Ohio bishop: Gay teacher's firing about moral values

May 1, 2013 Full story: Ohio.com 88

COLUMBUS: The Roman Catholic bishop in central Ohio says the firing of a gay teacher at a Columbus Catholic school was based not on her sexual orientation but on the need to maintain the institution's values.

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Enzyte Bob

Blacklick, OH

#71 May 2, 2013
Che Reagan Christ wrote:
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That would be academically superior. I said morally superior.
Please read Post 69, and the statistics are easily verifiable with a few Google Keystrokes.

Anybody who grew up as a PRACTICING Catholic knows that the lifestyle choices they make, rooted culturally in Christianity, have a great bearing on their academic, financial, occupational and relationship success.

We have something that works and we have numbers to back us up.

You have something that doesn't work, and the numbers back that assertion up. Of course, effing like a rabbit and taking drugs is fun! Why delay gratification?

We have the answer why: 60 Years of Cultural Marxism. The statistics show what happens to people who follow your lifestyle, and what happens to people who don't.

The statistics are very clear, honey. And don't deny it.

Bottom line: The sodomites belong in your world, not ours.

Since: Apr 13

Hilliard, OH

#72 May 2, 2013
Che Reagan Christ wrote:
<quoted text>
That would be academically superior. I said morally superior
Not a week goes by without a new public school teacher (usually female) in the news for sexual misconduct with a student.
Che Reagan Christ

Lodi, OH

#73 May 2, 2013
-Clayton Bigsby wrote:
<quoted text>Not a week goes by without a new public school teacher (usually female) in the news for sexual misconduct with a student.
It would seem you Papists would set your bar a little higher.
Enzyte Bob

Blacklick, OH

#75 May 2, 2013
Che Reagan Christ wrote:
<quoted text>
It would seem you Papists would set your bar a little higher.
My bar is pretty high.

What do I see around me?

Primarily intact families. Immigrant farmers who came here 50 - 60 years ago and who are financially independent and have no debt. All their kids graduated college and some are very high achieving.

No baby mommas;
No alcoholics;
No drug addicts;
No divorces;
No sodomites (that we know of);
No porn addicts;
No wh()remongers;

What does your secular world have to show for the last 50 years?

-A miserable underclass?
-People with addiction problems?
-People with family trees so messed up they make ObamaCare look simple?
-A whole class of people who think their problems can be solved with a pill and a trip to the Jewish shrink?
-Broken families?
-Illegitimacy?
-Illiteracy?
-Government schools more expensive than ever, with lower results than ever?

The family is the building block of society. The people who follow the teachings of "the Papacy" prosper, because what "the Papacy" teaches has been proven to work over, and over, and over again.

You secular people are just like the communists. You don't like when people give you the facts. You think religion should be driven underground and to a large extent you have succeeded ... just like the commies.

That makes people like me even more resolute about keeping the secular garbage out.

Bottom line: You made your secular bed, now sleep in it. Leave ours alone - we don't need the dysfunction or the disease.

Since: Apr 13

Hilliard, OH

#76 May 2, 2013
Che Reagan Christ wrote:
<quoted text>
It would seem you Papists would set your bar a little higher.
It seems like you can't handle the truth about the quality and decency of Catholic schools compared to government schools.
Just look what happened at 35 Columbus public schools this morning...
hmmmmmmm

Carmel, IN

#78 May 2, 2013
OutVoice wrote:
That's too much! The RCC an American Catholic Bishop claims morals issue. Hmm guess there is no moral issue with sexual abuse of children eh padre? More likely RCC hypocrisy!
You should be embarrassed to demonstrate such ignorance. If 1% of men are child molesters, does that mean all men are molestors and evil? There are bad eggs in every organization. Seriously, are you really that clueless?

The school has every right to fire the lesbian teacher. Parents expect teachers to follow the moral code. If they dont, they should be fired. If a teacher was caught on facebook doing immoral things, the school would have a right to fire the teacher. They agree to following the moral code before they are hired. If they breach their contract, they are out of a job.

“Don't trust the internet!”

