The George Zimmerman Case!

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Ah, earlier than me. I bet you were going through withdrawal before 2 p.m.
Most people are hungry by 2:00 PM...I would think that a full figured woman like yourself could relate to that.

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lol...do you think I give a hoot about being precise on here? This thing is a joke and hardly worthy of any real attention of mine. That you don't see the difference between wasting some time when I'm bored or on a break and actually putting my mind to something proves how much of an idiot you are and that you're incapable of thinking deeply about something.
My medical students are very happy with my work, which is why they keep employing me. I never said I made six figures. I said I get paid $60/hr for one of my jobs and that's the truth. I have my full-time job, I freelance and I tutor. I do quite well, George. Don't you worry your little head about me. Just keep trucking on Topix.
Oh, I see. You grant yourself immunity while critiquing the posts of others like a frustrated spinster schoolmarm.

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Oh. My. Gawd.
Your reply to Reader doesn't even begin to convey the appropriate response to her persistent ignorance.

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Hey Reader...your agitators are acting up again:

Dismissed Zimmerman juror escorted from courthouse after trespassing

Potential juror previously had been caught posting on anti-Zimmerman Facebook page and was upset his name was reported in the media.
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Readers will recall the curious case of prospective juror E7 that occurred this past Wednesday, Zimmerman Prosp. Juror E7:“no conclusions,” but posted on pro-Trayvon, anti-Zimmerman site containing threat against Zimmerman.

That prospective juror since has been identified in the media as Jerry P. Counelis.

Here is the message he posted on a Facebook page belonging to the “Coffee Party Progressives” which was the subject of court questioning:
http://legalinsurrection.com/wp-content/uploa...

As reported by Central Florida News 13:

A potential juror in the George Zimmerman trial who was dismissed earlier in the week over a Facebook post has been escorted from the Seminole County Criminal Justice Center after showing back up to the courthouse Friday.

According to news reports, Counelis had come to complain that his anonymity had been violated, and that he was hiring an lawyer, Deputies escort dismissed George Zimmerman juror from courthouse

A previously dismissed potential juror in the George Zimmerman second-degree murder trial was escorted off courthouse property by the Seminole County Sheriff’s Office on Friday and warned he could be arrested for trespassing if he returns.

SCSO tells Local 6 they “trespassed one of the dismissed jurors” from courthouse property.

The potential juror, 55-year-old unemployed painter and guitar player Jerry Counelis, was eliminated from the jury pool on Wednesday after defense attorneys found a posting from him on a Facebook page from 2012.

Counelis was at the courthouse on Friday during the lunch hour complaining about his anonymity and saying he is hiring an attorney. He was trespassed by authorities after about 30 minutes.

This highlights the problems of jury selection in a high profile case, where the jury pool is tainted by media publicity and predetermined opinions.

Counelis also is likely to experience the Streisand Effect, whereby his protests generate even more notoriety than the initial publicity.
http://legalinsurrection.com/2013/06/dismisse...

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In fact, there are several eye-witnesses.
And you are making the presumption that experts will contradict one another. Haven't heard them (except for the audiologists--and we haven't heard all of them yet) yet.
And there are some phone records and texts that will be admissible that have not yet been made public.
You're right, Reader.
The experts from both sides will agree on everything.

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Tony and tip seem to think that the process assumes that Zimmerman acted in self defense unless the state can prove otherwise.
This is not an automatic assumption. The defense will have to make a presentation supporting that claim. And that is going to be incredibly difficult to even get into the courtroom unless they put their client on the stand. And there is a fair amount of physical evidence that contradicts the story as he has generally told it. He could change the story to better fit the facts, but then the prosecution could pull in all of his previous statements and make him account for them.
Thick as a two-ton brick.
Go to your local taxpayer-funded library and check out:

"Law for Dummies"

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I don't believe that the evidence suggests that this ever happened.
Suggestions are not equal to proof beyond a reasonable doubt.
Name one eyewitness who observed the attack from start to finish.

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Hey Reader...your agitators are acting up again:
Dismissed Zimmerman juror escorted from courthouse after trespassing
Potential juror previously had been caught posting on anti-Zimmerman Facebook page and was upset his name was reported in the media.
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Readers will recall the curious case of prospective juror E7 that occurred this past Wednesday, Zimmerman Prosp. Juror E7:“no conclusions,” but posted on pro-Trayvon, anti-Zimmerman site containing threat against Zimmerman.
That prospective juror since has been identified in the media as Jerry P. Counelis.
Here is the message he posted on a Facebook page belonging to the “Coffee Party Progressives” which was the subject of court questioning:
http://legalinsurrection.com/wp-content/uploa...
As reported by Central Florida News 13:
A potential juror in the George Zimmerman trial who was dismissed earlier in the week over a Facebook post has been escorted from the Seminole County Criminal Justice Center after showing back up to the courthouse Friday.
According to news reports, Counelis had come to complain that his anonymity had been violated, and that he was hiring an lawyer, Deputies escort dismissed George Zimmerman juror from courthouse
A previously dismissed potential juror in the George Zimmerman second-degree murder trial was escorted off courthouse property by the Seminole County Sheriff’s Office on Friday and warned he could be arrested for trespassing if he returns.
SCSO tells Local 6 they “trespassed one of the dismissed jurors” from courthouse property.
The potential juror, 55-year-old unemployed painter and guitar player Jerry Counelis, was eliminated from the jury pool on Wednesday after defense attorneys found a posting from him on a Facebook page from 2012.
Counelis was at the courthouse on Friday during the lunch hour complaining about his anonymity and saying he is hiring an attorney. He was trespassed by authorities after about 30 minutes.
This highlights the problems of jury selection in a high profile case, where the jury pool is tainted by media publicity and predetermined opinions.
Counelis also is likely to experience the Streisand Effect, whereby his protests generate even more notoriety than the initial publicity.
http://legalinsurrection.com/2013/06/dismisse...
I'm not going to defend the guy, because he sounded a bit loopy to me, in the parts that I heard.

