The George Zimmerman Case!

Since: Jan 12

Cleveland, OH

#1805 Jun 15, 2013
Free Pizza 4 U wrote:
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Oh I'm sorry, I didn't know that you were another eye witness along with FKA Reader.
My apologies.
Carry on.
you're late to they facts. Dee Dee, Trayvon's girlfreind, told what SHE heard...the thug Zimmerman interogating through Tray's ear piece. She knew he was shoved very hard because of the sound he made and the cell disconnecting from the earpiece.
Bottom line, Zimmerman feeled emboldened to approach a hooded teen, at night, because he had a gun and was prepared to shot Tray's if he did not OBEY his command to be detained until the cops came. Zimmerman tried to detained a freight ened teen, a minor, a stranger, in the dark of night, and was socked in the snout .
The fighting began when he shoved Trayvon...period. There is a "ear witness" to Zimmerman's behavoir and police recording.

Since: Jan 12

Cleveland, OH

#1806 Jun 15, 2013
*Felt*

Since: Feb 08

Spokane, WA

#1807 Jun 15, 2013
Anonymous wrote:
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Amen. Justice needs to be served. It is a pathetic standard for the U.S. if he isn't guilty of murder.
"annidumos"
Was it pathetic justice when oj simpson was acquitted of not one but two murders. No that was okay, two whites were killed.
Peace
KMA

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Since: Oct 12

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#1808 Jun 15, 2013
EasyEed wrote:
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"annidumos"
Was it pathetic justice when oj simpson was acquitted of not one but two murders. No that was okay, two whites were killed.
Peace
KMA
The Professional Black Grievance Industry never sleeps.

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Since: Dec 08

Brooklyn, New York

#1809 Jun 15, 2013
EasyEed wrote:
<quoted text>"annidumos"
Was it pathetic justice when oj simpson was acquitted of not one but two murders. No that was okay, two whites were killed.
Peace
KMA
So? How about all the klansmen acquitted for murdering blacks?

Not on your radar, eh Bociphus?

Fk off.

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Since: May 13

Columbus, OH

#1810 Jun 15, 2013
WISE AMERICAN wrote:
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The fighting began when he shoved Trayvon...period. There is a "ear witness" to Zimmerman's behavoir and police recording.
Period huh?

Interesting, you believe that there was a fight and Zimmerman
did not "self inflict" his injuries?
Wait what

Dublin, OH

#1811 Jun 15, 2013
FKA Reader wrote:
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Nice article--comments clearly biased toward Zimmerman.
The author seems to think that immunity from prosecution is likely to come up at trial. While I do believe that O'Mara has held this out as a possibility, the author did not note that this is without precedent. Zimmerman has already passed on the opportunity for a pre-trial hearing on immunity. One problem trying to bring this up during trial is that the burden in showing immunity is on the defense--something that folks posting here are having difficulty with.
Let me get this straight.

I cite a reputable legal blog, written by an attorney who specializes in self defense.

You cite some website put together by random folks with incorrect information.

And yet, you argue that the lawyers are wrong.

YOU'RE the only one having difficulty here, Reader, because you refuse to acknowledge that the Plaintiff has the burden of proof. If they can't prove something well, Zimmerman will have to defend nothing. If the glove don't fit, you can't convict.
Wait what

Dublin, OH

#1812 Jun 15, 2013
WISE AMERICAN wrote:
<quoted text> you're late to they facts. Dee Dee, Trayvon's girlfreind, told what SHE heard...the thug Zimmerman interogating through Tray's ear piece. She knew he was shoved very hard because of the sound he made and the cell disconnecting from the earpiece.
Bottom line, Zimmerman feeled emboldened to approach a hooded teen, at night, because he had a gun and was prepared to shot Tray's if he did not OBEY his command to be detained until the cops came. Zimmerman tried to detained a freight ened teen, a minor, a stranger, in the dark of night, and was socked in the snout .
The fighting began when he shoved Trayvon...period. There is a "ear witness" to Zimmerman's behavoir and police recording.
That witness was discounted. Try to keep up, would you?
Wait what

Dublin, OH

#1813 Jun 15, 2013
FKA Reader wrote:
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So, you are betting on the success of O'Mara's poisoning of the jury pool?
You sound like a broken record - one that can't be fixed.

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#1814 Jun 15, 2013
TonyD2 wrote:
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No speculation at all. A simple question that has a definite answer. Yes or no.
If the starts with,'do you believe?' or asks for a conclusion, that would be speculation--even if the form was yes or no.
Wait what

Dublin, OH

#1815 Jun 15, 2013
FKA Reader wrote:
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Nice article--comments clearly biased toward Zimmerman.
The author seems to think that immunity from prosecution is likely to come up at trial. While I do believe that O'Mara has held this out as a possibility, the author did not note that this is without precedent. Zimmerman has already passed on the opportunity for a pre-trial hearing on immunity. One problem trying to bring this up during trial is that the burden in showing immunity is on the defense--something that folks posting here are having difficulty with.
Here's the author of what I posted:

http://legalinsurrection.com/author/law-of-se...

