Neutral Party

Evansville, IN

#5402 Jul 12, 2013
What trial are you watching, Fry Queen? Liar, aggressor?

You thought OJ was innocent too.

Zimmerman is innocent of murder, manslaughter or whatever they make up.

Both men were guilty of poor judgement in a situation that ended a life.
Neutral Party

Evansville, IN

#5403 Jul 12, 2013
And congrats on winning your 7th straight Fry eating contest in Warsaw KY July 4!

12 lbs of fries in 10 minutes is quite a feat!

“Bullsh*% Detector Enabled”

Since: Dec 08

Brooklyn, New York

#5404 Jul 12, 2013
-Clayton Bigsby wrote:
<quoted text>Why didn't Ashtray go home? His body lay 210 feet from his father's girlfriend's front door.
Dumb George was the adult in that situation.

Shows Zimmerman's level of intelligence to argue with a teenager.

“Where did I put my tiara?”

Since: Dec 11

Columbus, OH

#5405 Jul 12, 2013
Enzyte Bob wrote:
<quoted text>
I'm not a criminal law expert, but it seems to me that putting someone on trial without probable cause is not a whole lot different from having Zimmerman have to prove his innocence as opposed to the State having to prove his guilt.
It just seems unfair that we have lawless apparatchiks running around making these kinds of decisions.
Glad you started opining again on this case. Although not your expertise, your insight is great. No different than if someone asked me about pediatric nutrition, not my forte, but could give advice. Thanks Bobby.

“Where did I put my tiara?”

Since: Dec 11

Columbus, OH

#5406 Jul 12, 2013
Bobby, want your opinion about going after lesser charges.
Enzyte Bob

United States

#5407 Jul 12, 2013
sounded wrong at first. but I later found out that this is normal in Florida and it is not uncommon for the judge to grant such a request to the prosecution
no one

Hilliard, OH

#5410 Jul 12, 2013
Pale Rider wrote:
1.“These A-holes, they always get away."
2. Pursue
3. Lied
4. 204 lbs./ 158 lbs.
5. Man is stronger at 28 years of age verses a boy that had just turned 17 years old.
6. We have to fill in the part for the DEAD 17 year old. He can't testify.
Ur really smart :)
no one

Hilliard, OH

#5411 Jul 12, 2013
Pale Rider wrote:
<quoted text>What is your opinion? Have you ever been in a real fight? The young boy, zigged and zagged. Where was Zimmerman?
I get in trouble at school for fighting I always get beat up and when the teacher calls dad hits me
no one

Hilliard, OH

#5412 Jul 12, 2013
Duke for Mayor wrote:
<quoted text>Why?

woof
exactly
no one

Hilliard, OH

#5413 Jul 12, 2013
Pale Rider wrote:
<quoted text>This is true, those lawyers, wouldn't know the first thing about a fight. What will those women(jury)know about a fight, about as much as I know about landing a Boeing 727.
u must be really tuff and specially scary

“animis opibusque parati”

Since: Oct 12

Location hidden

#5414 Jul 12, 2013
Why Zimmerman Prosecutors Should Be Disbarred

http://www.americanthinker.com/2013/07/why_th...

***

Unbelievable.
Let's not forget Nelson also.

“Ludibrium est onus genio”

Since: Dec 11

Planet Earth

#5417 Jul 12, 2013
Duke for Mayor wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes.
woof
I'd like to see that law.

“Ludibrium est onus genio”

Since: Dec 11

Planet Earth

#5418 Jul 12, 2013
Duke for Mayor wrote:
<quoted text>
Joking Tony.
What I'm saying is that if you start a fight, you shouldn't be surprised if lethal forced gets used against you, and suddenly, you find yourself employing self defense.
woof
As you would have the right to do.

“Ludibrium est onus genio”

Since: Dec 11

Planet Earth

#5419 Jul 12, 2013
Pale Rider wrote:
<quoted text>
Who in the hell really cares what the prosecution proved or not proved.
Everyone should, because if we didn't have the concept of prosecutorial proof, a lot more innocent people would be convicted.

