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Did The Great Recession Bring Back The 1930s?

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Found this article interesting/enlightening. Opine away.

http://www.npr.org/2012/07/11/155991507/did-t... (see link for comparisons)

The long economic downturn that began in late 2007 came to be known at the Great Recession –- the worst period since the Great Depression of the 1930s.

Even though both events were momentous enough to earn the word "great" as a modifier, they really are not comparable, according to recent research by economist Mark Vaughan, a fellow at the Weidenbaum Center on the Economy at Washington University in St. Louis.

"It's now clear the Great Recession was the worst downturn of our lifetime — the worst since the Great Depression," Vaughan said. "But in terms of human suffering, it pales in magnitude" with the 1930s.

The Great Depression was painful in ways we can scarcely imagine now because we have grown so accustomed to having a government-funded safety net, he said.

For example, the unemployment rate hit a peak of 10 percent in October 2009, but Congress provided those laid-off workers with extended unemployment benefits. As a result, jobless Americans were able to collect up to 99 weeks of government checks to help ride out tough times.

In contrast, the jobless rate shot to 25 percent in the Great Depression and stayed in the double digits for a decade. When the job market first collapsed in 1930, workers could not rely upon unemployment insurance, food stamps, Social Security or other forms of government help, Vaughan noted.

After 1933, "the New Deal started to introduce safety-net programs, but they weren't there in the early 1930s and they weren't on the same scale as today," he said.

So why do so many people today feel the Great Recession was miserable enough to be in the same ballpark as the Great Depression? In November 2008, for example, TIME magazine's cover inserted Barack Obama's face into a famous photo of Depression-era President Franklin D. Roosevelt.

Vaughan says people may feel the Great Recession was so bad because the recovery has been so slow paced. Today, the unemployment rate remains high at 8.2 percent, economic growth is weak around 2 percent, foreclosures are still going forward, and both consumers and business owners remain very worried about looming problems, such as a financial crisis tied to European debt troubles.

Vaughan says this has been the most painful economic period Americans under 80 can remember. For those who lost both jobs and homes — all while carrying heavy consumer and student debt — this has indeed felt like a depression, which actually has no official definition. But generally, economists say a depression is an event that lasts at least two years and involves a sustained decline of about 10 percent of gross domestic product.

Vaughan has compiled lots of statistics to measure the magnitude of the two great downturns of the past century. He did find some interesting parallels between the Great Depression and the Great Recession.

Here are some similarities:

Both were preceded by good economic times.

- 1921-29: Annual real economic growth was 4.4 percent

- 1982-2007: Annual real economic growth was 3.2 percent

Both were preceded by the movement of banks into new business lines.

- 1920s: Banks ramped up real estate lending/investment banking

- 1990s-2000s: Banks ramped up real estate lending/securitization of mortgages

Both were preceded by innovations in consumer finance.

- 1920s: Installment consumer credit (e.g., monthly payments for autos)

- 2000s: Banks ramped up real estate lending/securitization of mortgages

Both were preceded by asset bubbles.

- 1920s: Florida real estate boom and the stock market

- 1990s-2000s: Residential real estate and the tech-stock boom

Both followed an era in which the Federal Reserve was highly regarded.

But the differences are huge because the Great Depression was much worse. The chart below makes the comparisons.

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It's Just like the 1930s. The satellite dishes and smartphones among the Section 8 dwellers are a dead giveaway. After all, as Joe Biden said, the poor were able to watch FDR on TV.

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It's Just like the 1930s. The satellite dishes and smartphones among the Section 8 dwellers are a dead giveaway. After all, as Joe Biden said, the poor were able to watch FDR on TV.
Joe Biden's an idiot.

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/gaffe-prone-b...

I considered this interesting because of its source (NPR) and the comparisons. At least, it was factual.

Point was, it's not good now but not as if we need Obama as Messiah, either. If we continue down the road we are on, I don't see it getting better though. Recovery? Really? Watch the stock market lately?

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It isn't all bad. I'm probably making the same salary as my grandfather did in the 30's.
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Comments 1-4 above are all the same IDIOT using multiple usernames.. Goerge Jefferson Hillard AKA 60+,,, This fool talks back & forth to "himself" to make it "appear" that others agree with him..

IT takes a real nutjob to participate in that kind of insanity!!!

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Comments 1-4 above are all the same IDIOT using multiple usernames.. Goerge Jefferson Hillard AKA 60+,,, This fool talks back & forth to "himself" to make it "appear" that others agree with him..
IT takes a real nutjob to participate in that kind of insanity!!!
Clueless as usual aren't you, Walt?
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No, you're thinking about your mother...

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Walt wrote:
No, you're thinking about your mother...
Doesn't take you long to come around and pollute the place, does it?

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Some other similarities between the two periods.

Union membership fell drastically and taxes had been lowered too far.
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Doesn't take you long to come around and pollute the place, does it?
YOU George, You Have already polluted the place.. with your 24-7 -365 multi usernames bullsh*t.

You're the nutjob that complains to Topix that the moderators pick on you. REALLY, who complains over a FORUM????????

You're a FAILED school teaher George.. You're a LOSER! Topix doesn't like you either..

You use 60+ usernames to have someone to agree with you. You "make up" your own friends...