And here's yours:

http://trayvon.axiomamnesia.com/vision-goal/

If those who frequent a law blog are "biased" toward Zimmerman, that should give you pause that you don't know how the jury will find. That's what most of these posts have been telling you, and you refuse to accept it because of this, that and the other. Whatever - but Reader, be prepared: Zimmerman could walk. He might not, but he could and you need to keep that in mind.

Once more, with vigor: If the glove don't fit, you can't convict.

“Don't trust the internet!”

Since: Jan 12

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#1816 Jun 15, 2013
Wait what wrote:
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Let me get this straight.
I cite a reputable legal blog, written by an attorney who specializes in self defense.
You cite some website put together by random folks with incorrect information.
And yet, you argue that the lawyers are wrong.
YOU'RE the only one having difficulty here, Reader, because you refuse to acknowledge that the Plaintiff has the burden of proof. If they can't prove something well, Zimmerman will have to defend nothing. If the glove don't fit, you can't convict.
Ummm, what random website put together by random folks with wrong indormation would that be?

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Since: Jan 12

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#1817 Jun 15, 2013
Wait what wrote:
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That witness was discounted. Try to keep up, would you?
Perhaps--but not with regard to any facts related to the case. Something for the jury to decide.

The witness who described MMA style blows recanted, something not acknowledged here.

BTW, in addition to the 'doxing' of a minor thought to be witness#8, one of the defense team, Don West, mentioned in open court the first name of one of witness #8's friends. He was cautioned, but the name was already out there. This week West also 'outed' a prospective juror--who was immediately dismissed (he mentioned where she works). And someone leaked the name of a dismissed juror that O'Mara referred to as a stealth juror. Gotta start asking if there are just sloppy or if this is intentional.
Wait what

Dublin, OH

#1818 Jun 15, 2013
FKA Reader wrote:
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Perhaps--but not with regard to any facts related to the case. Something for the jury to decide.
The witness who described MMA style blows recanted, something not acknowledged here.
BTW, in addition to the 'doxing' of a minor thought to be witness#8, one of the defense team, Don West, mentioned in open court the first name of one of witness #8's friends. He was cautioned, but the name was already out there. This week West also 'outed' a prospective juror--who was immediately dismissed (he mentioned where she works). And someone leaked the name of a dismissed juror that O'Mara referred to as a stealth juror. Gotta start asking if there are just sloppy or if this is intentional.
Right. Let's take a look at how people are outing themselves, shall we?

Prospective Juror G29

A 30-something black woman, G29 is a fan of the Philips Phile on 104.1 in Orlando, a liberal talk radio show that had Al Sharpton on while he was in town. Like nearly all jurors that have made it through the questionnaire round she says she does not have a firm opinion of the case and is willing to set it aside any knowledge of it that isn’t presented in court. Her recollection of the event was more slanted than the other jurors, recalling that Mr. Martin “went to go buy something from the gas station and Mr. Zimmerman perceived him to be a threat so he got out of his car and started harassing him. He thought he was perhaps racial profiling, that’s where I got the whole race thing from.” She recalled that the Facebook comments she saw were “favorable to Mr. Martin.” She said she had no problems being sequestered for the duration of the trial. She also affirmed that she would base her verdict on the evidence presented in the court room. Interestingly, it was then revealed that she had posted her summons to appear for jury service on her Facebook page. When asked why, she simply said,“it was just something to do.” She also mentioned that she’s lived in Seminole county for only the past 8 months. She recalled the shooting being described as either murder or an accident, and did not mention hearing self-defense as a possible explanation.

http://legalinsurrection.com/2013/06/zimmerma...
Wait what

Dublin, OH

#1819 Jun 15, 2013
WISE AMERICAN wrote:
<quoted text> you're late to they facts. Dee Dee, Trayvon's girlfreind, told what SHE heard...the thug Zimmerman interogating through Tray's ear piece. She knew he was shoved very hard because of the sound he made and the cell disconnecting from the earpiece.
Bottom line, Zimmerman feeled emboldened to approach a hooded teen, at night, because he had a gun and was prepared to shot Tray's if he did not OBEY his command to be detained until the cops came. Zimmerman tried to detained a freight ened teen, a minor, a stranger, in the dark of night, and was socked in the snout .
The fighting began when he shoved Trayvon...period. There is a "ear witness" to Zimmerman's behavoir and police recording.
SANFORD — Trayvon Martin's girlfriend, the state's most important witness in the George Zimmerman murder case, was caught in a lie, it was revealed Tuesday.

