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Teapublican

Reynoldsburg, OH

#34 Aug 7, 2012
Fred Gee Sanford wrote:
Emails obtained by The Daily Caller show that the U.S. Treasury Department, led by Timothy Geithner, was the driving force behind terminating the pensions of 20,000 salaried retirees at the Delphi auto parts manufacturing company.
The move, made in 2009 while the Obama administration implemented its auto bailout plan, appears to have been made solely because those retirees were not members of labor unions.
The internal government emails contradict sworn testimony, in federal court and before Congress, given by several Obama administration figures. They also indicate that the administration misled lawmakers and the courts about the sequence of events surrounding the termination of those non-union pensions, and that administration figures violated federal law.
Delphi, a General Motors company, is one of the world’s largest automotive parts manufacturers. Twenty thousand of its workers lost nearly their entire pensions when the government bailed out GM. At the same time, Delphi employees who were members of the United Auto Workers union saw their pensions topped off and made whole.
Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2012/08/07/emails-geit...
SMD, GJH.

“Ludibrium est onus genio”

Since: Dec 11

Planet Earth

#35 Aug 7, 2012
Fred Gee Sanford wrote:
<quoted text>I'd be pissed if they hadn't. If I can spot it, then those who get paid to do so should be on the ball.
What's more interesting is that someone in the Obama administration may have broken the law to do it. Delphi went bankrupt, and their pension was hit, I get it. But to use bailout funds to restore benefits for only SOME retirees is pretty jacked! SOMEONE needs do be doin' TIME over this!
Teapublican

Reynoldsburg, OH

#38 Aug 7, 2012
Fred Gee Sanford wrote:
<quoted text>Poor little foreign punk...he loves Obama.
SMD, GJH.
Teapublican

Reynoldsburg, OH

#39 Aug 7, 2012
Fred Gee Sanford wrote:
<quoted text>Poor little foreign punk...he loves Obama.
Poor old red neck loser, he likes Ron Paul.

“Where did I put my tiara?”

Since: Dec 11

Columbus, OH

#42 Aug 8, 2012
WiseAmerican wrote:
<quoted text>You have it pegged and no humor is warranted. Once the teabaggers and incoming newly elected democrats get a taste of the lavishness and spoiled treatment of being "senator so &so" or congress person Jones or Smith, the arrogant attitude starts to set in. Human nature, as it is, knows no limits to self preservation and quest.
Agree with the exception that humor is always warranted, especially in today's day and age. Only way you can muddle through it.
Britneys dad Chuckn

Valley City, OH

#44 Aug 8, 2012
WiseAmerican wrote:
<quoted text>That belief and attitude that Nelson holds is exactly why our country is headed in the toilet now! No one in the suburbs wants their children to get their little hands dirty anymore! Your raising soft little effiminate boys who can't change a freakin bike tire, let alone a car tire! Your hubby and people like me are a vital asset to this country! If we keep it up only illegal foreign workers will be left to fix our plumbing, build our crumbling infrastructure, repair our homes and cars! Very, very rare will you'll see a carpenter or Hva/c tech transfer over to a financial conselor, or IT tech! This attitude of "I don't want to do what my dad did" is going to kill this country! Everyone can't sit behind a desk pushing a key pad, let's be realistic people. There's always going to be a need for electricians, plumbers, carpenters, Hva/c tech, general contractors, masons, welders, mechanics, metalist, machinist, appliance repairmen, painters, ect. We are killing the kinds of small businesses that built the middle class in America! You people need to remember that!
A very wise post indeed.

“Where did I put my tiara?”

Since: Dec 11

Columbus, OH

#45 Aug 8, 2012
WiseAmerican wrote:
<quoted text>That belief and attitude that Nelson holds is exactly why our country is headed in the toilet now! No one in the suburbs wants their children to get their little hands dirty anymore! Your raising soft little effiminate boys who can't change a freakin bike tire, let alone a car tire! Your hubby and people like me are a vital asset to this country! If we keep it up only illegal foreign workers will be left to fix our plumbing, build our crumbling infrastructure, repair our homes and cars! Very, very rare will you'll see a carpenter or Hva/c tech transfer over to a financial conselor, or IT tech! This attitude of "I don't want to do what my dad did" is going to kill this country! Everyone can't sit behind a desk pushing a key pad, let's be realistic people. There's always going to be a need for electricians, plumbers, carpenters, Hva/c tech, general contractors, masons, welders, mechanics, metalist, machinist, appliance repairmen, painters, ect. We are killing the kinds of small businesses that built the middle class in America! You people need to remember that!
Tone it down there salty one. I agree that tech trades need to be encouraged more than they are. My hubby has mentored my son, i.e. made him get his hands dirty. Difference, hubby was not interested in academia, my son is. Different path; my son will make a great Engineer because he was taught by his Dad. Aspiring to be his Dad's boss is not discouraged in this household.

