Pale Rider

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#26 Apr 8, 2013
VADoc wrote:
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Wow you say everything I say is a lie then you spew more lies of your own then insult me. You prove you have no debate skills or the ability to frame an argument. You really are a childish troll. I can't say it's your fault though. I mean if you idolize people like Obama this is just considered normal behavior. Lie, insult, lie, play the victim, lie some more, insult some more.
So will you be rioting with all the other idiots when Zimmerman walks?
Zimmerman is going to prison.
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#27 Apr 8, 2013
Reality Speaks wrote:
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ZERO....if the law is followed.
and exactly what did a homeowners association have to do with this case?
every time there is a shooting downtown, the criminals parents sue the city, and whoever owns the land under the person shot?
if in a car accident on the interstate, don't forget to sue the federal government for building a road so dangerous you wrecked.
The home owners hired a man. A man just to watch the neighborhood. What they didn't know, was they hired a man with a gun, that would kill.

Your problem Reality, you come up with stuff, that makes no sense what so ever. Stuff that has nothing to do with this murder case. Nothing that would sway a juror. You write to be writing. Nothing from nothing leaves you out Reality.
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#28 Apr 8, 2013
VADoc wrote:
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Wow you say everything I say is a lie then you spew more lies of your own then insult me. You prove you have no debate skills or the ability to frame an argument. You really are a childish troll. I can't say it's your fault though. I mean if you idolize people like Obama this is just considered normal behavior. Lie, insult, lie, play the victim, lie some more, insult some more.
So will you be rioting with all the other idiots when Zimmerman walks?
Can you handle someone that says you tell lies VaDoc? You don't have any facts. When you do, they aren't true.
Babs

Valley City, OH

#29 Apr 8, 2013
Pale Rider wrote:
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The home owners hired a man. A man just to watch the neighborhood. What they didn't know, was they hired a man with a gun, that would kill.
Your problem Reality, you come up with stuff, that makes no sense what so ever. Stuff that has nothing to do with this murder case. Nothing that would sway a juror. You write to be writing. Nothing from nothing leaves you out Reality.
You say Trayvon was murdered but answer this truthfully. Would Trayvon have still been shot if the first words from him to Zimmerman were "Yes sir, What can I do for you?"

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#30 Apr 8, 2013
VADoc wrote:
In Florida just like in South Carolina if you assault someone be ready to take a bullet. Martin is dead because he assaulted someone. The most I would ever see Zimmerman getting is accidental manslaughter, but since they are trying him for 2nd degree murder most likely he will walk then be in financial ruin while Martin's parents enjoy their cash.
Now the question is when Zimmerman goes free do you think people will riot? I think they will.
The sad fact is if Martin had been white or Hispanic and a black watch captain had shot him this wouldn't even be anything more than local news. Sort of like how we heard little over the white child burned alive by a group of black youths or the girl who was carjacked and gang raped for several hours by some black youths while they drove around the city.
Interesting enough that not even a couple weeks after the Martin shooting a black man shot and killed a Hispanic man in Arizona at a drive they and nothing was said about it.
The problem, VA, is that the story of assault is a part of a narrative that does not match up with most of the physical evidence, including timelines established by the various 9/11 calls, DNA evidence, witness accounts, location of the body as well as various personal belongings from Trayvon and Zimmerman.

As a doctor, what kinds of wounds would you expect to see from multiple head-bashing against pavement? Would 2 <1/2" lacerations match up? Would a single blow to the nose--sufficient to knock the recipient to the ground--coupled with repeated blows to the face result in a handful of scratches?

Still more important, as a doc, if you were faced with those injuries, what would you SUPPOSE the injury producing mechanism to be? Without the accused's testimony, would you come up with repeated head-bashing, fist to the nose and multiple blows to the head? Or would you be more likely to suspect something more like scratches from pushing through bushes and briars?

And if you, as a first responder, had any reason to suspect "severe concussion" (the narrative being offered by some of Zimmerman's friends), what advice would you give before releasing the person? Because neither the EMTs nor Zimmerman's regular physician the next day seem to have recommended an MRI, nor did they note any particular symptoms commonly associated with severe head trauma.

And if someone told you that someone had pressed down so hard on their mouth and nose as to prevent their ability to breathe, would you expect the person doing the pressing to have picked up some bodily fluids--particularly from a vic with a bloody nose? None of Zimmerman's DNA was found on Trayvon's hands or sleeves.

Zimmerman's story of being attacked simply does not match with the physical evidence.