Since: Jan 12

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#80 May 3, 2013
Enzyte Bob wrote:
<quoted text>
My bar is pretty high.
What do I see around me?
Primarily intact families. Immigrant farmers who came here 50 - 60 years ago and who are financially independent and have no debt. All their kids graduated college and some are very high achieving.
No baby mommas;
No alcoholics;
No drug addicts;
No divorces;
No sodomites (that we know of);
No porn addicts;
No wh()remongers;
What does your secular world have to show for the last 50 years?
-A miserable underclass?
-People with addiction problems?
-People with family trees so messed up they make ObamaCare look simple?
-A whole class of people who think their problems can be solved with a pill and a trip to the Jewish shrink?
-Broken families?
-Illegitimacy?
-Illiteracy?
-Government schools more expensive than ever, with lower results than ever?
The family is the building block of society. The people who follow the teachings of "the Papacy" prosper, because what "the Papacy" teaches has been proven to work over, and over, and over again.
Incredibly adolescent to believe that the latest generation has discovered a whole slew of new sins never before possible.

Sleeping around, but inside and outside of marriage was certainly not invented in the 1960s. Neither was homosexuality, or abortion, or a variety of means of contraception. Or venereal disease.

What may be different is the amount of energy that once was put into concealing such behavior. If your argument is that "the Papacy" either teaches or requires such denial and that this is somehow either healthier or leads to better outcomes than recognition of either behaviors or statuses (such as the existence of homosexuality or the existence of children born out of wedlock)--well, I believe you may find that such mind-trickery frequently has impacts that follow down generations.

The difference between Ms. Hale of the 1950s and Ms. Hale of the 2010s is that during the 50s Ms. Hale would have been resigned to referring to her partner as a "room-mate," they would have been unable to purchase property together (assuming that one of them could locate a male co-signer, as women could not easily get credit in their own names). Or, perhaps recognizing early in her life that she felt no attraction to men, she might (if Catholic) have felt she had little option but to follow a religious call. This would not have provided much in the way of comfort and she might have found that surpressing urges in an all-female environment even more difficult. I would imagine that the Holy Orders provided a home for some illicit couplings. Alternatively, she may have attempted obedience through marriage and lived a life on the edge of depression (please do not pretend that this could have been a healthy way to bring up children).

“Don't trust the internet!”

Since: Jan 12

Location hidden

#81 May 3, 2013
-Clayton Bigsby wrote:
<quoted text>It seems like you can't handle the truth about the quality and decency of Catholic schools compared to government schools.
Just look what happened at 35 Columbus public schools this morning...
Could never happen in a Catholic school, right?

Because they are not regulated in the same way.

Maybe you want to point to some consistent means by which to compare Catholic Schools as a whole with public schools as a whole with regard to quality and decency.

A few such apples to apples comparisons have been undertaken, but they never seem to come up with any significant differences between the two, once other differences (income level, education of parents, etc) have been accounted for.

“Don't trust the internet!”

Since: Jan 12

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#82 May 3, 2013
Gay And Proud wrote:
The Bishop claims that the issue was that the teacher was living with a partner and wasn't married, and wasn't fired at all for being lesbian.
I'd love to see that bluff called on the Catholic school system. There are surely gay teachers right now working in Catholic schools in states where same-sex marriage is legally recognized. Surely there must be at least one of those gay or lesbian teachers who has a partner and who has married their partner. I wish a gay teacher married to their same-sex spouse would "come out" to their Catholic school principal and then watch how quickly the Catholic authorities try to fire that teacher despite the claim that they don't fire gay and lesbian teachers, only teachers who are with a spouse who is not married to them.
Their bluff is being called, in a manner of speaking. A parent on their school board has apparently revived an earlier proposal asking for services and support for students at Watterson who are gay. If, in fact, the Diocese wishes to stand by a doctrine of kind and non-discriminatory treatment of those who are gay (apparently short of recognizing them as whole and sexually intact human beings with the ability to bond together as families), then they owe a good bit more to their high school students.

The parent is asking for a support group/groups at the school. Perhaps the church could take on the task of locating some openly gay and happily celebate Catholics (if such actually exist) to serve as role models.

