At least we know we're free

At least we know we're free

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“Don't trust the internet!”

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#1 Jul 4, 2012
Random Thoughts on Independence and Freedom
July 4, 2012

Last night I enjoyed fireworks, as I always do, in celebration of America’s birthday, Independence Day, the Fourth of July. One of the things I like most about fireworks is how intensely public they are. Despite the presence of crowd fencing and some special areas with rows of white folding chairs set up specially for the occasion, there is no way around the reality that fireworks are so big, so bright and so awesome that they reach anyone for miles around who cares to watch.

And we do care to watch. In droves. Even without buses, the riverfront was teeming and there are loads of other more distant lawns and parks where watchers joined. I hope that when I am so old as to require wheeling around with assistance that someone will still care enough about me to take me out in those crowds of Americans who come together once a year. It’s there with all that messiness of people that I experience my version of the American that Lee Greenwood sings about when he says that he is proud to be an American,“where at least I know I’m free…”

At least? At LEAST?

I don’t know that we’ve all always been so terribly clear that all here are or ought to be free—or even what freedom means when our definitions come crashing together. There’s no denying that Americans love freedom and personal independence—even when we aren’t willing to contemplate how our individual independence impacts one another, nor the many contributions of others, besides the “men (and women) who died, to give that right to me.”

I’ve been thinking the last few days on the relationship between freedom and opportunity. While closely interrelated, they are not the same thing. We haven’t heard so much recently about the land of opportunity. I guess it was easier when many of us assumed that opportunity was more widely available than it turned out to be. We’ve made lot of progress, for instance, in realizing that the opportunity to work means regardless of gender or ethnicity. Now we must also wrestle with the reality that it also requires an availability of jobs.

But, there’s another part of Greenwood’s song catching my eye this morning. It’s the part that says,“From the lakes of Minnesota, to the hills of Tennessee, across the plains of Texas, from sea to shining sea, from Detroit down to Houston, and New York to L.A, well there's pride in every American heart, and it’s time we stand and say that I'm proud to be an American.” Even Detroit, rural Tennessee and barrios in L.A. I don’t know if Greenwood realized it, but even at the very fringes of freedom and opportunity, we find people willing to celebrate.

That’s what I love about those fireworks crowds. They are for everybody.

Blessings to all my friends as we celebrate America’s Independence.

FKA Reader

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#3 Jul 4, 2012
From the History Channel feed on my Facebook page:

"On this day in 1776, in Philadelphia, Pa., 56 American delegates sign a Declaration of Independence, which proclaims the independence of the United States of America from Great Britain and its king. The act made each of the signers traitors to England; if they lost the war they'd hang. But they won. So three cheers for the patriots who risked all in the name of freedom!"

Let's remember things like these before we go off on tangents about fireworks... opportunity and more importantly, FREEDOM, took and still takes personal risks and personal investment.

Happy 4th all.

Kramers Attorney

Since: Apr 12

Hilliard, OH

#4 Jul 4, 2012
There's not much to celebrate. As Topix poster Conservative said so well:

"Isn't it ironic that the Revolution, the beginning of our country, in part was due to taxation and with the Supreme Court decision ended a glorious history by giving government unlimited power through taxation."
http://www.topix.com/forum/columbus/THS33V06Q...

“Don't trust the internet!”

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#5 Jul 4, 2012
gokeefe wrote:
From the History Channel feed on my Facebook page:
"On this day in 1776, in Philadelphia, Pa., 56 American delegates sign a Declaration of Independence, which proclaims the independence of the United States of America from Great Britain and its king. The act made each of the signers traitors to England; if they lost the war they'd hang. But they won. So three cheers for the patriots who risked all in the name of freedom!"
Let's remember things like these before we go off on tangents about fireworks... opportunity and more importantly, FREEDOM, took and still takes personal risks and personal investment.
Happy 4th all.
Deep sigh.

It's a metaphor.

“Queen of my domain”

Since: May 10

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#6 Jul 4, 2012
FKA Reader wrote:
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Deep sigh.
It's a metaphor.
*le sigh*

The fireworks aren't what is important. Cool and all that, but not important in the scheme of things. See George's reply. Tyranny was overcome.
big deal

Columbus, OH

#7 Jul 4, 2012
Hug a vet and slip them a dollar bill.

Kramers Attorney

Since: Apr 12

Hilliard, OH

#8 Jul 4, 2012
big deal wrote:
Hug a vet and slip them a dollar bill.
I wasn't aware this was Veteran's Day. Or Memorial Day.
tip

Lancaster, OH

#9 Jul 4, 2012
gokeefe wrote:
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Tyranny was overcome.
But, alas, it rears its ugly head on these United States of America once more....

“Queen of my domain”

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#10 Jul 4, 2012
tip wrote:
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But, alas, it rears its ugly head on these United States of America once more....
And we shall overcome....again. I have my faith.