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#31 Apr 8, 2013
FKA Reader wrote:
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The problem, VA, is that the story of assault is a part of a narrative that does not match up with most of the physical evidence, including timelines established by the various 9/11 calls, DNA evidence, witness accounts, location of the body as well as various personal belongings from Trayvon and Zimmerman.
As a doctor, what kinds of wounds would you expect to see from multiple head-bashing against pavement? Would 2 <1/2" lacerations match up? Would a single blow to the nose--sufficient to knock the recipient to the ground--coupled with repeated blows to the face result in a handful of scratches?
Still more important, as a doc, if you were faced with those injuries, what would you SUPPOSE the injury producing mechanism to be? Without the accused's testimony, would you come up with repeated head-bashing, fist to the nose and multiple blows to the head? Or would you be more likely to suspect something more like scratches from pushing through bushes and briars?
And if you, as a first responder, had any reason to suspect "severe concussion" (the narrative being offered by some of Zimmerman's friends), what advice would you give before releasing the person? Because neither the EMTs nor Zimmerman's regular physician the next day seem to have recommended an MRI, nor did they note any particular symptoms commonly associated with severe head trauma.
And if someone told you that someone had pressed down so hard on their mouth and nose as to prevent their ability to breathe, would you expect the person doing the pressing to have picked up some bodily fluids--particularly from a vic with a bloody nose? None of Zimmerman's DNA was found on Trayvon's hands or sleeves.
Zimmerman's story of being attacked simply does not match with the physical evidence.
Once again, Reader accuses Zimmerman of having self-inflicted wounds.
Let's see you bash your own head and break your own nose. I'll give you 20% of the ticket sales.

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#32 Apr 8, 2013
Pale Rider wrote:
7. But later photos show a much different look to the nose, and back of head. Were they photoshoped? I believe they were. did the Police help him set up a quick defence? Did they punch him? Why the vast difference in Zimmerman getting out of cruiser, and later photos released? Why so many different looking poses, each one worse than the other, showing different wounds to the nose, back of head. Was it all staged to help George Zimmerman, by the Police?
One problem with that particular photo is that it travelled outside of the chain of evidence--so theoretically it could have been photoshopped. Which might keep it out of the courtroom, I don't know.

The other problem with it is that it could be harmful to the Zimmerman defense as easily as helpful. He seems to be bleeding from some facial scratches and a scratch on the end of his nose--not exactly indicating a broken nose. And, it is paired with a photo of the back of his head which plainly displays the lacerations (a laceration is a cut, not a scrape--which would be an abrasion)--which don't quite match up with a head being banged multiple times on pavement. Some have suggested embedded sprinklers in the grass, or scraping through hedges/bushes.

But the really interesting part is that the blood path is from the back of the head to the face--the direction it might take if Z. were straddled atop Trayvon--but not the other way around, as Z. claims it went down.

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#33 Apr 8, 2013
Hugh Victor Thompson III wrote:
<quoted text>Once again, Reader accuses Zimmerman of having self-inflicted wounds.
Let's see you bash your own head and break your own nose. I'll give you 20% of the ticket sales.
Never claimed self-inflicted--at least not intentionally.

But, the head wasn't bashed, there were two cuts to it. Could easily have come from pushing through a briar bush--and would be consistent with scratches to the front of the face.

As to the "broken nose," where is the medical evidence? No X-rays. No follow-up with ENT. No diagnosis of a broken nose.

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#34 Apr 8, 2013
VADoc wrote:
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1. They settled because it was cheaper than paying tons of defense fees. I'm sure the payout was about the same as the legal counsel would have caused.
2. He supposedly was walking back to his truck after that and the time of the shooting.
3. He said he broke off pursuit when told to
4. Moments away? A lot happened in that moment didn't it. A man was assaulted and had a broken nose and supposedly was having his head pounded off the pavement and someone was shot in self defense.
5. Pure speculation on your part and just racist drivel. I expect this from you though. Martin was shot in the chest at close range because he was on top of Zimmerman attacking him. He paid dearly for his assault.
6. So now you're a medical examiner now? Bruising isn't instant. And you want to talk about photos? How come the media and everyone else keeps putting up photos of Martin at a young wholesome age rather than how he looked on his recent Facebook page or at the time of the shooting.
8. And? No one is claiming he stole anything and Zimmerman was following a young black male wearing a hoodie outside in the heat. Profiling? Yeah. Do LEO's profile? Bet your ass they do. Street smart people follow their instincts too.
Any other questions?
Let's walk through some of this. Based on Z's police interview, the point at which he turned back to his truck would have, walking at a normal pace, place him at the "t" (where 2 sidewalks met and he claims the attack took place) 1-2 minutes before the end of the phone call. Had he gone straight back, he would have been in the truck before the call ended.