You're REDUCED to a keyboard george. That's YOUR WHOLE LIFE! LOL

While EVERYONE else is out living life, YOU'RE Stuck with a KEYBOARD in your wheelchair!! LOL

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Walt wrote:
<quoted text>YOU George, You Have already polluted the place.. with your 24-7 -365 multi usernames bullsh*t.
You're the nutjob that complains to Topix that the moderators pick on you. REALLY, who complains over a FORUM????????
You're a FAILED school teaher George.. You're a LOSER! Topix doesn't like you either..
You use 60+ usernames to have someone to agree with you. You "make up" your own friends...
You're REDUCED to a keyboard george. That's YOUR WHOLE LIFE! LOL
While EVERYONE else is out living life, YOU'RE Stuck with a KEYBOARD in your wheelchair!! LOL
I'll wheel George around anywhere he wants to go as long as he is giving you hell....

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I'll wheel George around anywhere he wants to go as long as he is giving you hell....
My Medicare pays for a motorized wheelchair. You should see the fun we have racing them in the home...

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Kosmik wrote:
Some other similarities between the two periods.
Union membership fell drastically and taxes had been lowered too far.
Yes to union membership and taxes being lowered. But is it accurate to say they've been lowered too far?

Should we eliminate earned income credits? Should we create a flat tax rate?

How far is too low and how high is too high?

Keep in mind that wages/income are nebulous factors, well, at least in my mind.$100K a year in Ohio is a lot more than $100K a year in NYC. You might as well be homeless living on $100K a year in NYC.
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Walt wrote:
<quoted text>YOU George, You Have already polluted the place.. with your 24-7 -365 multi usernames bullsh*t.
You're the nutjob that complains to Topix that the moderators pick on you. REALLY, who complains over a FORUM????????
You're a FAILED school teaher George.. You're a LOSER! Topix doesn't like you either..
You use 60+ usernames to have someone to agree with you. You "make up" your own friends...
You're REDUCED to a keyboard george. That's YOUR WHOLE LIFE! LOL
While EVERYONE else is out living life, YOU'RE Stuck with a KEYBOARD in your wheelchair!! LOL
Projection!

I get the picture now. Walt was a union school teacher, but all his advances toward his students were rejected. Since all his coworkers got all the snatch they wanted, something snapped and Walter started stalking a 14 year old only to be declared insane and committed to a nursing home shortly thereafter!

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Yes to union membership and taxes being lowered. But is it accurate to say they've been lowered too far?
Should we eliminate earned income credits? Should we create a flat tax rate?
How far is too low and how high is too high?
Keep in mind that wages/income are nebulous factors, well, at least in my mind.$100K a year in Ohio is a lot more than $100K a year in NYC. You might as well be homeless living on $100K a year in NYC.
Look at the weather. Hottest, dried summer in the US since 1936. You know somebody is screaming, "Bush's Fault!!"

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<quoted text>Look at the weather. Hottest, dried summer in the US since 1936. You know somebody is screaming, "Bush's Fault!!"
No sheet! I read comparisons to this summer to the Okie Dust Bowl, too.

I love how Bush screwed so many things up and yet, amazingly, the Messiah hasn't walked on water or even manage to keep his veep's mouth shut.

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gokeefe wrote:
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Yes to union membership and taxes being lowered. But is it accurate to say they've been lowered too far?
Should we eliminate earned income credits? Should we create a flat tax rate?
How far is too low and how high is too high?
Keep in mind that wages/income are nebulous factors, well, at least in my mind.$100K a year in Ohio is a lot more than $100K a year in NYC. You might as well be homeless living on $100K a year in NYC.
It's a complex issue but I'll try to be as succinct as possible. When I state that taxes were cut too low, I am referring to the income vs. spending ratio of the government. Cutting taxes is great if equal cuts in spending are made. Cutting taxes while spending the same or more is ludicrous.

I agree 1000% it depends on where you live as to how far your dollar will take you. Two of the reasons I moved back to Ohio from NY were lower taxes and lower cost of living.

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No sheet! I read comparisons to this summer to the Okie Dust Bowl, too.
I love how Bush screwed so many things up and yet, amazingly, the Messiah hasn't walked on water or even manage to keep his veep's mouth shut.
I caught a glimpse of the 700 Club, they say it's actually God punishing us for Mary Cheney's wedding. I might have gotten it wrong, I wasn't tuned in for more than a nanosecond.
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Walt wrote:
<quoted text>YOU George, You Have already polluted the place.. with your 24-7 -365 multi usernames bullsh*t.
You're the nutjob that complains to Topix that the moderators pick on you. REALLY, who complains over a FORUM????????
You're a FAILED school teaher George.. You're a LOSER! Topix doesn't like you either..
You use 60+ usernames to have someone to agree with you. You "make up" your own friends...
You're REDUCED to a keyboard george. That's YOUR WHOLE LIFE! LOL
While EVERYONE else is out living life, YOU'RE Stuck with a KEYBOARD in your wheelchair!! LOL
You got that right,I'm a loser,who cares.

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George Jefferson Hilliard wrote:
<quoted text>You got that right,I'm a loser,who cares.
No GJ avatar, no credibility.
Thanks for playing.

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