It was not the first piece of misinformation tied to her, but it was the most damaging to date and left prosecutors in a very awkward position.

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2013-03-0...

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#1820 Jun 15, 2013
Wait what wrote:
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Here's the author of what I posted:
http://legalinsurrection.com/author/law-of-se...
And here's yours:
http://trayvon.axiomamnesia.com/vision-goal/
If those who frequent a law blog are "biased" toward Zimmerman, that should give you pause that you don't know how the jury will find. That's what most of these posts have been telling you, and you refuse to accept it because of this, that and the other. Whatever - but Reader, be prepared: Zimmerman could walk. He might not, but he could and you need to keep that in mind.
Once more, with vigor: If the glove don't fit, you can't convict.
I have linked to axiomamnesia not for legal opinions, but for access to tapes and transcripts of witness interviews. Different stuff. I have also provided a link to the blog of another competent (despite refuted doxing attempts to discredit him) attorney with a career in criminal defense.

However regarding the issue of 'folding in'(O'Mara's term) an immunity hearing as a part of the trial, Iistenened to what the judge said to Zimmerman in ascertaining that he understood what he was giving up in not requesting an immunity hearing. I heard the insertion of O'Mara tht this might be possible during trial, but to date, this remains his opinion with no ruling from the judge that this is possible, and no precedent.
Maybe

Chillicothe, OH

#1821 Jun 15, 2013
Maybe if we're lucky, someone will take him out before the trial, and the taxpayers will save a lot of money.
Maybe

Chillicothe, OH

#1822 Jun 15, 2013
FKA Reader wrote:
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The location of the phone and flashlight, the body and shell casing are wholly inconsistent with Zimmerman's story.
Which one?

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Since: Jan 12

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#1823 Jun 15, 2013
Wait what wrote:
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Right. Let's take a look at how people are outing themselves, shall we?
Prospective Juror G29
A 30-something black woman, G29 is a fan of the Philips Phile on 104.1 in Orlando, a liberal talk radio show that had Al Sharpton on while he was in town. Like nearly all jurors that have made it through the questionnaire round she says she does not have a firm opinion of the case and is willing to set it aside any knowledge of it that isn’t presented in court. Her recollection of the event was more slanted than the other jurors, recalling that Mr. Martin “went to go buy something from the gas station and Mr. Zimmerman perceived him to be a threat so he got out of his car and started harassing him. He thought he was perhaps racial profiling, that’s where I got the whole race thing from.” She recalled that the Facebook comments she saw were “favorable to Mr. Martin.” She said she had no problems being sequestered for the duration of the trial. She also affirmed that she would base her verdict on the evidence presented in the court room. Interestingly, it was then revealed that she had posted her summons to appear for jury service on her Facebook page. When asked why, she simply said,“it was just something to do.” She also mentioned that she’s lived in Seminole county for only the past 8 months. She recalled the shooting being described as either murder or an accident, and did not mention hearing self-defense as a possible explanation.
http://legalinsurrection.com/2013/06/zimmerma...
That is not outing. That is responding to the individual voire dire with regard to the prospective jurors exposure to and beliefs based on what they have heard through the media.

A number of prospective jurors have been eliminated, however two were most likely eliminated because they demnstrated an obvious bias. One was the Facebook poster. The other was a woman who stated that she believed Zimmerman to be innoceent and Trayvon to be on the wrong path and among the wrong crowd (and lacking a present father). Some others were presumably eliminated due to the hardship presented by sequestration.

However, Don West forced the elimination of a juror by revealing where she worked. The question is, was this intentional, or merely sloppy? Particularly considering the defense insistence on an anonymous jury--for their protection.

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#1824 Jun 15, 2013
Maybe wrote:
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Which one?
Good question, but all of them.

He has stood by his claim that he went straight from his truck to the next street over (not "following," merely going in the same direction) to get an address, and then turning around and returning directly to the truck--but being jumped on the way.

From the location of phone and flashlight, it would appear that he turned south when he reached the other street and continued walking south past several houses before cutting back into the dogwalk area, where he met with Trayvon and the phone and flashlight were dropped in scuffle/chase. They moved north (confirmed by an eye witness) to the place where the body was found.

Zimmerman's tale is that he reached the street and turned back to the truck by the same path, intercepted at the "t" where the 2 sidewalks meet. There he was knocked to the ground with one blow and pinned--receiving blows and being smothered until he remembered the gun and shot. He cannot account for how the body ended up where it did. He also claims he held Trayvon's arms spread-eagled in order to keep him from being able to reach a weapon that Zimmerman believed he had (Z. claims he did not believe he had actually shot him, only scared him into submission). Trayvon's hands were found underneath him.

Whatever else anyone wants to believe, Zimmerman's narrative does not fit the facts.

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