"A man was assaulted and had a broken nose and supposedly was having his head pounded off the pavement and someone was shot in self defense." Only according to the word of George Zimmerman. Please show where any medical record supports that statement.

"Martin was shot in the chest at close range because he was on top of Zimmerman attacking him." Multiple problems with this, from, how did Zimmerman free his hands to reach the gun to how on earth did he manage to pull it from his holster in that position? And the bullet trajectory was straight front to back, and Z. claims to have fully extended his arm to fire. Try to put two bodies in the proper position to accomplish this.

In addition, the bullet went through the hoodies at a point above where they would normally align with the body, and at much closer range--suggesting that they were being pulled (one has George's bloody thumbprint on the hem)--perhaps as Trayvon tried to escape.

Again--the presumption of assault is necessary to make this self-defense. And it simply does not look like it is going to hold up. Recall that Zimmerman's attorney cancelled the Self-Defense hearing and is going straight to trial.

BTW--an alternate theory regarding George's bloody nose is that while he used his left hand to keep Trayvon from running, the recoil from the gun hit him in the face.

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#35 Apr 8, 2013
FKA Reader wrote:
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Never claimed self-inflicted--at least not intentionally.
But, the head wasn't bashed, there were two cuts to it. Could easily have come from pushing through a briar bush--and would be consistent with scratches to the front of the face.
As to the "broken nose," where is the medical evidence? No X-rays. No follow-up with ENT. No diagnosis of a broken nose.
This is why people treat you the way they do, Reader:

ABC News Exclusive: Zimmerman Medical Report Shows Broken Nose, Lacerations After Trayvon Martin Shooting

A medical report compiled by the family physician of Trayvon Martin shooter George Zimmerman and obtained exclusively by ABC News found that Zimmerman was diagnosed with a "closed fracture" of his nose, a pair of black eyes, two lacerations to the back of his head and a minor back injury the day after he fatally shot Martin during an alleged altercation.
http://abcnews.go.com/US/george-zimmerman-med...

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#36 Apr 8, 2013
Big Johnson wrote:
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George knows that his mancrush Zimmerman is going down, and it makes him snappish.
Speaking of payments George, it is time you wrote another check to Zimmerman's defense/flight fund. He is going to need it!
George has a chronic problem backing the wrong horse.

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#37 Apr 8, 2013
Hugh Victor Thompson III wrote:
<quoted text>I'm looking forward to his lawsuit against NBC. He'd better file it soon...they're going to be finishing in sixth place once Leno is shown the door.
It has already been filed.

NBC wants to wait until the trial is over.

And it's pretty much a non-starter. Z's attorney filed it in hopes that NBC would settle fast and juice some bucks into the defense fund.

Z. doesn't have the $$ to take on NBC.

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#38 Apr 8, 2013
FKA Reader wrote:
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Let's walk through some of this. Based on Z's police interview, the point at which he turned back to his truck would have, walking at a normal pace, place him at the "t" (where 2 sidewalks met and he claims the attack took place) 1-2 minutes before the end of the phone call. Had he gone straight back, he would have been in the truck before the call ended.
"A man was assaulted and had a broken nose and supposedly was having his head pounded off the pavement and someone was shot in self defense." Only according to the word of George Zimmerman. Please show where any medical record supports that statement.
"Martin was shot in the chest at close range because he was on top of Zimmerman attacking him." Multiple problems with this, from, how did Zimmerman free his hands to reach the gun to how on earth did he manage to pull it from his holster in that position? And the bullet trajectory was straight front to back, and Z. claims to have fully extended his arm to fire. Try to put two bodies in the proper position to accomplish this.
In addition, the bullet went through the hoodies at a point above where they would normally align with the body, and at much closer range--suggesting that they were being pulled (one has George's bloody thumbprint on the hem)--perhaps as Trayvon tried to escape.
Again--the presumption of assault is necessary to make this self-defense. And it simply does not look like it is going to hold up. Recall that Zimmerman's attorney cancelled the Self-Defense hearing and is going straight to trial.
BTW--an alternate theory regarding George's bloody nose is that while he used his left hand to keep Trayvon from running, the recoil from the gun hit him in the face.
Reader, your last sentence proves just how you (like most gun grabbing leftists) are flat out ignorant about firearms.
You and Diana DeGette would have a great time at Panera...

"Rep. Diana DeGette came under fire for an egregiously incorrect statement last week.

And deservedly so.

The Denver Democrat, who's led the charge on many high-profile issues in her lengthy career in Washington, demonstrated complete ignorance of how gun magazines work during our forum on gun bills Tuesday, telling the audience that magazines are unusable after bullets have been fired."