BTW- my son volunteered at my nursing home for four years; works at his Dad's business; works at Chick-fil-A for the past two years and only missed two days of work; going to school on partial academic scholarship, has already been accepted into the college of Engineering; involved in Church; and will proudly serve our Country, ROTC for the past two years, continuing through college to join the Air Force as an officer.

Drink some water, flush that salt out of your system.
Wait what

Columbus, OH

#47 Aug 8, 2012
WiseAmerican wrote:
<quoted text>That belief and attitude that Nelson holds is exactly why our country is headed in the toilet now! No one in the suburbs wants their children to get their little hands dirty anymore! Your raising soft little effiminate boys who can't change a freakin bike tire, let alone a car tire! Your hubby and people like me are a vital asset to this country! If we keep it up only illegal foreign workers will be left to fix our plumbing, build our crumbling infrastructure, repair our homes and cars! Very, very rare will you'll see a carpenter or Hva/c tech transfer over to a financial conselor, or IT tech! This attitude of "I don't want to do what my dad did" is going to kill this country! Everyone can't sit behind a desk pushing a key pad, let's be realistic people. There's always going to be a need for electricians, plumbers, carpenters, Hva/c tech, general contractors, masons, welders, mechanics, metalist, machinist, appliance repairmen, painters, ect. We are killing the kinds of small businesses that built the middle class in America! You people need to remember that!
Lots of plumbers, mechanics, etc. live in places like Dublin. Just saying. Not sure where you get off in your rants, but they don't sound well-rounded.

“Yeeeeeeeessss!”

Since: Aug 12

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#49 Aug 8, 2012
WiseAmerican wrote:
This attitude of "I don't want to do what my dad did" is going to kill this country! Everyone can't sit behind a desk pushing a key pad, let's be realistic people. There's always going to be a need for electricians, plumbers, carpenters, Hva/c tech, general contractors, masons, welders, mechanics, metalist, machinist, appliance repairmen, painters, ect. We are killing the kinds of small businesses that built the middle class in America! You people need to remember that!
Well Da Shawn, it wasn't so much that "I don't want to do what my dad did" as much as it was the fact that MY DAD AND MOM DIDN'T WANT ME "to do what my dad did". And you know what? They were right. I've seen people on construction jobs - they are real dycks. Who wants some hillbilly pushing you around barking orders when you can either a) be the boss or b) be a subordinate but be treated with respect. You also tend to rub elbows with a higher level individual if you travel in those circles. Like I said, for me anything other than college was not an option.

Now, I understand that somebody has to do those jobs. I also understand that to be good at anything you need brains and talent. I also understand that some people enjoy that work. But for every electrician or carpenter that makes $100k a year, you have 10 that are making $15 an hour.

Let's put it this way - how many electricians and diesel mechanics live at Loch Lomond?

College is the way to go if that's what you're cut out for. There's nothing wrong with the other work, it's just that there are better ways to go.

“Yeeeeeeeessss!”

Since: Aug 12

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#50 Aug 8, 2012
Wait what wrote:
<quoted text>
Lots of plumbers, mechanics, etc. live in places like Dublin. Just saying. Not sure where you get off in your rants, but they don't sound well-rounded.
Ehhhhhhh .... some high performers do, but they are not the average. Dollar for dollar, getting an education and being in the management class is the way to go.

There is a lot of populist talk out there about how college degrees (especially law degrees) aren't worth the cost. DON'T BELIEVE IT, IT'S A BUNCH OF CRAP. They can always take your business or job away from you, but nobody can take your education away.

I will agree, however, that the obscene amount of debt people take on to go to school is ridiculous. In most cases, go to a state school, live at home and take on as little debt as possible.

“Yeeeeeeeessss!”

Since: Aug 12

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#51 Aug 8, 2012
WiseAmerican wrote:
<quoted text>Big loud applause for you son! Only one thing, he is the EXECPTION to todays attitude and rule. All too many kids I have mentored didn't know how to hold a pair of basic pliers with one hand, and couldn't name or know to use eight out of ten tools I've set before them, and that gives me alarm to our future "hands on trades"! My dad used to say that one day the youth won't be able to tell the difference between their head and a hole in the ground. I never understood what he meant by that but I'm guessing he meant they'll be pretty dense. I'm not "salty" I'm just concerned about the direction we're headed! Everyone wants to lead and no one wants to follow! If everyone's a boss, who the hell gonna do the work?
This may surprise you Rufus, but my dad used to take my brother and I along with him on his jobs ... PRIMARILY TO SHOW US WHAT A SH^TTY JOB HE HAD (construction). My brother and I both actually thought his job was kind of cool ... nevertheless, something must have sunk in because my parents ended up with a doctor and a lawyer as sons.

