him. He can cut through the political bullsheet and get something accomplished.

“Queen of my domain”

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#8 Mar 7, 2013
-The-Artist- wrote:
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Considering that when you remove the desert, that Arizona is near as densely populated, I doubt that "dense population" means that people should be barred from gun ownership.
Arizona is known for having the fewest restrictions, and its crime largely is Third Worlder driven, as it is in nearly all states.
New Jersey's unemployment rate is terrible vs the national average.
As I said to Che, being a lawyer gets no points from me. The same goes to you and Fatboy. He was fundamentally a political appointee who was undistinguished in private practice.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =TaIWM2ruyK4XX
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Jersey's unemployment rate I'm suspecting is somewhat skewed. South Jersey/Atlantic Beach depends heavily on seasonal employment as does most of the shore regions. Also, Jersey lost a huge employer a year or two ago with BRAC: Fort Monmouth was shut down. Considerable civilian workforce there.

Since: Dec 11

Middletown, OH

#9 Mar 7, 2013
I liked his spunk a few years ago but lines have been drawn and he has chosen to go the way of the pragmatist. Can any of you tell me he would come at Obama with guns blazing after that suck face fest with lord Obama after Sandy? Probably be akin to another fellah who wilted when confronted with the revenge of Candy Crowley. Come to think of it, I haven't heard much from him since his "moderation" informed him to give the enemy his due. He's Rove's last great big fat white hope. Not mine. You know what....I will change my mind on him if he calls O unseemly names and means it..........and it has to be politically uncorrest names.

Since: Dec 11

Middletown, OH

#10 Mar 7, 2013
Blithingly uncorrect.

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#11 Mar 7, 2013
gokeefe wrote:
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I don't have a real good take on Christie's position on gun control. He did blast the NRA for using the Obama daughter's in an ad. I'm not sorry to say this, but that kind of tactic IS reprehensible. Has nothing at all to do with my political alignment, much more to do with the pimping of underage kids to promote a political agenda. WRONG. But he also did call Obama a hypocrite for having secret service protection for his kids when others didn't have such luxuries.
http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2013/01/17/gov-ch...
Christie himself has been fairly tight lipped on his gun control position.
But yes, Christie gets stuff done. That's what I admire about him. He can cut through the political bullsheet and get something accomplished.
After the shootings, the NRA response was that staff could be trained and armed, and/or we could have separate security.

The leftists said that was bogus, and we needed to gut the Constitutional rights of Americans.

http://www.thenation.com/blog/171889/nras-way...

Note of course that Bill Clinton supported a similar idea.



OK, so the left opposed protecting kids in school under Obama, because the NRA supported it.

So in a sense, Obama's kids, and Obama himself have protection while trying to deny it to others.

Given that the issue was school security, the use of his daughters was fully appropriate.

He is not a feudal lord. Same goes for the rest of the pols.

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#12 Mar 7, 2013
gokeefe wrote:
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Jersey's unemployment rate I'm suspecting is somewhat skewed. South Jersey/Atlantic Beach depends heavily on seasonal employment as does most of the shore regions. Also, Jersey lost a huge employer a year or two ago with BRAC: Fort Monmouth was shut down. Considerable civilian workforce there.
It's worth considering the impact of the D state legislature, but Fatboy has done nothing to get his party into the majority.

I may reconsider some of my opinions towards him if he reverses his gun ban stance, and elects R majorities that pass CCW and RTW.

The bar is high, and I doubt he can get his but over it.

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#14 Mar 7, 2013
You cannot kill a Spook wrote:
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Only bar Christe can get over is a Soviet era candy bar.
With me being anti gun is not forgivable. Once a constitution shredder always a constitution shredder.
Christie has never really articulated his gun control stance directly. Has usually be obliquely, leaving both sides to "interpret" that for him. He has not stated anywhere that I can find that "Yes, I favor tighter gun control and bans on assault weapons" or "No on tighter gun control and forget the bans on assault weapons."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/right-tur...

Here's a quote:

"...in a state in which repeal of the assault-weapons ban is a nonstarter, he gently chides the anti-gun crowd by pointing out that another gun ban is not likely to magically prevent mass shootings.
Second, he preserves his position for a 2016 presidential run. He can honestly say that he wouldn’t favor an assault gun ban if starting from scratch, but when he was in a deep blue state he resisted the pleas to up the ante and instead concentrated on the root social and medical causes of mass gun violence.
And third, he does something other than just say “No.” Like it or not, conservatives should recognize that the public wants government to solve problems. The appearance of energetic governance is as important as the policies themselves. Christie understands this better than most conservatives who like to say,“We have enough laws."

Personally, I think he's trying to balance a lot in a very blue state as a conservative governor. Jersey does have NOT have a provision in its state constitution; however, that is similar to the federal constitution's 2nd Amendment.(Believe it or not... and my gut tells me this is likely an issue at play here. There are only 6 states that have no such provision in their state constitutions.)