Read more: Rep. Diana DeGette's self-inflicted wound - The Denver Post http://www.denverpost.com/opinioncolumnists/c...
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#39 Apr 8, 2013
VADoc wrote:
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6. So now you're a medical examiner now? Bruising isn't instant. And you want to talk about photos? How come the media and everyone else keeps putting up photos of Martin at a young wholesome age rather than how he looked on his recent Facebook page or at the time of the shooting.
A lot of stuff floating around the internet claiming to be from Trayvon's FB is not authenticated. There was some early stuff that came from the account of another person (different location and birthdate) with the same name. A Klan group claimed to have hacked into the account, which should raise suspicions right there. The press uses what is available--which includes the photos provided by family as well as anything else in the public record that can be verified (like driver's license and arrest photos).

For the record, what is a "young, wholesome age"?

Sounds like a bundle of pretty biased assumptions that tend to work against adolescents (particularly black male adolescents)

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#40 Apr 8, 2013
FKA Reader wrote:
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It has already been filed.
NBC wants to wait until the trial is over.
And it's pretty much a non-starter. Z's attorney filed it in hopes that NBC would settle fast and juice some bucks into the defense fund.
Z. doesn't have the $$ to take on NBC.
Really? I don't recall Richard Jewell coming from wealth.

Richard Jewell v. NBC

Jewell sued NBC News for this statement, made by Tom Brokaw: "The speculation is that the FBI is close to making the case. They probably have enough to arrest him right now, probably enough to prosecute him, but you always want to have enough to convict him as well. There are still some holes in this case".[12] Even though NBC stood by its story, the network agreed to pay Jewell $500,000.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Jewell#R...
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#41 Apr 8, 2013
Babs wrote:
<quoted text>You say Trayvon was murdered but answer this truthfully. Would Trayvon have still been shot if the first words from him to Zimmerman were "Yes sir, What can I do for you?"
The problem with your question is two fold.

1. Because he was black, and George Zimmerman isn't. My guess is you are White. Will you answer that question truthfully? As a White person, you think all black people owe you something, and should still be slaves, bow to your wishes like a trained dog.

2. The problem with your question is this:
No one knows for certain what was said. The correct reply would have been, when the Police dispatcher said, let our department take care of this. Had George Zimmerman, said, thanks, I am going home. I will leave it up to your Department to investigate, I am not qualified to do Police work. I am out of here.

Instead, he had to say something to the younger, weaker, Trayvon Martin to enrage him. He attacked the aggressor, agitator, knocking him to the ground. While he was frantically trying desperately to get his 9 MM pistol out. Trayvon Martin had hit him, bounced his head on the blacktop gently. The rest is a tragic story. An innocent your 17 year old was murdered.

For what?

1. Because he had on a hoodie?
2. Because he was black?

Young and innocent Trayvon Martin was on his way to his father's home. Shot like a dog, that wasn't on an owners leash.

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#42 Apr 8, 2013
FKA Reader wrote:
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George has a chronic problem backing the wrong horse.
I've proven here that you have a chronic problem when it comes to telling the truth.

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#43 Apr 8, 2013
Pale Rider wrote:
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The home owners hired a man. A man just to watch the neighborhood. What they didn't know, was they hired a man with a gun, that would kill.
Your problem Reality, you come up with stuff, that makes no sense what so ever. Stuff that has nothing to do with this murder case. Nothing that would sway a juror. You write to be writing. Nothing from nothing leaves you out Reality.
In fact, he wasn't hired, he was a volunteer member of a blockwatch. Conceptually, blockwatches are nothing more than groups of neighbors who agree to get to know one another and to keep an eye out for and report suspicious stuff.

I would imagine that what the HOA was accused of was knowing that Z. was going way beyond this and continued to refer people to him and to give verbal support to his "group," which may only have consisted of himself.

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#44 Apr 8, 2013
Hugh Victor Thompson III wrote:
<quoted text>Reader, your last sentence proves just how you (like most gun grabbing leftists) are flat out ignorant about firearms.
You and Diana DeGette would have a great time at Panera...
"Rep. Diana DeGette came under fire for an egregiously incorrect statement last week.
And deservedly so.
The Denver Democrat, who's led the charge on many high-profile issues in her lengthy career in Washington, demonstrated complete ignorance of how gun magazines work during our forum on gun bills Tuesday, telling the audience that magazines are unusable after bullets have been fired."
Read more: Rep. Diana DeGette's self-inflicted wound - The Denver Post http://www.denverpost.com/opinioncolumnists/c...
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Take a look at how George acts out the shooting for the police.

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#45 Apr 8, 2013
Hugh Victor Thompson III wrote:
<quoted text>I've proven here that you have a chronic problem when it comes to telling the truth.
Ooooooh! Witty comeback!

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