Kramers Attorney

Since: Apr 12

Hilliard, OH

#11 Jul 4, 2012
gokeefe wrote:
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And we shall overcome....again. I have my faith.
Not until we reclaim education and the courts.
tip

Lancaster, OH

#12 Jul 4, 2012
gokeefe wrote:
<quoted text>
And we shall overcome....again. I have my faith.
dum spiro spero

“Queen of my domain”

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#13 Jul 4, 2012
"While I breathe, I hope." -- Cicero

Never toss a Latin phrase to an old-time Catholic school kid. It's like a bone to a dog.
The Author

Columbus, OH

#14 Jul 4, 2012
gokeefe wrote:
From the History Channel feed on my Facebook page:
"On this day in 1776, in Philadelphia, Pa., 56 American delegates sign a Declaration of Independence, which proclaims the independence of the United States of America from Great Britain and its king. The act made each of the signers traitors to England; if they lost the war they'd hang. But they won. So three cheers for the patriots who risked all in the name of freedom!"
Let's remember things like these before we go off on tangents about fireworks... opportunity and more importantly, FREEDOM, took and still takes personal risks and personal investment.
Happy 4th all.
No less a patriot than John Adams publicly wrote that the 4th should always be celebrated with fireworks across the land. So I don't think it's a tangent at all, as he was certainly one of those who would have swung if they had not been successful.
Conservative

Greenville, OH

#15 Jul 4, 2012
gokeefe wrote:
"While I breathe, I hope." -- Cicero
Never toss a Latin phrase to an old-time Catholic school kid. It's like a bone to a dog.
Beat me to it.
The Author

Columbus, OH

#16 Jul 4, 2012
Kramers Attorney wrote:
There's not much to celebrate. As Topix poster Conservative said so well:
"Isn't it ironic that the Revolution, the beginning of our country, in part was due to taxation and with the Supreme Court decision ended a glorious history by giving government unlimited power through taxation."
http://www.topix.com/forum/columbus/THS33V06Q...
Wow, conservatives are such a drag...if someone walked up to you and gave you $1000, you'd bitch because it wasn't $2000.

In case you missed it, the Constitution ALREADY grants the Congress the power to lay and collect taxes. That's an enumerated power you keep harping about. You and I elect those who institute these taxes, if we don't like them at least we have the power to throw them out. The colonists had no such right. That's what they fought for and why they wrote the Constitution they way they did. Just because YOU don't like a particular tax doesn't mean it is invalid in a constitutional sense.

You're welcome for the free civics lesson.
tip

Lancaster, OH

#17 Jul 4, 2012
The Author wrote:
<quoted text>
No less a patriot than John Adams publicly wrote that the 4th should always be celebrated with fireworks across the land. So I don't think it's a tangent at all, as he was certainly one of those who would have swung if they had not been successful.
Fireworks, yay.
Progressive lectures, nay.
tip

Lancaster, OH

#18 Jul 4, 2012
The Author wrote:
<quoted text>
Wow, conservatives are such a drag...if someone walked up to you and gave you $1000, you'd bitch because it wasn't $2000.
In case you missed it, the Constitution ALREADY grants the Congress the power to lay and collect taxes. That's an enumerated power you keep harping about. You and I elect those who institute these taxes, if we don't like them at least we have the power to throw them out. The colonists had no such right. That's what they fought for and why they wrote the Constitution they way they did. Just because YOU don't like a particular tax doesn't mean it is invalid in a constitutional sense.
You're welcome for the free civics lesson.
His lordship denies it is a tax.
Nay, it is a penalty for not complying with an unconstitutional mandate.

“Hey, Sarge!”

Since: Dec 10

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#19 Jul 4, 2012
tip wrote:
<quoted text>Fireworks, yay.
Progressive lectures, nay.
Well said!

Kramers Attorney

Since: Apr 12

Hilliard, OH

#20 Jul 4, 2012
The Author wrote:
<quoted text>
Wow, conservatives are such a drag...if someone walked up to you and gave you $1000, you'd bitch because it wasn't $2000.
In case you missed it, the Constitution ALREADY grants the Congress the power to lay and collect taxes. That's an enumerated power you keep harping about. You and I elect those who institute these taxes, if we don't like them at least we have the power to throw them out. The colonists had no such right. That's what they fought for and why they wrote the Constitution they way they did. Just because YOU don't like a particular tax doesn't mean it is invalid in a constitutional sense.
You're welcome for the free civics lesson.
Here's my civics lesson to you...Obamacare originated in the Senate. Taxation must originate in the House.

“Queen of my domain”

Since: May 10

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#21 Jul 4, 2012
The Author wrote:
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Wow, conservatives are such a drag...if someone walked up to you and gave you $1000, you'd bitch because it wasn't $2000.
Figures. A liberal always believes the way to solve any problem is tossing around someone else's cash and then wondering why it wasn't enough.

You're welcome for the free economics lesson.

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