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Dublin, OH

#1785 Jun 14, 2013
FKA Reader wrote:
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The state has not offered any bargains. This is a pretty good measure of their faith in the case. And they have seen all the evidence.
BTW, are you still calling Trayvon the plaintiff?
I think you are confusing what happens in a police station with what happens in a trial. And there is no deadline for introducing evidence.

“Ludibrium est onus genio”

Since: Dec 11

Planet Earth

#1786 Jun 14, 2013
FKA Reader wrote:
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There's the gun, the bullet, the body.
None of which are indicative of any kind of chase.

“Ludibrium est onus genio”

Since: Dec 11

Planet Earth

#1787 Jun 14, 2013
It only indicates that they were together at the time and place of the killing, not the path either of them took to get to that point.

“Ludibrium est onus genio”

Since: Dec 11

Planet Earth

#1788 Jun 14, 2013
FKA Reader wrote:
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His attorney cannot use a question to introduce any facts not inevidence.
You seem to be wanting the attorney to ask witnesses to speculate.
No speculation at all. A simple question that has a definite answer. Yes or no.
Wait what

Dublin, OH

#1789 Jun 14, 2013
FKA Reader wrote:
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You better hope that his defense team has something better than that.
I don believe they do, though.
Read this. All of it. And be sure to read the comments:

http://legalinsurrection.com/2013/06/zimmerma...

Apologies to Tip if this is already posted and I missed it.

“Bullsh*% Detector Enabled”

Since: Dec 08

Brooklyn, New York

#1790 Jun 15, 2013
-Clayton Bigsby wrote:
Hey Reader...your agitators are acting up again:

Dismissed Zimmerman juror escorted from courthouse after trespassing

Potential juror previously had been caught posting on anti-Zimmerman Facebook page and was upset his name was reported in the media.
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Readers will recall the curious case of prospective juror E7 that occurred this past Wednesday, Zimmerman Prosp. Juror E7:“no conclusions,” but posted on pro-Trayvon, anti-Zimmerman site containing threat against Zimmerman.

That prospective juror since has been identified in the media as Jerry P. Counelis.

Here is the message he posted on a Facebook page belonging to the “Coffee Party Progressives” which was the subject of court questioning:
http://legalinsurrection.com/wp-content/uploa...

As reported by Central Florida News 13:

A potential juror in the George Zimmerman trial who was dismissed earlier in the week over a Facebook post has been escorted from the Seminole County Criminal Justice Center after showing back up to the courthouse Friday.

According to news reports, Counelis had come to complain that his anonymity had been violated, and that he was hiring an lawyer, Deputies escort dismissed George Zimmerman juror from courthouse

A previously dismissed potential juror in the George Zimmerman second-degree murder trial was escorted off courthouse property by the Seminole County Sheriff’s Office on Friday and warned he could be arrested for trespassing if he returns.

SCSO tells Local 6 they “trespassed one of the dismissed jurors” from courthouse property.

The potential juror, 55-year-old unemployed painter and guitar player Jerry Counelis, was eliminated from the jury pool on Wednesday after defense attorneys found a posting from him on a Facebook page from 2012.

Counelis was at the courthouse on Friday during the lunch hour complaining about his anonymity and saying he is hiring an attorney. He was trespassed by authorities after about 30 minutes.

This highlights the problems of jury selection in a high profile case, where the jury pool is tainted by media publicity and predetermined opinions.

Counelis also is likely to experience the Streisand Effect, whereby his protests generate even more notoriety than the initial publicity.
http://legalinsurrection.com/2013/06/dismisse...
George is going to rot in prison, prison wife.

Who will be your super hero then, barnyard? Karl Rove? Hitler? Sean Hannity? Any toothless redneck that can spit in a can and change your pickup truck oil at the same time?

Yeah, I think the last one will work for you, prison wife.

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Since: Dec 08

Brooklyn, New York

#1791 Jun 15, 2013
You brainless rednecks are putting a lot of energy into Zimmerman's well being.

You know he's going to prison, right?

LOL!!! I bet some of you have sent him naked pictures already.

Pathetic.
Pale Rider

Covington, KY

#1792 Jun 15, 2013
Black Rhino wrote:
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George is going to rot in prison, prison wife.
Who will be your super hero then, barnyard? Karl Rove? Hitler? Sean Hannity? Any toothless redneck that can spit in a can and change your pickup truck oil at the same time?
Yeah, I think the last one will work for you, prison wife.
The truth may not be told in court, but Rhino will tell it here.

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Since: Dec 08

Brooklyn, New York

#1793 Jun 15, 2013
Pale Rider wrote:
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The truth may not be told in court, but Rhino will tell it here.
With your help, sir.

Teaching these imbeciles the truth is a big job. Thanks for your posts as well.
Anonymous

Japan

#1794 Jun 15, 2013
Black Rhino wrote:
You brainless rednecks are putting a lot of energy into Zimmerman's well being.
You know he's going to prison, right?
LOL!!! I bet some of you have sent him naked pictures already.
Pathetic.
Amen. Justice needs to be served. It is a pathetic standard for the U.S. if he isn't guilty of murder.