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#15 Mar 7, 2013
gokeefe wrote:
<quoted text>
Christie has never really articulated his gun control stance directly. Has usually be obliquely, leaving both sides to "interpret" that for him. He has not stated anywhere that I can find that "Yes, I favor tighter gun control and bans on assault weapons" or "No on tighter gun control and forget the bans on assault weapons."
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/right-tur...
Here's a quote:
"...in a state in which repeal of the assault-weapons ban is a nonstarter, he gently chides the anti-gun crowd by pointing out that another gun ban is not likely to magically prevent mass shootings.
Second, he preserves his position for a 2016 presidential run. He can honestly say that he wouldn’t favor an assault gun ban if starting from scratch, but when he was in a deep blue state he resisted the pleas to up the ante and instead concentrated on the root social and medical causes of mass gun violence.
And third, he does something other than just say “No.” Like it or not, conservatives should recognize that the public wants government to solve problems. The appearance of energetic governance is as important as the policies themselves. Christie understands this better than most conservatives who like to say,“We have enough laws."
Personally, I think he's trying to balance a lot in a very blue state as a conservative governor. Jersey does have NOT have a provision in its state constitution; however, that is similar to the federal constitution's 2nd Amendment.(Believe it or not... and my gut tells me this is likely an issue at play here. There are only 6 states that have no such provision in their state constitutions.)
The socialist majority in the NJ legislature has passed 24 new gun bans.

He could commit to vetoing them all, he has said nothing.

"Strict and aggressive enforcement of the state's current gun laws" was a plank in his 2009 campaign.

Those laws are a de-facto CCW ban, a ban on hollowpoints (no other state has this), and a state AWB.

http://s839.beta.photobucket.com/user/Umbrari...

(I have never seen an apology for this)

The reason for his popularity is due to his bashing of the conservative base, and a halt of criticism from Obama.

He has accomplished little compared to the other R Governors, even the ones with D legislatures in the realm of job creation and the protection of Constitutional rights.

Fatboy is a gun banner, that's the facts. He has had many chances to change that, but he has not.

He gets into the White House, we could have 4 Souters on the Supreme Court.
Che Reagan Christ

Lodi, OH

#17 Mar 7, 2013
-The-Artist- wrote:
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The socialist majority in the NJ legislature has passed 24 new gun bans.
He could commit to vetoing them all, he has said nothing.
"Strict and aggressive enforcement of the state's current gun laws" was a plank in his 2009 campaign.
Those laws are a de-facto CCW ban, a ban on hollowpoints (no other state has this), and a state AWB.
http://s839.beta.photobucket.com/user/Umbrari...
(I have never seen an apology for this)
The reason for his popularity is due to his bashing of the conservative base, and a halt of criticism from Obama.
He has accomplished little compared to the other R Governors, even the ones with D legislatures in the realm of job creation and the protection of Constitutional rights.
Fatboy is a gun banner, that's the facts. He has had many chances to change that, but he has not.
He gets into the White House, we could have 4 Souters on the Supreme Court.
You are politically irrelevant. Who cares what you think about Christie?

“Queen of my domain”

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#18 Mar 7, 2013
You cannot kill a Spook wrote:
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By signing gun ban / restriction bills into law he thus shows his approval.
Sorry, Spook. Don't believe he ever signed one. That ad that was shown via the photobucket image was circa 1995 when he publicly supported on in NJ, prior to his governorship...

False alarm?

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#19 Mar 7, 2013
Che Reagan Christ wrote:
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You are politically irrelevant. Who cares what you think about Fatboy?
I've had lawfare directed against me, I doubt I am politically irrelevant.

BTW, you don't say the same to Bob, who is the one who brings up these threads.

I don't take kindly to this "professional courtesy" in your furthering of your self-declared status as a feudal lord, unworthy of criticism by us peasants.

“Larchmont's Leading Citizen”

Since: Dec 12

Hilliard, OH

#20 Mar 7, 2013
Che Reagan Christ wrote:
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You are politically irrelevant. Who cares what you think about Christie?
Can you ever debate rather than act like a douche?
Che Reagan Christ

Lodi, OH

#21 Mar 7, 2013
Hugh Victor Thompson III wrote:
<quoted text>Can you ever debate rather than act like a douche?
I've got a stalker now. WOO HOO!
Che Reagan Christ

Lodi, OH

#22 Mar 7, 2013
-The-Artist- wrote:
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I've had lawfare directed against me, I doubt I am politically irrelevant.
BTW, you don't say the same to Bob, who is the one who brings up these threads.
I don't take kindly to this "professional courtesy" in your furthering of your self-declared status as a feudal lord, unworthy of criticism by us peasants.
You have already made clear you won't vote for the GOP candidate, so you are politically irrelevant when it comes to discussing the candidate.

You are also developing a significant inferiority complex. Be careful.

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