But, you gotta wonder about how his name got to the media. Particularly since the defense was so hot to have a completely anonymous jury.

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Suggestions are not equal to proof beyond a reasonable doubt.
Name one eyewitness who observed the attack from start to finish.
Are you under the impression that any crime with no eye witnesses who obnserved from start to finish must be dismissed adjudged "not guilty"?

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You're right, Reader.
The experts from both sides will agree on everything.
O.M.G.
While one may presume that there are "experts" available to testify to almost anything, such is not likely to be the case. And each one is subject to cross examination.

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Are you under the impression that any crime with no eye witnesses who obnserved from start to finish must be dismissed adjudged "not guilty"?
Too tired to drive to the library?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Presumption_of_i...

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While one may presume that there are "experts" available to testify to almost anything, such is not likely to be the case. And each one is subject to cross examination.
Defense will call a rebuttal expert for each state expert.
Neither, however, will prove much of anything.

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As stated previously in this thread, many legal experts -- including the former president of the National Assn. of Criminal Defense Lawyers -- were surprised by the charge. It is their opinion that Prosecutor Angela Corey leveled a charge she cannot prove solely to coerce Zimmerman to plead to a lesser charge.

He didn't bite...even with a possible 25-year sentence.
And now...Angela's toast.

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"It will be astonishing if George Zimmerman is convicted of second-degree murder for shooting 17-year-old Trayvon Martin.

Not that Zimmerman was right to the pull the trigger, but that particular charge will be extremely difficult to prove. Why Special Prosecutor Angela Corey didn’t file for manslaughter instead has lots of smart lawyers scratching their heads.

Perhaps it’s a strategic move aimed at nudging Zimmerman toward a plea bargain, but in the meantime her decision only serves to raise expectations among the many — outraged and grieving — who’d been calling for Zimmerman’s arrest."

-- Carl Hiaasen

Hope DHS has armed Florida well with their recently acquired civilian population control equipment...

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Too tired to drive to the library?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Presumption_of_i...
I don't see where wiki says that eye witness testimony is the only form of evidence that may be used to bring about a conviction.

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Defense will call a rebuttal expert for each state expert.
Neither, however, will prove much of anything.
Perhaps.

What kind of expert do you think will be able to explain the location of the body, Zimmerman's flashlight and Trayvon's phone?

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I don't see where wiki says that eye witness testimony is the only form of evidence that may be used to bring about a conviction.
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The point was that the evidence is circumstantial.

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Perhaps.
What kind of expert do you think will be able to explain the location of the body, Zimmerman's flashlight and Trayvon's phone?
Don't know and don't care.
Not one of them proves the elements of Murder Two.

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As stated previously in this thread, many legal experts -- including the former president of the National Assn. of Criminal Defense Lawyers -- were surprised by the charge. It is their opinion that Prosecutor Angela Corey leveled a charge she cannot prove solely to coerce Zimmerman to plead to a lesser charge.
He didn't bite...even with a possible 25-year sentence.
And now...Angela's toast.
I believe that there were questions originally. However much more evidence has been made public since that time.

If the state had a weak case, it is very likely that this would end with a plea. I don't see any indication that it is going that way.

If the defense had a strong case, on the other hand, they would not have put so much time and effort into the release of prejudicial materials that they know they will never be able to bring into court. And, in addition to the way the evidence stacks up, the defense team didn't come into the picture until after Zimmerman had made a number of damaging statements to the police.

Not to mention the difficulties inherent in Zimmerman's family members launching attacks on every black person in American in the name of demonstrating their lack of family prejudice. Zimmerman Sr. has just published a book in which he blames the Boston Marathon bombing on Eric Holder's use of resources to investigate the SPD handling of this case. Also lists as "racist" organizations the Congressional Black Caucus, the NAACP, United Negro College Fund and a number of others. And we already know about Rober Jr.s drunken twitter rants.

I cannot predict the outcome. But I most definitely hold an opinion with regard to what I think it should be.

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FKA Reader wrote:
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...If the state had a weak case, it is very likely that this would end with a plea...
Arse-backwards, darling.

The state's weak case provides every reason for the defense not to seek a plea bargain.

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