I am handy with tools ... slow and picky about my work (since I don't do it all the time), but still handy.

It's a fine balance sometimes between doing what you're cut out for, and aspiring for more. I always lean toward aspiring to do better.

Like I said, I have my snobby moments ... but were more geared toward myself not wanting to do that kind of work. I always aspired to do better. I never look down on people for working, though.\

.... And in case you haven't figured it out, it's your east side buddy, Bobby, under a new name.
Wait what

Columbus, OH

#52 Aug 8, 2012
Frank Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>
Ehhhhhhh .... some high performers do, but they are not the average. Dollar for dollar, getting an education and being in the management class is the way to go.
There is a lot of populist talk out there about how college degrees (especially law degrees) aren't worth the cost. DON'T BELIEVE IT, IT'S A BUNCH OF CRAP. They can always take your business or job away from you, but nobody can take your education away.
I will agree, however, that the obscene amount of debt people take on to go to school is ridiculous. In most cases, go to a state school, live at home and take on as little debt as possible.
Well, according to WiseA we here in the 'burbs don't want our sons to know how to change a car tire. Just pointing out that's not always the case.

“Yeeeeeeeessss!”

Since: Aug 12

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#53 Aug 8, 2012
Wait what wrote:
<quoted text>
Well, according to WiseA we here in the 'burbs don't want our sons to know how to change a car tire. Just pointing out that's not always the case.
I used to change my own oil until a couple of years ago, mostly because I'm a hands on guy and a little bit because of the cost. I stopped doing it because of the hassle of dumping oil, and the fact that it's almost cheaper these days to just have Firestone or Grismer do it with a coupon.

I paint and do some flooring and woodwork. I enjoy it for the mental release, but it's hard to take the time out of my real work to focus on a home remodeling project.(And to be honest, I leave too much money on the table at my real job so nothing ever gets done at home.)

“Ludibrium est onus genio”

Since: Dec 11

Planet Earth

#54 Aug 8, 2012
Frank Nelson wrote:
College is the way to go if that's what you're cut out for. There's nothing wrong with the other work, it's just that there are better ways to go.
Problems abound when one person attempts to define "better" for another. No matter how well-intentioned, they always have something of their own interests in the back of their mind.

“Yeeeeeeeessss!”

Since: Aug 12

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#55 Aug 8, 2012
TonyD2 wrote:
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Problems abound when one person attempts to define "better" for another. No matter how well-intentioned, they always have something of their own interests in the back of their mind.
There's also something to be said for pushing yourself and pushing your children to be their best.
VADoc

Warrenville, SC

#56 Aug 8, 2012
GlitterSucks wrote:
<quoted text>Majority of places want a Master's degree now too. I left off SLP on my other post because you need a Master's degree for that now to practice. Just don't want anyone to accuse me of not knowing what is needed for an ancillary medical profession to practice.
You could be like me. Hold a doctorate and a masters and two bachelors and could be making the same if not better money in the power plants with a high school education. Of course my education is portable so if I lost my job I have more mobility than others, but we don't value or reward education in this country anymore. Add the entitlement attitude and well college becomes a waste.

“Yeeeeeeeessss!”

Since: Aug 12

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#57 Aug 8, 2012
VADoc wrote:
<quoted text>
You could be like me. Hold a doctorate and a masters and two bachelors and could be making the same if not better money in the power plants with a high school education. Of course my education is portable so if I lost my job I have more mobility than others, but we don't value or reward education in this country anymore. Add the entitlement attitude and well college becomes a waste.
That is simply wrong!

With all of your schooling, your opportunity is limitless. The guy at the power plant is capped at union wages, and subject to the beatdown at the eventual time when the plant has to become competitive. At midlife, if you make too much you get whacked. As a doctor, at least you have some control over your destiny.

You will never convince me that college is a waste.

And it's funny to me to hear this refrain over and over again from people .... who have no idea. I grew up around working stiffs and I know what it's all about. There is absolutely nothing romantic about being Joe lunchbucket. I have far more freedom, far more disposable income, far more opportunities and far more toys than my parents and grandparents could ever hope to have ...

It seems to me that a lot of the people denigrating higher education and romanticizing the life of the working stiff have absolutely no experience with what it's like living that life. It sucks.

Like everything else that becomes colloquial pop wisdom, this whole "college sucks" movement is just as dumb.

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