Let's face it. The Catholic Church is attempting to build a garden full of unicorns to present to their youth by presenting the notion that people who are gay can somehow be simultaneously respected for who they are and at the same time denied the opportunity to form family relations consistent with who they are. Pity and respect are inconsistent.

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#83 May 3, 2013

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#84 May 3, 2013
mrsize13feet wrote:
Just because she's a cooter twitching lickin-lesbo doesn't mean that she should have been fired. I mean so what she loves munchin the rug or watches betty the bulldagger films, it's her business. Cat lapping is indeed a technique based specialty and I bet she's an expert but I don't see what that has to do with lesson plans. Do you agree?
Why is it impossible to discuss such topics without the contribution of porn by folks who seem to regard themselves as healthy and hetero?
According to The Book

New Albany, OH

#85 May 3, 2013
According to my Bible lesbianism is just plain wrong, Romans 1:26 where women rejected the God ordained feminine roles as mother, nurturer and housewife. These roles are the foundation of the nuclear family and by destroying the God ordained role of women the culture collapses. Read the Word of God!
Big Johnson

Columbus, OH

#86 May 3, 2013
FKA Reader wrote:
I would imagine that the Holy Orders provided a home for some illicit couplings.
More like all-out orgies. I've seen the movies!

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#87 May 3, 2013
According to The Book wrote:
According to my Bible lesbianism is just plain wrong, Romans 1:26 where women rejected the God ordained feminine roles as mother, nurturer and housewife. These roles are the foundation of the nuclear family and by destroying the God ordained role of women the culture collapses. Read the Word of God!
You wanna point out where in Romans 1:26 there is any reference to "God ordained feminine roles as mother, nurturer and housewife"?
Che Reagan Christ

Lodi, OH

#88 May 3, 2013
-Clayton Bigsby wrote:
<quoted text>It seems like you can't handle the truth about the quality and decency of Catholic schools compared to government schools.
Just look what happened at 35 Columbus public schools this morning...
It seems like you can't help but change the subject.
According to the Book

New Albany, OH

#89 May 3, 2013
Romans 1:26 For this cause God gave them up to vile affections, for even their women did change the natural use to that which is against nature. There is nothing natural about a mother killing her unborn child in an abortion. God ordained a woman to be the mother of children but liberals hate that role and want women to be just like men which is unnatural according to my Bible.

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Since: Jan 12

Location hidden

#90 May 3, 2013
According to the Book wrote:
Romans 1:26 For this cause God gave them up to vile affections, for even their women did change the natural use to that which is against nature. There is nothing natural about a mother killing her unborn child in an abortion. God ordained a woman to be the mother of children but liberals hate that role and want women to be just like men which is unnatural according to my Bible.
Can you just point out the Biblical words in Romans 1:26 that ordains any specific roles for women?

Not your opinion or interpretation.
Learn the way of truth

New Albany, OH

#91 May 3, 2013
Here Kitty Kitty wrote:
Morality is too abstract to have legal bearing
.
Feed him to the lions
Morality is not abstract at all. Leviticus 18:22 Thou shalt not lie with mankind as with womankind, it is abomination. Nothing could be as clear as the Word of a Holy God.

DNF

“Religious Freedom to Marry”

Since: Apr 07

Newark OH / Baltimore MD

#96 May 5, 2013
-Clayton Bigsby wrote:
<quoted text>I guess you never learned that God granted humanity Free Will, and that includes the government.
How is the Church's teaching on gay relationships any different than heterosexual relationships? Sexual activity outside of marriage covers the same ground be the sinner straight or gay.
Sexual activity outside of marriage covers the same ground be the sinner straight or gay.

Then the solution is to allow gays the same solutions available to heterosexuals.

It's called equal protection under the law.

DNF

“Religious Freedom to Marry”

Since: Apr 07

Newark OH / Baltimore MD

#97 May 5, 2013
Learn the way of truth wrote:
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Morality is not abstract at all. Leviticus 18:22 Thou shalt not lie with mankind as with womankind, it is abomination. Nothing could be as clear as the Word of a Holy God.
I Like that you allow people to pick and chose what parts of "God's Word" to follow as long as they confirm what YOU say is 'gods word'.

Trouble is stuff like that has been going on since the idea of ONE SUPREME real God came into being.

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