"It is better that ten guilty persons escape than that one innocent suffer" - Blackstone
Just because a Black boy died, is no excuse to kill someone. Where is common sense?
Prosecution proved Zimmerman to be a liar.
Perhaps, but they DIDN'T prove that he didn't defend himself.
Prosecution proved Zimmerman was the aggressor.
Perhaps, but they DIDN'T prove that he didn't defend himself.
A bullet killed an innocent teen that night, a teen that had committed no crime that night.
If he struck Zimmerman first, that's a crime.
There is some talk that Travon, had smoked marijuana. What teen today hasn't? There was no way Zimmerman knew that, he was only guessing. Those trace amounts were not near the drugs George W. Bush has done in his lifetime. They all but zapped his mind, no wonder he was a babbling fool in the White House.
The prosecution, made a compelling case of murder.
Not to a discerning mind.
I wonder why the Court didn't ask Zimmerman to make a scream like that on the tape.
Read the fifth amendment.
Give him 5 tries. That scream was a kid, not some man.
I hope they put the killer away for at least 20 years. We can't allow someone to walk, when he has killed without cause. It will surely set a poor example for murder cases across America for years to come, if he walks.
No it won't. Each will be judged according to the evidence presented.

“Ludibrium est onus genio”

Since: Dec 11

Planet Earth

#5420 Jul 12, 2013
Pale Rider wrote:
<quoted text>
We all know he was in Florida you stupid fool. And you have the gumption, to write about the prosecution. Just about the time I think you are fairly smart Tony D2, you write something real stupid. You remind me of French Checker Players, they start real good, then before the game has ended, they play real stupid. That is you Tony like a French Checker Player. Your ignorance only tells me, you didn't pay any attention to what the Prosecution was saying.
What he said, a lot, was "Could have" or "May have".

“Ludibrium est onus genio”

Since: Dec 11

Planet Earth

#5421 Jul 12, 2013
When the judge forced Zimmerman to answer the question of whether or not he was going to testify, she violated his Miranda rights.

If he was going to testify, he would have been called, if he wasn't, the defense would have rested, therefore the question was totally unnecessary and improper.

What I don't know is if the jury was in the room at the time the question was asked. If they were, it could have influenced them as to Zimmerman's credibility.

Appealable issue?
Duke for Mayor

Akron, OH

#5422 Jul 12, 2013
GlitterSucks wrote:
Bobby, want your opinion about going after lesser charges.
Its a "lesser included charge", which means that when one is charged with the greater offense, all of the elements of the lesser charge are also elements required to be proven to obtain a conviction for the greater charge as well.

woof
Duke for Mayor

Akron, OH

#5423 Jul 12, 2013
TonyD2 wrote:
When the judge forced Zimmerman to answer the question of whether or not he was going to testify, she violated his Miranda rights.
If he was going to testify, he would have been called, if he wasn't, the defense would have rested, therefore the question was totally unnecessary and improper.
What I don't know is if the jury was in the room at the time the question was asked. If they were, it could have influenced them as to Zimmerman's credibility.
Appealable issue?
I don't believe the jury was seated in the courtroom at the time.

woof
Duke for Mayor

Akron, OH

#5424 Jul 12, 2013
TonyD2 wrote:
<quoted text>
As you would have the right to do.
Look at it from both actors' perspectives. Soon as Martin saw the gun he was likely within his right to defend himself with lethal force.

Zimmerman cannot escape the fact that it was his actions that solely initiated the altercation.

woof
Enzyte Bob

Reynoldsburg, OH

#5425 Jul 12, 2013
Duke for Mayor wrote:
<quoted text>
Its a "lesser included charge", which means that when one is charged with the greater offense, all of the elements of the lesser charge are also elements required to be proven to obtain a conviction for the greater charge as well.
woof
I should have explained that, too. all the legal wags seem to be aghast at this revelation, so I assumed at first there was something odd happening.

I think the more important point here is the regularity of doing things this way in practice. If the concept of a "lesser included charge" is rare in Florida, then the defense has a legitimate beef if they weren't given enough notice so they could prepare to address a manslaughter conviction.

But since it seems that this is common practice in Florida, it seems that they should have already been prepared to counter a manslaughter charge at trial.

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