“Don't trust the internet!”

Since: Jan 12

Location hidden

#1795 Jun 15, 2013
TonyD2 wrote:
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No, "looking at all the houses".
In a housing development, what is there to look at besides houses?

If he was going up and looking into windows, or had stationed himself to watch comings and goings, perhaps.

But what we have is an incredibly vague and subjective indictment of normal behavior. When pressed for details, Zimmmerman stays vague (I don't know what his deal is), reiterating 'he's black,' and adding that he has something in his hands.

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#1796 Jun 15, 2013
Wait what wrote:
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Read this. All of it. And be sure to read the comments:
http://legalinsurrection.com/2013/06/zimmerma...
Apologies to Tip if this is already posted and I missed it.
Nice article--comments clearly biased toward Zimmerman.

The author seems to think that immunity from prosecution is likely to come up at trial. While I do believe that O'Mara has held this out as a possibility, the author did not note that this is without precedent. Zimmerman has already passed on the opportunity for a pre-trial hearing on immunity. One problem trying to bring this up during trial is that the burden in showing immunity is on the defense--something that folks posting here are having difficulty with.

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#1797 Jun 15, 2013
Wait what wrote:
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I think you are confusing what happens in a police station with what happens in a trial. And there is no deadline for introducing evidence.
Huh?

Police don't offer plea deals.

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#1798 Jun 15, 2013
TonyD2 wrote:
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He doesn't have to have a preponderance of the evidence, the prosecution does. Damn you're dense.
The burden for self defense immunity rests with the defense and the standard is a preponderance of evidence. Zimmerman elected NOTto present at a pre-trial immunity hearing. His team seams to believe that this can be 'folded in' to the trial. There is no precedent for this in Florida.

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#1799 Jun 15, 2013
TonyD2 wrote:
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I believe that no person can, with any instruction, forget what they have already heard. They can CLAIM they won't/didn't consider it, but there's no way to prove whether they considered it or not.
Despite what you may think, you really can't un-ring a bell.
So, you are betting on the success of O'Mara's poisoning of the jury pool?

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#1800 Jun 15, 2013
TonyD2 wrote:
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Regarding the defendant's burden of proof of self defense in Florida.
"The defendant in Murray was charged with aggravated battery and asserted that his use of force was necessary to prevent his roommates commission of an aggravated battery. Similar to this case, the trial court instructed the jury that Murray had to prove the elements of aggravated battery beyond a reasonable doubt. Likewise, as in this case, the jury was instructed that if th0ere was a reasonable doubt about whether or not Murray was justified in using deadly force, they should find him not guilty. In reversing the conviction, the court noted that Murray laid upon himself a requisite of producing evidence of the additional facts necessary for his defense of justification. Id. It further questioned the nature of that burden:
But, with these additional facts, did he also incur a burden of proof identical to the States? That is, did he have to prove the additional facts for self-defense beyond a reasonable doubt? Or was he instead bound by some lesser standard-say, the greater weight of the evidence? Indeed, how about something even less onerous than that? Was he merely obligated to lay the additional facts before the jury, without any burden as to the strength of their probative value-other than they might be true?
[ 61 So.3d 427 ]
The answer is this. No, he did not have to prove self-defense beyond a reasonable doubt. He did not have to prove even that his additional facts were more likely true than not. The real nature of his burden concerning his defense of justification is that his evidence of additional facts need merely leave the jury with a reasonable doubt about whether he was justified in using deadly force. Hence, if he wanted his self-defense to be considered, it was necessary to present evidence that his justification might be true. It would then be up to the jury to decide whether his evidence produced a reasonable doubt about his claim of self-defense."
http://lawofselfdefense.com/law_case/montijo-...
1. The defendent still needs to present his narrative--not simply assume that there MIGHT be one out there somewhere.

2. Zimmerman's narrative can be shown to be not just unlikely, but actually false, impossible, using the available evidence.

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#1801 Jun 15, 2013
TonyD2 wrote:
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She believes that anything Martin may have done was in HIS self-defense.
With regard to the allegation of head banging, I believe it to be unsubstantiated by the evidence--starting with the medical reports.

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#1802 Jun 15, 2013
Wait what wrote:
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I never called Trayvon the plaintiff.
What was your point when you objected to calling Trayvon the victim?

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#1803 Jun 15, 2013
TonyD2 wrote:
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What good are sanctions AFTER the trial?
In the case of the first set of charges the judge already ruled that there was no impact on Z's ability to receive a fair tral. She is simply putting her foot down with regard to multiple stalling tactics by the defense.

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#1804 Jun 15, 2013
TonyD2 wrote:
It only indicates that they were together at the time and place of the killing, not the path either of them took to get to that point.
The location of the phone and flashlight, the body and shell casing are wholly inconsistent with Zimmerman's story.

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